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rocknrollover.com

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Since: Oct 12, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:57 am
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There are selfish breeders who will not allow you to enter the
bloodline.

You mention that you want a show puppy, Elizabeth Lane of Fort Worth
Texas, immediately trys to sell you the 8th or 9th pick from a litter.
If you tell her that you want to breed a female that you have. She
immediately states that she only breed champions.

How do you get started in a breed (Ridgebacks) if EVERY WAY she blocks
your entry!

How?

Is there a web site where you can report such unethical behavior?

Lance

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Marcel Beaudoin

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:49 pm
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potusmaker DeleteThis @yahoo.com (rocknrollover.com) wrote in
news:6b4451c4.0410120757.4f5835e6@posting.google.com:

> There are selfish breeders who will not allow you to enter the
> bloodline.

Awwww. Poor little puppymiller can't find a new stud???

> You mention that you want a show puppy,<snipped name>,
> immediately trys to sell you the 8th or 9th pick from a litter.
> If you tell her that you want to breed a female that you have. She
> immediately states that she only breed champions.
>
> How do you get started in a breed (Ridgebacks) if EVERY WAY she blocks
> your entry!

The first thing to do would be to take your female, enter her in dog
shows, and get her awarded a championship. Voila, you will then be able
to breed her to the male that you wanted.

> How?

Just in case you didn't get it the first paragraph above, and in all of
the previous responses your puppymilling ads have generated, here is what
you do.

1 - Take your female.
2 - Enter her in dog shows. (Note the use of the plural form of Dog Show,
indicating that more than one is necessary)
2a - Get her health tested. OFA, common genetic problems in Ridgebacks,
other common health problems for large dogs.
3 - Win Dog shows.
4 - Count points.
5 - Obtain Championship.
6 - Determine how your stud would compliment the bitch(es) you would like
to breed him to.
7 - Call breeder with bitch available.
8 - Explain to the breeder your breeding practices. Send pictures and,
ideally, a video showing your dog move. Send health certifications, proof
of registration (Does this exist, I am not sure??). Explain to the breeer
how your dog will compliment and improve her line.

> Is there a web site where you can report such unethical behavior?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

There is nothing unethical about this. Legally, she is not stopping you
from entering the breed. The puppies she has are *her* property. Thus,
she can do with them what she wants. She can sell them to whomever she
wants. She can also *not* sell them to whomever she wants.

Note that I am not a breeder, and I, in 5 minutes or so, managed to come
up with the above list of things you might want to consider. Other
breeders (if they haven't killfiled you yet) may step forward and try to
correct my musings (although I wouldn't bet on it).

--
Marcel and Moogli

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diannes

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:39 pm
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rocknrollover.com <potusmaker.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You mention that you want a show puppy, Elizabeth Lane of Fort Worth
> Texas, immediately trys to sell you the 8th or 9th pick from a litter.

:-) So how exactly how many people is she trying to sell the 8th and
9th show picks to?

> How do you get started in a breed (Ridgebacks) if EVERY WAY she blocks
> your entry!

Well, first you place that Dachshund puppy you've been trying to sell
through these newsgroups for months now. Next, among the four breeds
you've been advertising (Boston Terriers, Miniature Dachshunds,
Italian Greyhounds and Rhodesian Ridgebacks) you decide which of the
four you want to concentrate on. Spay and neuter all your pet-quality
dogs and develop a relationship with a good, responsible breeder who
is willing to sell you a good bitch on a co-ownership and mentor you.
It's pretty simple, really.

Oh yes - it also wouldn't hurt to remove all the copyrighted material
you've posted without attribution on your web site, and also statements
like these:

"Rock-n-rollover Kennel is open Monday thru Saturday, 9:00 am until
9:00 pm US CST. Puppies here, Puppies there, Puppies everywhere.
Click through and check out our Boston Terrier Puppies."

That just basically screams "puppy mill", know what I mean?

> Is there a web site where you can report such unethical behavior?

It's not unethical behavior. To the contrary, from what you've posted
it sounds like she may well be a very ethical breeder.

JFWIW,

Dianne
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Christy

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:15 pm
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<TOTE RemoveThis @dog-play.com> wrote in message news:2t2k2bF1qk37nU2@uni-berlin.de...

>
> That list barely scratches the surface of the responsible breeder. What
> about temperament testing? What about testing whether the dog has the
> basic instincts or behaviors characteristic of the breed? What about
> knowledge enough to support and mentor puppy buyers? What about
> contributing to the welfare of the breed by participating in health and
> genetics studies? There is a lot to contributing to the welfare of the
> breed and even what I've added is but a partial list.

Hey, give Marcel a break - he isn't a breeder, but he knows a bazillion
things more than this puppy peddler, even if he didn't cover everything.
He's learned an awful lot just by participating in discussions on the
groups. Some folks are educable, but this rollover guy doesn't appear to be
one of them...

Christy
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Melinda Shore

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:15 pm
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In article <rVgbd.533$jW1.291@trnddc02>,
Christy <easily.amused.RemoveThis@gtenospam.net> wrote:
>He's learned an awful lot just by participating in discussions on the
>groups.

My preference is to get stuff from the horse's (or in this
case, expert's) mouth. I also don't post advice when I know
there are people participating who have a lot more knowledge
than I do and who I can count on to contribute to the
thread, but each to his own, I guess.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - shore.RemoveThis@panix.com

73% of economists polled by "The Economist" magazine rate Bush's
first-term economic policies as "bad" or "very bad."
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Christy

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:07 pm
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"Melinda Shore" <shore DeleteThis @panix.com> wrote in message
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>
> My preference is to get stuff from the horse's (or in this
> case, expert's) mouth. I also don't post advice when I know
> there are people participating who have a lot more knowledge
> than I do and who I can count on to contribute to the
> thread, but each to his own, I guess.

Fair enough. I just appreciate that Marcel has displayed the ability to
learn from the various discussions, whereas the puppypeddler has indicated
none such ability, regardless of the quality of feedback he has received.

Christy
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Marcel Beaudoin

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:16 am
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TOTE.TakeThisOut@dog-play.com wrote in news:2t5nqlF1rijf2U1@uni-berlin.de:

> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:07:14 GMT Christy <easily.amused.TakeThisOut@gtenospam.net>
> whittled these words:
>> Fair enough. I just appreciate that Marcel has displayed the ability
>> to learn from the various discussions, whereas the puppypeddler has
>> indicated none such ability, regardless of the quality of feedback he
>> has received.
>
> I do too. The reason I felt the need to respond was that at least
> parts of it appeared to be a closed response i.e. he forgot the "this
> is a partial list that barely scratches the surface" caveat ... that's
> all.

But I did include something like that in the last paragraph. Not as clear
as I could have been, but it was something like that.

Marcel
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Marcel Beaudoin

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:17 am
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"Christy" <easily.amused RemoveThis @gtenospam.net> wrote in
news:rVgbd.533$jW1.291@trnddc02:

>
> <TOTE RemoveThis @dog-play.com> wrote in message
> news:2t2k2bF1qk37nU2@uni-berlin.de...
>
>>
>> That list barely scratches the surface of the responsible breeder.
>> What about temperament testing? What about testing whether the dog
>> has the basic instincts or behaviors characteristic of the breed?
>> What about knowledge enough to support and mentor puppy buyers? What
>> about contributing to the welfare of the breed by participating in
>> health and genetics studies? There is a lot to contributing to the
>> welfare of the breed and even what I've added is but a partial list.
>
> Hey, give Marcel a break - he isn't a breeder, but he knows a
> bazillion things more than this puppy peddler, even if he didn't cover
> everything. He's learned an awful lot just by participating in
> discussions on the groups. Some folks are educable, but this rollover
> guy doesn't appear to be one of them...

I didn't read that as being directed at me. I read that as completing
(partially) to the (very short) list that I included.

Marcel
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:18 am
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shore RemoveThis @panix.com (Melinda Shore) wrote in news:ckk67v$cki$1
@panix2.panix.com:

> In article <rVgbd.533$jW1.291@trnddc02>,
> Christy <easily.amused RemoveThis @gtenospam.net> wrote:
>>He's learned an awful lot just by participating in discussions on the
>>groups.
>
> My preference is to get stuff from the horse's (or in this
> case, expert's) mouth. I also don't post advice when I know
> there are people participating who have a lot more knowledge
> than I do and who I can count on to contribute to the
> thread, but each to his own, I guess.

This yahoo is starting to annoy me, and this was my (rather petty, TBH)
attempt at venting without using words that I wouldn't want my mother to
hear.

Marcel
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