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Suja

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:24 am
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Our beloved vet who was much liked and trusted, has moved, and it looks
like we'll have to start with a new vet and vet practice. Khan is due
for his annual physical, which is typically when they'll want to
administer his DHPP. Given that we had no history on him, I did have
him on a yearly booster protocol, but now that he has had them 3 years
in a row, had talked to the prior vet about doing titers instead.

Have to start from scratch with the new vet, and need convincing info
that yearly vaccines are not necessary. I thought that the ACVM put out
a revised vaccine protocol, but can't find it. What I was able to find
are protocols used by university hospitals (like UPenn) that supports my
stand, but also says that you should rely on your vet to develop a
protocol that is suitable for your dog. Help!

Suja

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:53 am
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Depends on the state. I found Texas on the department of health site.

Dang - I know I had looked up the actual study. There is a "puppy mill"
site (sorry) that actually has the who Academy study on it.... But I can't
believe that I did not save it.

I take it there is no way to get the records from the old vet?

"Suja" wrote in message

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> Our beloved vet who was much liked and trusted, has moved, and it looks
> like we'll have to start with a new vet and vet practice. Khan is due
> for his annual physical, which is typically when they'll want to
> administer his DHPP. Given that we had no history on him, I did have
> him on a yearly booster protocol, but now that he has had them 3 years
> in a row, had talked to the prior vet about doing titers instead.
>
> Have to start from scratch with the new vet, and need convincing info
> that yearly vaccines are not necessary. I thought that the ACVM put out
> a revised vaccine protocol, but can't find it. What I was able to find
> are protocols used by university hospitals (like UPenn) that supports my
> stand, but also says that you should rely on your vet to develop a
> protocol that is suitable for your dog. Help!
>
> Suja
>

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Suja

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:08 pm
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shelly wrote:

> i'm not sure why you'd "need" it, as it's up to you whether or
> not your dog is vaccinated. i've yet to be second guessed by
> a vet on my vaccination choices, even for my old cats who get
> *no* vax. i just go in and tell them exactly what i want and
> they go pokey-pokey, it'll be this much, thanks and have a
> nice day.

Well, the vet practice comes highly recommended, and I really liked all
the people I've met so far, but I haven't met the vet yet. Some vets
can be really old fashioned and I'm not sure what this particular one is
like. I don't want her to think that I'm pulling this out my ass,
'cause they're much less likely to give you grief if they realize that
you may have actually done research. Generally speaking, I ask them
what they think of something first, and have discussions based on their
responses. I don't know enough to do their job (in general), and do
take their feedback into account before making decisions.

Suja
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Gwen Watson

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 12:08 pm
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Suja wrote:

> I don't know enough to do their job (in general), and do
> take their feedback into account before making decisions.
>
> Suja

Which IMO is generally a very good idea. After all they
are the ones that have gone to school.

I too prefer to take information gathered and then have
a general discussion.

Around here many people can take the approach of
walking in the door requesting only this vaccine or that
and refusing others.


But my comfort zone
forces me to want to talk about it. Just
as *if* I were diagnosed with cancer I would
want to educate myself and then talk in an educated
manner about all of my options.

Gwen
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Melanie L Chang

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:52 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:15 pm
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In rec.pets.dogs.behavior Suja wrote:

> Our beloved vet who was much liked and trusted, has moved, and it looks
> like we'll have to start with a new vet and vet practice. Khan is due
> for his annual physical, which is typically when they'll want to
> administer his DHPP. Given that we had no history on him, I did have
> him on a yearly booster protocol, but now that he has had them 3 years
> in a row, had talked to the prior vet about doing titers instead.

> Have to start from scratch with the new vet, and need convincing info
> that yearly vaccines are not necessary.

Why did you choose this particular vet? I want my vet to keep up to date
on such stuff on their own. That is a big reason I did choose mine. If
were looking for a new vet I'd look for one that didn't need any
convincing in that area. Three years ago - yes - some convincing would
have been OK, but not today.

Diane Blackman
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Suja

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:15 pm
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TOTE.DeleteThis@dog-play.com wrote:

> Why did you choose this particular vet?

Actually, I chose the practice, not a particular vet because
a) they were recommended to me by someone whose judgment I trust
b) they were recommended to me by someone who volunteers with one of the
local rescues which uses their services
c) they were recommended to me by members of the rescue group I'm a part of
d) I visited them on no notice and they were quite happy to accommodate
me and give me a tour
e) the staff I met were very nice, listened well when I spoke to them
about Khan's issues, took notes (funny, I thought - "best responds when
vet is matter of fact, does not coddle and uses body language to
indicate they're not a threat"), and recommended the vet there they
thought would be the best fit
f) they are one of the VERY few vets in the area who'd do home euths
g) they're *very* rescue friendly.

> I want my vet to keep up to date
> on such stuff on their own. That is a big reason I did choose mine.

I would be happy if she were, but if I were to keep that as a criterion,
it'd be pretty close to impossible to find one.

> were looking for a new vet I'd look for one that didn't need any
> convincing in that area. Three years ago - yes - some convincing would
> have been OK, but not today.

Maybe it is an East-West Coast difference, but I know of absolutely NO
regular vets who recommend the modified protocol. And believe me, I've
talked to at least a dozen vet practices in this area. The ones that do
are holistic vets, and are either too far away for me to go to them for
routine stuff or don't do routine stuff.

Suja
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Gwen Watson

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:15 pm
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Suja wrote:

> Maybe it is an East-West Coast difference, but I know of absolutely NO
> regular vets who recommend the modified protocol. And believe me, I've
> talked to at least a dozen vet practices in this area. The ones that do
> are holistic vets, and are either too far away for me to go to them for
> routine stuff or don't do routine stuff.
>
> Suja

Suja
I am almost certain it is. And mark Texas down for being possibly being
10 years behind the West coast and possibly 7 behind the East.

Gwen
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Abby Pennington

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:43 am
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> I want to do a titer for a couple of different reasons. The first is
> my peace of mind, because his vaccine history as a puppy is completely
> unknown, and I'm assuming that the studies are always done on dogs
> with known history.

Suja, you do know that titres are not shown to be a reliable source of
levels of immunity for dogs, right? It just shows the levels of antibody
in the blood at the time of the blood draw. This is why many
practitioners do not accept them as a valid means of "proving" immunity
right now. Just not enough studies to show what exactly titres are
telling us, if anything at all. IMO, and this is *just* MO, every three
years is a good protocol, and titres are not particularly needed.


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-Abby

Pems, Aussie, and a Pug

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