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diddy

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(Msg. 46) Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:45 pm
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Rocky <3dogs RemoveThis @rocky-dog.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
news:Fri99B97B0C44658australianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com:

> "savshocktroop@yahoo.com" <savshocktroop RemoveThis @yahoo.com> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
>
>> I think if they are brought inside as
>> puppies and you teach them the right way to behave in the
>> house that they will be ok inside.
>
> I'm not sure why this is a point and why you differentiate so
> much between inside vs. outside upbringing.
>

I think because I brought up that they were outside dogs based on the
callouses on the elbows of the bitch, and I had so much to say about them not
being suitably bred for the average pet dog owner. Meaning, they would have
too much drive for the pet owner who wanted a couch decoration. They should
not be sold as pets to someone not committed to give them a job. I hope they
DO live in the house. But I think they misunderstood that these pups were not
BRED to be couch decorations, and one of the criteria in selling to homes is
a owner that will DO something with the dog.. and not just casually.

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(Msg. 47) Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:17 pm
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In article <Xns99B99AD4CE4D0taragreen2verizonnet.TakeThisOut@130.81.64.196>,
Tara <nothanks.TakeThisOut@verizon.not> wrote:
>From his description, I didn't get at ALL that there was too much drive
>for these dogs to be placed in pet homes. Rather I got that no one had
>ever put time and effort into training the female to live any other way,
>and so she was relegated to living in a kennel because she counter surfs
>when indoors.

That's what I understood from his posts, too.
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Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - shore.TakeThisOut@panix.com

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

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(Msg. 48) Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:45 pm
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"savshocktroop@yahoo.com" <savshocktroop RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1190988040.060722.173020@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> This is my first litter and I am learning
> as I go along.
>

Honestly, if this is how you view it, this should be your last litter as
well.

While responsible breeders learn and adjust according to what they find out
about each litter they've produced, this is at a level way beyond what you
are talking about.

Breeding is *not* a "learning as you go along" endeavore. Certainly not to
the degree you mean here. There is an emormous amount of existing
information about breeding that already exists out there. The baseline of
information gathering doesn't beging with a working uterous.

Please....spay your female, join some Mali clubs, learn about responsible
breeding practices, get a breeding mentor, and study and learn BEFORE your
next breeding.

Tara
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(Msg. 49) Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:45 pm
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Tara <nothanks RemoveThis @verizon.not> wrote in
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> endeavore

I've decided that this is the British spelling.

No....really.

Tara
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:45 pm
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:45 pm
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montana wildhack <montana.TakeThisOut@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote in
news:2007092816264975249-montana@wildhackcominvalid:

> On 2007-09-28 15:38:06 -0400, Tara <nothanks.TakeThisOut@verizon.not> said:
>
>> uterous
>
> Would this be the French spelling? You have a very international
> spell-chucker.
>
>

Yes. It would ;-)

I swear, I'm either getting senile, or my internet posting habits have
rendered me completely unable to spell!

I'm leaning towards senility.


Tara
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(Msg. 52) Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:45 am
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HOWEDY mary healey, my MOST FAVORITE
Professional OBEDIENCE TRAINER,

"Mary Healey" <mhhealey.RemoveThis@iastate.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns99B68FFD07ADCamesnatlzooyahoocom@130.133.1.4...
> Rocky <3dogs.RemoveThis@rocky-dog.com> wrote in
> news:Fri99B683F4EFC23australianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com:
>
>> ceb <ceb4v.RemoveThis@nospam.virginia.edu> said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
>>
>>> Why performance, necessarily? Or maybe I should ask, what
>>> do you mean by performance other than agility or other dog
>>> sports?
>>
>> I mentioned agility, Schutzhund, obedience, and conformation
>> as examples already (yes, even conformation because it
>> requires the owner to get out their and do something with
>> their dog).

Oh, matty means STUFF that can be done in conjunction
with the five minutes of the Four Step HEELIN Pattern
EXXXORCISE done every other or every 3rd day for
OBEDIENCE TRAININ recommended in "The
UNMENTIONABLE WON'S" 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW
Wits' End Training Method Manual <{}: ~ ) >

> I developed an appreciation for conformation
> after my last stewarding stint.

Well then, mary, you've got more EXXXPERIENCE in
the CONFORMATION ring than everyWON here put
together, other than and EXXXCEPT of CURSE, for
"The UNMENTIONABLE WON" <{}: ~ ) >

> Watching dogs that were well-prepared and those
> that were not well-prepared really demonstrated
> the importance of getting "pretty puppy" dogs out
> in the world and confident under new circumstances.

That's curiHOWES, mary. Trainin for the conformation ring
is STANDARD PROCEEDURE in the OBEDIENCE and
PROTECTION TRAININ as taught in "The UNMENTIONABLE
WON'S" 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method
Manual <{}: ~ ) >

If you'll notice, the STAND command is always follHOWED
by "stand straight", whereby the dog is taught to set hisself up
on his own as they do in the conformation ring. The REASON
for doin so is EXXXPLAINED in the text. It's all part an parcel
of the RELAXXXATION TECHNIQUE as well as DIGNIFYIN
the dog an givin IT the APPEARANCE of actually BEIN, a well
trained critter <{}: ~ ) >

It's more than just for FUN, it's likeWIZE, FUNctional <{}: ~ ) >

Besides enjoyin trainin your dog to stand and autoMAGICKALLY
set hisself up *as opposed to as in the OBEDIENCE RING where
althHOWE the dog IS required to STAND an STAY, the METHOD
whereby the dog is CAUSED to STAND is helter skelter, herin it is
PRESCRIBED in the METHOD *(insetad of coincidentally done in
between judgin segments) as part of his COMMANDS an SERVES
A FUNction of bein able to ASK your dog to stand and stay WHILE
IN MOTION, as is TRAINED with the DOWN on heel and RECALL.

Additionally, it makes it particulary EZ to deamonstrate your
dog, say, for veterinary EXXXAMS as well. Additionally, in
the recent score of years we've actually been finding a *TREND*
amongst CONFORMATION JUDGES who PREFER watching
dogs move on a LOOSE LEAD an lookin NATURAL instead of
STRUNG UP and BAITED <{}: ~ ) >

NUTHIN impresses the CONFORMATION judges more
than observin a well trained dog NATURALLY prancin
through the patterns with his head neck an tail arched
correctly lookin straight ahead instead of bein strung up
like a hanged man at the end of a noose with his head
twisted up as if his neck was BROKEN when he was
HANGED, lookin up at his "TRAINER'S" face for that
ubiquitHOWES piece of liver they usually carry between
their lips... an when "The UNMENTIONABLE WON'S"
STUDENTS come to present their doggy for EXXXAM
in front of the judge, instead of standin next to the dog
fumblin to set IT up an tryin to stay HOWETA the judges
view of the dog *(or seemingly INTENTIONALLY
BLOCKING) his view of their dog's weak points, The
UNMENTIONABLE WON'S STUDENTS are able to
use their silent hand and foot signals to command their
dog to STAND an SET HISSELF UP NATURALLY
as they step past their dog to the end of ITS leash an
stand next to the judge an serruptitiHOWESLY whisper
into his ear "NHOWE AIN'T THAT the MOST FREAKIN
BEEEAUTIFUL dog you seen in here today"!

Oh, hey mary? HOWE'S THIS for FREAKIN BEEEAUTIFUL?:

HOWEDY mary you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal murderin professional dog trainin FRAUD
an SCAM ARTIST,

Mary Healey wrote:
> Paula <mmmtoblerone.RemoveThis@earthlink.ent> wrote :
>
> > with walking both together on the first walk around the
> > neighborhood... That's a lot of not good ideas for as
> > little time as you've had Briar.
>
> Hmmm. I beg to differ. With both Ranger and Duke,

Both Ranger and Duke had life long heelth temperament and
behavior problems and died from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASES aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >

<SNIP>

> >...You could have been hurt and you could also have lost both dogs.
>
> Well, that's a fair point. And walking two dogs
> who are at very different "politeness points"

BWEEEAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!!

"Politeness points"???

THAT'S SHEER IDIOCY, mary.

> on the leash-walking spectrum can be an
> interesting exercise in communication.

INDEED?

> As for Briar pulling like a freight train,

You mean, like your own dog Sam, mary?

> and not minding being choked

What makes you think dogs 'DON'T MIND BEING CHOKED", mary?

> -- Don't Let Him DO That.

You mean, jerk and choke IT somemore?

> For greatest clarity, working him alone is probably best.
> I've dealt with it "in company", as it were, but it isn't
> nearly as efficient as one-on-one.

That's ABSURD. Dogs learn BEAST from WATCHIN EACH OTHER.

> (Even when you get a dog walking nicely on leash on his own,
> don't be surprised if you have to make a few corrections

You mean, jerk an choke IT somemore.

> or adjustments when you add another dog or circumstances change.)

You mean like when a dog cat squirrel or car passes bye, mary?

> You don't need a special collar, or halter, or whatever.
> The key to getting a dog to stop pulling is to not let
> them start pulling. Which sounds completely supid, but
> it's true.

STUPID is your SPECIALTY ain't it, mary.

HOWEVer, TRUTH AIN'T.

> Let's see if I can make this brief. Dogs pull to go somewhere.

NO. Dogs PULL to ESCAPE BEING CHOKED.

> If pulling always results in the dog NOT going anywhere,

You mean GETTIN CHOKED, mary <{}: ~ ( >

> then going somewhere (on a loose leash) is a reward.

Naaah?

> This is where the "make like a tree" (when the leash
> tightens, you stop moving) advice comes in.

Yeah. HOWEver, IT NEVER WORKS:

"Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:

No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.

Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..

She learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.

Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.

I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.

I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..

we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.

She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.

One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.

two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.

And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..

actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.

She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.

She also does her commands on cue..
and doesn't look for a treat.

---------------------

> As far as it goes, it's fine.

BWEEEEHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!!

> Dogs accustomed to pushing into their collar think
> being half-choked is how walks are supposed to be.

NO mary. Dogs bein CHOKED is HOWE COME they ESCAPE
your SHOCK FENCES and won't return, JUST LIKE abused
children, mary <{); ~ ) >

> They've been *trained* to accept oxygen
> deprivation as a normal part of their daily walk.

THAT'S INSANE, mary.

> With dogs like this, it may not be enough to stop forward
> progress and wait for the dog to put slack in the leash.

BWEEEAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

> You have to MAKE slack in the leash.

INDEED? Oh, you mean JUST LIKE HOWE it's TAUGHT
in your own FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog, Child, Kat, Ferret, Goat, Monkey, SpHOWES And
Horsey Training Method Manual <{}: ~ ) >

> It can go something like this: leash goes taut, you stop,
> dog ignores you and continues to put pressure on the leash.
> Stalemate. So, you say the dog's name, or make an interesting
> noise, or do *something* to put slack in the leash AND show
> the dog that walking and a cessation of pressure on his neck
> are related. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

Hey mary? Is that your FINAL ANSWER?

You may want to CONsult a FRIEND pryor to
makin your FINAL DECISION <{): ~ ) >

BWEEEEEEEEAAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!

> This can be another situation where a
> "watch me"command comes in super handy.

INDEED?

O.K., mary. LET'S WATCH YOU!:

"Sam ate the complete works of Charles Dickens, a heating pad,
a brand new pair of glasses, a baggie full of metal staples,
and a 3'x3' chunk of the kitchen linoleum. And the plugs off
many of the electrical appliances. And various personal bits
out of every pair of jeans and underwear I possessed."

> Ever do anything with these dogs
> except encourage them to reproduce?

You mean, like CHASE CARS, mary?:

"Sam started chasing cars at 10 weeks and never did stop."

Maybe you got a case of the cobbler's shoeless kids,
eh PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINER mary?:

"I use him as a demonstration dog in obedience classes.
Sam started chasing cars at 10 weeks and never did stop."

"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"

> > these pups are all fully wormed, these pups are
> > selling for only $100.00 each. this is are 9th.

Well you can't beat that with a stick, can you, mary.
At least as far as a GOOD FAMILY PET Pit Bull, eh?

> > litter and we have sold all! are dogs. we have
> > sold over 75# dogs!

> How many owners are you still in contact with?

Let's talk abHOWET your own dogs, mary?:

"I use him as a demonstration dog in obedience classes.
Sam started chasing cars at 10 weeks and never did stop."

"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"

Sam is why I'm "allergic" to puppies, but also why I
adore obnoxious adolescent dawgs. I dragged him to
obedience class when he was 6 months old, he dragged
me to obedience class (and agility class, and clicker
training class, and seminars, and show-n-gos, and fun
matches) for the next 4 years.

The world is a safer place now for dirty underwear and
plastic baggies.

I can go back to leaving the laundry basket on the floor.
And the trash cans. And I can remove my watch and set it
down without finding bits of its little crystal carcass in
Sam's crate. I won't have to flush Sam out from under the
dinner table, or eat with hot dogbreath steaming up my leg.

ANZ Sam-I-Am -- half ACD, all dog.

MHH

"I use him as a demonstration dog in obedience classes.
Sam started chasing cars at 10 weeks and never did stop."

"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"

Heck, I still have an ACD who adores all people (also
not "normal" breed behavior!), but he's very breed-
typical in his attempts to control and "police" the
behavior of other dogs.

"I use him as a demonstration dog in obedience classes.
Sam started chasing cars at 10 weeks and never did stop."

Left to his own devices, he'd be picking fights and
bossing everydoggy. That's why he's not left to his
own devices.

That's why he's not left to his own devices.

I wouldn't take Ranger to a dog park.

I have let him off lead, but only to play fetch
(he's ball obsessed) and never with strange dogs
around.

He can be a gentleman, but I can't depend on it."

Ooooooh! SCARY, ain't it!

You mean on accHOWENT of YOU GOT THE SAME PROBLEM
the original poster was askin for ADVICE abHOWET.

You gonna tell us HOWE you managed to EXXXPERTLY
PROFESSIONALLY TRAIN your own fear aggressive dogs
to be FEAR AGGRESSIVE when you ain't standin there
ready and able to HURT and INTIMIDATE them someMOORE?

On accHOWENT of her EXXXPERTLY PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED
DOG WILL RUN HOWET ON HER and would NEVER return JUST
LIKE HOWE dra linda aka tallgrass's St. Bernard jumped
her six foot fence and ESCAPED <{); ~ ) >

On accHOWENT of YOU GOT THE SAME PROBLEM the original
poster was ASKING for ADVICE, REMEMBER mary <{); ~ ) >

Subject: Re: Car Chasin' Dog

HOWEDY mary,

"Mary H Healey" <mhhea....RemoveThis@iastate.edu> wrote in message
news:41E68BA0.6050908@iastate.edu...

> ella wrote:
> > Any thoughts on how to convince an otherwise
> > well trained dog NOT to chase cars.

Yeah. That's EZ if you know HOWE.

> You've had some good advice

That so, mary? The only ADVICE she was given
was to REWARD the BAD BEHAVIOR with treats
and to choke and intimidate the dog someMOORE.

REMEMBER mary, you miserable dog abusing mental case?

> (incompatible behavior,

That won't EXXXTINGUISH the behavior, mary,
that's what you do when you CAN'T TRAIN the
dog NOT to DO the behavior, mary.

> "leave it",

You mean jerk and choke IT while SCREAMIN "LEAVE IT"
like HOWE your pal taragreen2 was fixin to teach us
pryor to getin CHOKED UP.

> prong collar, etc.),

You mean when regular jerking and choking
on your slip choke collar don't HURT and
INTIMDIATE the dog ENOUGH to make IT
respect your AUTHORITY, mary?

> and I've used most of them,

INDEEDY. THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard SEZ: "DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE
abHOWETS."

REMEMBER mary, you dog abusing mental case?

> but the simplest "fix" I've used is to simply
> put myself between the dog and the traffic.

You mean a barrier. Ever heard of BARRIER
FRUSTRATION SYNDROME, mary? You could
make yourself the stimuli that TRIGGERS the
BAD BEHAVIOR if you're the BARRIER behind
which the dog dog barks. It only takes a few
repetitions to train ANY dog to bark as soon
as the BARRIER is presented, if we CONDITION
the dog to BARK EVERY TIME the barrier is in
place... so, WON missed opportunity will TRAIN
the dog to bark at ANY THING if you're standin
in front of IT to AVOID the BAD BEHAVIOR.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!

> If you're walking with the flow of cars on your left,

The dog will bolt and pull her into the traffic.

> have the dog walk to your right, no more than
> a body length ahead or behind you.

You mean, CONfHOWEND the dog's heel command?

> Don't expect him to grow out of this behavior.

RIGHT. You can TRAIN the dog not to do
that in a couple minutes, IOW, NEARLY
INSTANTLY, maybe faster if you know HOWE.
But the dog AIN'T GONNA HOWEtgrHOWE the
VISUAL ORAL REFLEX, mary.

THAT has to be DECONDITIONED, mary.

LUCKY THING dogs are CREATURES OF HABIT
and therefore CAN BE TRAINED NEARLY INSTANTLY.

AIN'T IT, mary, you miserable stinkin university
educated dog abusing mental case?

> My Sam, bless his pointy ears,

You mean your Sam whom you jerk
and choke and lock in a box, mary.

> started chasing cars at 10 weeks and never did stop.

Well then mary, you're just the WON to ADVISE US
HOWE to TRAIN HOWER dogs NOT to DO THAT.

Just start by tellin us HOWE you handled and trained
your little doggy Sam since DAY WON and we'll know
what NOT to do to MAKE dogs FEAR AGGRESSIVE
of passing cars, eh mary?

> He'd chase 'em from inside my car,

On accHOWENT of you couldn't jerk and choke
IT EVERY TIME on accHOWENT of you was busy
DRIVING, therebye VARIABLY REINFORCING the
BAD BEHAVIOR EVERY TIME you FAILED TO HURT
and INTIMDATE HIM in a timely manner.

THAT'S HOWE COME AVERSIVES DO NOT TRAIN DOGS,
mary, you dog abusing mental case.

> along the road, wherever, whenever.

Any time you rely on PAIN FEAR FORCE BRIBERY
and INTIMIDATION and FAIL to HURT INTIMIDATE
or successfully BRIBE the dog to AVOID a behavior
of the cunning domestic puppy dog you ain't got the
INTELLECT to HOWEtwit, you've VARIABLY RE-
ENFORCED the BAD BEHAVIOR.

> He did learn to control himself,

That so? You mean so long as you could throw
yourself in front of and between your dog and
an oncommin ANY THING, mary.

> but almost every long walk would have him
> diving at the wheels of some poor unsuspecting
> vehicle.

"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"

ANY behavior that's CONSISTENT PREDICTABLE
and REPEATABLE is EZ to EXXXTINGUISH NEARLY
INSTANTLY if we DON'T DO what you done to your
poor miserable abused dog Sammy since DAY WON
you miserable dog abusing mental case.

> It was always most likely when he was a little tired.

That so?

"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"

> Of course, that's also when I was likely
> to be a little tired, so maybe it was more
> my reaction time

"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"

You mean, you didn't HURT and INTIMIDATE
your little dog Sammy in time to EXXXTINGUISH
the behavior from DAY WON, eh mary?

> than his self-control that frayed a bit.

"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"

You're a mental case, mary. If the dog
learned SELF CON-TROLL you wouldn't
have to THROW YOURSELF IN FRONT
of your dog when it makes an ATTACK.

> YMMV,

"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"

You mean she MIGHT GET LUCKY and
CURE the problem by doin what you done
to CAUSE the problem, mary? Is that SANE?

> no warranty, etc.

"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"

You can't post here abHOWETS nodoGgamened
MOORE you miserable dog abusing punk thug
coward and active long term incurable university
trained MENTAL CASE.

> Damn, I miss that dog.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!

HOWEDY mary,

Mary Healey wrote:
> "buzzsaw" <t-tye.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> > In fact the only thing that really brings out the beast
> > in this dog that I have seen so far is squirells he goes
> > absolutely nuts and I have to restrain with all my might.
>
> Heh. I never did break Sam of that.

That and car chasing or dog aggression or any other
behavior you've never been able to train, eh mary?
But that never taught you to TRY SUMPTHIN DIFFERENT
because you ain't got the intellect to outwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog. Heh, heh, mary.

> Maybe because I found it amusing.

That so? You must be a very funny professional
dog trainer after TEN YEARS of NOT BEING ABLE
to STOP LAUGHING at your own dog bolting to
chase cars and squirrels.

> > ... I went wide around him onto the grass

That'll alert both dogs to become SUSPICIOUS.

> > maybe 10 ft from him and his dog as we passed,

I move dog aggressive dogs to 3' from their sides
and continue straight past each other and continue
ten ft beyond the cross point and REVERSE and DO
IT AGAIN till the AGGRESSION is EXXXTINGUISHED in
just a few minutes.

> > Max was good up until the point that we passed

RIGHT. That's the point where the handler must praise
and make the decision to continue forward or reverse
and do it again till extinguishment.

> > and he lunged at him and bark excessively.

If they blow up at the point where they're both even
with the other dog we continue moving forward. If they
break pryor to coming up on the other dog we reverse
and go ten feet and reverse again and do it over till
we can pass on a 10'X3' path till the aggression stops
then we sit the dogs back to back at the point where
they passed each other and do a couple exercises to
provoke them to make another aggressive move and repeat
the process till extinction.

Takes minutes to break fear aggression in ANY dog so
long as you AIN'T JERKIN and CHOKING and THREATENING.

> > I corrected with a "leave it" and pulled him away.

Yeah, that INCREASES ANXIETY and CAUSES AGGRESSION
just like HOWE giving a "leave it" command CAUSES
dogse to STEAL POISON soon as they think their handler
CAN'T HURT THEM in time to STOP the BAD BEHAVIOR.

As a PROFESSIONAL TRAINER, you're a FRAUD, mary.

> With a dog Max's size,

You mean a BIG dog you can't HURT and INTIDMIATE
like you could your own dog Sam who couldn't be
broken of chasing cars squirrels kats other dogs
or any other behavior problems you've NEVER been
able to consistently train ANY dog to do or not.

> a dog that can't walk past another dog and remain calm,

Like your dog Sam who couldn't walk past a squirrel
or a passing car, mary? Do you REALLY think your
ADVICE is worthwhile for ANY similar behavior?

> I'd have him sit/stay and keep him focused on me

Yeah, but THAT NEVER WORKS.

> ("watch me")

OR YOU'LL HURT HIM somemore.

> while the other dog walked by.

Or you'll jerk and choke him and throw
your body between them like you done to
Sam for ten years for chasin cars, mary.

> The important part of this is to

NOT FOLLOW YOUR EXAMPLE, mary.

> make sure the other dog does not
> interfere with Max in ANY way -

timmy doesn't even have CON-TROLL of his
own dog just like HOWE you didn't have
CON-TROLL of your own dog Sam for ten
years with the same problem.

>- no sniffing, no "he's friendly", nothing.

BWEEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHHAHHA!!!

You think IGNORING the other dog is gonna train
your dog not to be afraid, like HOWE you tried
for ten years with your own dog Sam, mary?:

HOWEDY mary you miserable lying dog abusing fraud,

Mary Healey wrote:
> davebo42.RemoveThis@rtccom.net wrote in news:1120751338.003117.206900
> @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > we have aprox. 6# pitbull puppies 4 sale. parents on
> > site. great markings.
>
> Y'know, the first question I have when looking for a puppy
> is not "what color should I get"?

The Amazing Puppy Wizard usually picks color first.

HOWE else are you gonna eliminate all the nice prospects?

> > ... no they are not registered but, all parents are on site.

Good. Home bred pups, raised with children, no DHOWET <{); ~ ) >

> Forget registration,

He sez he AIN'T GOT registration. The Amazing Puppy
Wizard don't care abHOWET registrations unless HE'S
fixin to BREED the dog for SHOWE puppies <{); ~ ) >

But HE don't SELL PUPPIES to dog abusers like you, mary.

> are the sire and dam tested for heritable genetic problems?

You mean like hemangiosarcoma?

You got 2 DEAD DOGS and a DEAD KAT from hemangiosarcoma.

You think it's CONtagiHOWES or do you THINK IT MIGHT be
a STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE of the micro epethilieal
cells aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{); ~ ) >

Here's a couple EXXXCERPTS from your own posted CASE HISTORY:

"My 13-year old cat is going strong, even with no teeth
and some kidney damage that requires sub-q fluids a couple
times a week. My 7-year old cat is dead, because of kidney
damage that didn't respond to hydration.

I've got a cat with a liver problem. That much was known
from his symptoms (weight loss) and blood work. The steroid
treatment (prednisolone) he received for the symptoms at
initial presentation would have messed up the treatment
for the underlying cause - if the underlying cause was liver
cancer. It wasn't, thank goodness, but he had 3 chemotherapy
treatments before we got that part figured out.

Sam and Noah both died from what seems like the same kind
of aggressive, super-nasty cancer (hemangiosarcoma).

Because Gareth's treatments were much more expensive than
I'd anticipated, among other reasons, when Sam was injured
in a scrap with Ranger I chose to treat him at home - without
veterinary care. Cost *was* a consideration. He lost part
of one ear, with the usual impressive spattering of gore.

Do you think I deliberately allowed Sam to suffer? Was what
I did (or didn't do) neglect? His ear healed cleanly, but
that wasn't apparent at the time.

> If so, where could I find verification of that?

He SEZ he AIN'T GOT no registrations. He's got EXXXCELLENT
PET Pit Bull Puppies that DON'T FIGHT and DON'T DROP DEAD
from cancer like your critters seem to have a BAD HABIT of
doin, mary.

> > the dad, hanabal is a very impresive dog.

No DHOWET.

> > one of the best watch dogs i,ve ever owned!

EXXXCELLENT. All the QUALITIES of a FAMILY PET.

> > he is really something else!

INDEEDY.

> Well, he ain't breed-standard

You mean on accHOWENT of he DON'T FIGHT like your dogs, mary?:

"when Sam was injured in a scrap with Ranger I chose to treat
him at home - without veterinary care. Cost *was* a consideration.
He lost part of one ear, with the usual impressive spattering of
gore."

> if he's a good watch dog,

You mean you don't think dogs NATURALLY protect their families?

> so you're absolutely right.

Probably so, mary.

> He is something other than a good pit. Not sure why
> you'd perpetuate an incorrect temperament?

You mean on accHOWENT of his dogs DON'T FIGHT like yours?

> > bulky! with block head.

> What's the brain in that block head like?

-------------------------------

NOT TO WORRY mary, that BLOCKHEAD BRAIN
can HOWEtwit you or ANY PROFESSIONAL TRAINER
or university trained behaviorist from THREE WEEKS OF
AGE <{}: ~ ) >

And when your head stops spinnin, The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy And Horsey Wizard sincerely wishes you and yours happy,
heelthful days, FOREVER <{}; ~ ) >

I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
G-R-A-N-D
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey,
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU?
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On Sep 29, 1:53 pm, DelusionalDimensionsRecovery... DeleteThis @i-love-dogs.com
wrote:
> HOWEDY savshocktroop A.K.A. Jeannie & Eric
>
> On Sep 28, 10:00 am, "savshocktr...@yahoo.com"
>
> > <savshocktr... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 25, 10:24 am, diddy <none> wrote:>
>
> > > Shelly <she... DeleteThis @cat-sidh.net> spoke these words of
> > > wisdom innews:fdarbv$p5n$...@registered.motzarella.org:
>
> > > > savshocktr... DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Welcome to Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
> Research Laboratory. I'm Jerry Howe, Director Of Research,
> a.k.a., The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
> Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret,
> Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard <{}: ~ ) >
>
> Here's my website:http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
>
> There you will find ALL the FREE information you need to
> pupperly handle raise and train your pets and family. Just
> ASK if you need any additional FREE HEELP <{}: ~ ) >
>
> > > >> We are haveing a litter of Belgian Malinois
> > > >> that should be here in the middle of october,
>
> CONGRATULATIONS! Cigars are in order! Smoke'm if
> you got 'em. If you ain't got 'm, GET'M <{}: ~ ) >
>
> > > >> visit our web site at Southernmals.com for more information.
>
> Just done that. IN FACT, I been studyin it and watched the
> videos and read the links for several HOWERS <{}: ~ ) >
>
> > > > Space here is free. If you are going to advertise your
> > > > litter in this venue, you could at least provide a little
> > > > bit of information *here*.
>
> Ahhh, I see you've met HOWER Gang Of Pathetic Miserable Stinkin
> Lyin Animal Murdering Punk Thug Coward Active Accute Chronic
> Life Long Incurable Maligant MENTAL CASES <{}: ~ ( >
>
> They're FRAUDS, LIARS COWARDS and MENTAL CASES, Eric & Jeannie.
> You'll SEE that as I reply to some of their posts with EXXXXCERPTS
> from their own POSTED CASE HISTORIES. These gutless cowards won't
> even DEFEND themselves but they'll quickly and in unison advise you
> to NOT BELIEVE THEIR OWN WRITTEN WORDS and to KILLFILE the ONLY
> poster here who's got MORE FIELD EXXXPERIENCE raising training and
> handling dogs than the whold damned bunch of them put together<{}: ~
> ( >
>
> shelly was the first mental case to reply to your announcement.
> She's an obsessive compulsive anorexic who's dog suffers from
> anorexia nervosa by proxy <{}: ~ ( >
>
> > > I guess because there is nothing special there to look at either.
>
> And the second reply was from diddler, a self professed
> professional SAR dog trainer and backyard puppy miller
> who's own posted case history will TELL ALL <{}: ~ ( >
>
> > > Mediocre conformed dogs of average looks.
>
> Evidently diddler has no familiarity with the Malinois
> or European pedigrees. Her own dogs are genetically
> defective and hyperactive dismal failures <{}: ~ ( >
>
> > > On the sires side, The sire seems to have had a fairly
> > > impressive performance career for as youn as he is, and
> > > definitely shows trainability to the purpose for which
> > > he is bred.
>
> Just wait till I repost diddler's own POSTED CASE HISTORY
> detailing her own dog's "TRAINABILITY to the puporse for
> which he is bred" BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAAA!~!~!
>
> > > His Dam's record, is however very weak. And he's too
> > > young to have completed his health testing yet,
>
> INDEEDY! And it is for that puporse and that you are new
> pet professionals that I forgoe posting diddler's own
> posted case history, Eric & Jeannie. You've been lied to
> and misled by the beast in the business who'll DO an SAY
> ANY THING to dissuade the BREEDING COMPETITION from the
> market.
>
> In this post I'll CITE the MEDICAL references repudiating
> and disparaging EVERY THING didder and her pathetic miserable
> stinkin lyin punk thug coward active accute chronic life long
> incurable malignant mental case pals claim:
>
> http://relinkz.com/GoodHealthAIN'TGOODLUCK777
>
> > > which makes one wonder WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY THINKING..
>
> Ahhh, THAT'S EXXXACTLY PRECISELY what YOU'LL say soon
> as you read a few EXXXCERPTS from diddler's own POSTED
> CASE HISTORY of her own DEATHLY ILL and DYIN hyperactive
> HOWETA CON-TROLL genetically defective backyard puppy
> mill pets she calls "highly driven working dogs" <{}: ~ ( >
>
> > > Breeding such a young dog already.
>
> That's SHEER IDIOCY. The A.K.C. accepts registering
> sires who's get are born by 12 months of age. THAT
> means the sire can be 10 months of age at conception.
>
> > > WHO IN HECK wants a performance dog that may have no hips,
>
> Ahhh, the old hip dysplasia SCAM! Dr. Wendell Belfield has
> PROVEN that hip dysplasia AIN'T a GENETIC DEFECT, it's simply
> a lack of absorbable vitamin C in the DIET. He's BRED hip
> dysplastic sire and dam, fed the mom an apupriate diet,
> raised the pups with apupriate nutrition and found NO hip
> dysplasia.
>
> HOWEver, the OFA IGNORES the EVIDENCE as it would PUT
> THEM HOWETA BUSINESS. The SCAM is puportrated by the
> AVMA on accHOWENTA they PROFIT from DOIN SURGERY on
> dysplastic dogs and "GENETIC TESTING" pryor to breeding.
> The claims of the GENETICISTS have been soundly DISPROVEN
> yet they CONtinue to GET PAID RESEARCH GRANTS funded by
> UNCLE SAM to PROVE what DON'T EXXXIST <{}: ~ ( >
>
> Here's the RESEARCH from Dr. Belfield:http://www.belfield.com/article5.html
>
> Here's more info on vitamin C:http://workingdogs.com/doc0039.htm
>
> Hip Dysplasia - A Vitamin C Deficiency
>
> http://www.belfield.com/article5.html
>
> Canine Hip Dysplasia (CHD), a crippling disease of the coxofemoral
> joint (hip), was first observed and reported in 1945 by the late
> Dr.Gary Schnelle. Dr. Schnelle was the staff radiologist at Angels
> Memorial Hospital at Boston, Massachusetts and reported his
> observations in The North American Veterinarian Journal and termed the
> condition "Congenital Coxofemoral Subluxation".
>
> Though "congenital", by definition, means "existing at birth but not
> hereditary", Schnelle theorized the cause to be a recessive gene.
>
> Today, this condition is associated with the large breeds of canines,
> however Schnelle's initial observations were in the smaller breeds
> i.e., cocker spaniels, terriers, etc..
>
> During the 1960's, Dr. Wayne Riser, a veterinary pathologist,
> collaborated with a geneticist and postulated the concept that CHD was
> "polygenetic with environmental overtones" and during this time frame,
> the term "Canine Hip Dysplasia" was born.
>
> There has been a string of professionals who have perpetuated the
> heredity theory even until the present. We have been encouraged to
> breed selectively, alter, and in some cases, euthanize the afflicted
> canines.
>
> This is what the veterinary experts have been insisting the dog
> breeders and fanciers do to prevent CHD for the past fifty-two years.
> Is it possible we have been on the wrong track for more than a half
> century?
>
> One authority, of a veterinary teaching institution in a personal
> correspondence to the author, admitted the "experts" have failed
> to solve the CHD problem.
>
> In 1976, The author published his observations:
>
> ("Chronic Subclinical Scurvy and Canine Hip Dysplasia") in his small
> animal practice through the administration of vitamin C to prevent
> CHD. Whether this concept has been accepted or not it has sparked
> controversy, and has some veterinarians reassessing the archaic
> heredity theory. There are two unanswered relevant questions the
> "experts" have failed to answer to prove the heredity theory.
>
> 1. What is the action of the gene/genes, how do they create the
> disease?
>
> 2. How does the veterinary practitioner differentiate between a hip
> subluxation due to trauma (injury) from true CHD?
>
> Since the mid 1970's, the author has been successful in preventing CHD
> through the administration of nutritional supplements to the pregnant
> female and within hours of birth to the newborn.
>
> As earlier presented, the first canines observed with CHD were the
> smaller breeds; yet today the larger canines are most affected. The
> reason for this phenomenon is that the present day dog food is
> considerably more nutritious than that being fed in the 1940's, i.e.,
> more attention is now being given to nutritional requirements.
>
> The requirements that have been established over the past four decades
> have eliminated the CHD problem in the smaller breeds but these
> requirements are not adequate for the large and giant breeds. One
> cannot expect the nutritional requirements for a Chihuahua be the same
> for that of a Great Dane.
>
> When these large and giant breeds of canines are adequately subsidized
> through nutritional supplementation, the condition is prevented.
>
> CHD must be more specifically defined. At the present, any abnormality
> in the coxofemoral joint is considered hip dysplasia.
>
> The first photograph shows a dog who was diagnosed with unilateral
> dysplasia. No consideration was given to the history of this patient.
>
> The fact of the matter is, this subluxation was due to a falling bail
> of hay impacting the right pelvic region. Bitches often sit on their
> new born causing subluxations which are not manifested for some weeks
> later when the pups begin to walk.
>
> For this reason the author, in his practice, does not diagnose or
> recognize "unilateral" hip dysplasia.
>
> The second photograph is without a doubt CHD. Both hips are subluxated
> with accompanying osteoarthritis. The problem of CHD is directly
> associated with collagen synthesis. Inadequate collagen synthesis will
> adversely affect osteogenesis (development and formation of bone),
> chondrogenesis (development and formation of cartilage), and
> myogenesis (develop and formation of muscle).
>
> These three physiological processes are dependent on good collagen
> synthesis which is dependent on good nutrition.
>
> Research biochemists, during the 90's, have established the
> involvement of good nutrition for good collagen synthesis. This
> supports the author's concept set forth in 1976 that CHD is
> nutritionally related rather than hereditary.
>
> If it can be established that these alleged genes, in fact, inhibit
> bone, cartilage, and muscle formation, then it would be possible to
> control dysplasia through nutritional supplementation.
>
> Some genetic tendencies can be overridden by other factors, such as
> nutritional supplementation. The bottom line is, if CHD can be
> prevented be it ...
>
> read more »

I have realized that Tara expecially doesn't know what she is talking
about when she said just because my dog got some food off the counter
that she should be fixed. Instead how about just train her not to do
it anymore. It seems for Tara that if the dog doesn't come out
perfect that you should not breed it. How about doing a little
training with the dog, it has nothing to do with temperment, it is the
dog not knowing what is right and what is wrong. So I am not going to
get bogged down with what they say. I have people interested in the
pups because they know and seen the parents train, I was just making
an announcement. I asked AKC and the pups will be able to be
registered with them after I get the father hips checked out. The
pups are also coming with a health guarentee so I am not worried.
Thanks for your input.
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(Msg. 54) Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:25 pm
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PLease note thbat I snipped al the crossposts that the Insane Troll
Poster saw fit to attach

savshocktroop <savshocktroop DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in
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> I have realized that Tara expecially doesn't know what she is talking
> about when she said just because my dog got some food off the counter
> that she should be fixed.

Um, I didn't say she should be fixed *just* because she counter surfed.
That's silly.

> Instead how about just train her not to do
> it anymore.

Yeah. That would be *in addition* to spaying her. I am ALL for you going
out of your way to training and socializing this dog.

But I am absolutely against you breeding her before you've even bothered
to do that.


> It seems for Tara that if the dog doesn't come out
> perfect that you should not breed it.

No dog is perfect. That, hoever, doesn't mean people whouldn't put in
any effort whatsoever to make certain they're creating healthy, stable
puppies when they breed. There's a whole lotta highway between those two
notions.

> How about doing a little
> training with the dog,

Yeah. How about it? It should be *first* on your list of things to do
when considering breeding a high drive dog like a Mali. That way, when
you see whether or not the dog does well in multiple areas of training,
you can then move on to getting her health tested in the areas known to
be problematic for malis.

But you did none of the above. So how is this a valid defense of your
actions again?

> it has nothing to do with temperment, it is the
> dog not knowing what is right and what is wrong.

What?

Dogs don't have human morality. Questions of "right and wrong" have
nothing to do with it.

Training allows for an owner to actually *see* what they've got on their
hands, temperament-wise. Someone who hasn't bothered to so much as train
a dog to live outside of the kennel (and who also hasn't trained the dog
for any working ability) doesn't have clue one as to the inheritable
temperament traits of that dog.

So why you're arguing that I'm against training as a tool in
evaluation....well, you have no idea how wrong you are.

The fact that you never bothered to train this dog (which is suddenly so
important to you for some reason) and then *bred her anyway* is one of
the things that pisses me off about your irresponsible breeding
practices. certainly not the only one.

> So I am not going to
> get bogged down with what they say.

Sure. Don't let the facts, or even the Malinois club Breeders Code of
Ethics get in the way of your agenda.

But here it is in case you want to check it out:
http://malinoisclub.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38
&Itemid=44

> I have people interested in the
> pups because they know and seen the parents train,

What you trained the female to do is incredibly unclear.

> I was just making
> an announcement. I asked AKC and the pups will be able to be
> registered with them after I get the father hips checked out. The
> pups are also coming with a health guarentee so I am not worried.
> Thanks for your input.
>

Do some research on him. Your only ally here is insane.

Tara
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savshocktroop <savshocktroop.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in
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Psycho Mental patient wrote:
>>
>> She and The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Amazing
>> Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey,
>> SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard got THREE MUTUAL
>> FRIENDS in those of Canis55 a.k.a. deamonchild666 a.k.a.
>> flmarcher @netscape.net aka thurstonhowell @excite.com,
>> LeeChalesKelley, and Lee Schulman who was Cani55's
>> partner, all professional dog trainers and authors from tara's
>> own neighborhood in N.Y.C. <{}: ~ ) >

Actually, I've never heard of Lee Schulman.

Canis never even mentioned him once. Neither had Lee CK, but then he's
not nearly as verbal in person as he is here.....possibly because he
doesn't get off the bench in the dog run very often.

>> They're all Kevin Behan "Natural Dog Training" fans. Kevin's
>> methods are EXXXCELLENT, HOWEver, they differ substantially
>> from what I teach, and so I don't recommend you get involved with
>> studyin it just yet.

This person would be better served by loking at drive training their
high drive breed than using your second hand drivel.

>> HOWEver, if you want a EXXXCELLENT resource regardin
>> "DRIVE FLOW" you MUST read Lee Schulman's book "DRIVE
>> FLOWS" if I recall the name correctly. Perhaps tara will recall?
>> NO DHOWET she's NEVER READ IT as she FEARS an HATES
>> BOTH Lees <{}: ~ ( >

Nope. Never even heard of one of them. Don't fear LCK at all. And
:"hate" is too strong a word. He's more just an annoyance at the dog
run, since he doesn't control his dogs, doesn't get off the bench,
barely even looks to see what they're up to, and then gets asked to
leave when enough people get sick of his dogs' out of control behavior.

Come to think of it, I guess I do hate that. And the last time he and I
were in the dog run together, one of his dogs started three fights (he
never even looked), and I got bitten breaking the third one up by
myself. Still took hom almost 5 minutes to show up and find out what
happened.

Nice company you keep, psycho. Both of you are all talk, and no actually
trained dogs to back up your words.

This is why most of the world has you killfiled.

Note to savshocktroop: The only reason anyone at all is even seeing his
posts is because you're refusing to snip his rambling drivel.

Though I suppose it was a kick to see the latest lies he's been busy
concocting. But even that gets old quickly, since no matter what is
said, he'll just continue to libel even after he's been corrected a
thousand times.

Good luck with your new friend!

Tara
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savshocktroop <savshocktroop.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
news:1191191295.635989.131890@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> I asked AKC and the pups will be able to be
> registered with them after I get the father hips checked out. The
> pups are also coming with a health guarentee so I am not worried.
> Thanks for your input.
>
>

AKC poses no health requirements for registry. It's a pedigree registry..
that's all. They would register the pups with or without health testing. But
you owe that health testing to the parents and the pups and pups owners
before considering breeding.

If you think AKC has to have hip testing for registry, I have a bridge in
Arizona to sell you.

There is the legal thing, and then there is the RIGHT thing. And as you know
in law enforcement, they ain't always the same thing.
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:25:51 GMT, Tara wrote:
> PLease note thbat I snipped al the crossposts that the Insane Troll
> Poster saw fit to attach

Not quite. alt.pets.dogs.pitbull isn't interested in his diseased
ramblings.

Really, is there any point in replying to him at all? If everyone would
just killfile his dumb ass, he'd die a lonely death and Usenet would be
a happier place.

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(Msg. 59) Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:16 pm
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:03:53 GMT, Tara wrote:
> savshocktroop <savshocktroop.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1191257165.399464.270900@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> Psycho Mental patient wrote:
>>>
>>> She and The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Amazing
>>> Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey,
>>> SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard got THREE MUTUAL
>>> FRIENDS in those of Canis55 a.k.a. deamonchild666 a.k.a.
>>> flmarcher @netscape.net aka thurstonhowell @excite.com,
>>> LeeChalesKelley, and Lee Schulman who was Cani55's
>>> partner, all professional dog trainers and authors from tara's
>>> own neighborhood in N.Y.C. <{}: ~ ) >
>
> Actually, I've never heard of Lee Schulman.

If you must converse with this deranged individual, please keep it out
of alt.pets.dogs.pitbull We have him killfiled and don't want to see
his insane babble.

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(Msg. 60) Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:00 pm
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On Sep 25, 7:25 am, savshocktr....RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> We are haveing a litter of Belgian Malinois that should be here in the
> middle of october, visit our web site at Southernmals.com for more
> information.

Just got the paperwork back both parents are now AKC registered
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