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Rocky <3dogs.DeleteThis@rocky-dog.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> diddy <none> said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
>
>> WORKING Malinois are prized for are prized for their BALLS
>> TO THE WALL work ethics. As Police dog candidates, these
>> dogs would make the average pet home stark raving mad. They
>> NEED a job to do.
>
> "Me too" post.
>
> A friend has 3 Malinois, one an older rescue, but the other two
> are trained and compete in Schutzhund, agility, obedience, and
> conformation. The female has medium level titles in them all
> and was the youngest dog to receive her Sch I title in this
> area. My friend is planning on breeding her (*not Not* to his
> male) and has done all the health testing possible (lucky for
> him he's in vet school - he doesn't get a deal but has great
> access).
>
> Oh, and his 3 year old daughter can walk them on leash. Pretty
> cool and well-bred and well-trained dogs. But certainly not a
> wise choice for most pet owners.
>

These are performance dogs with an outlet living as pets in a performance
home comfortably, BECAUSE the performance home has provided said outlet.
DOGS with JOBS.

Sounds like well thought out breeding too. The way things out to be.

I would think performance people above all else would prize mental and
physical soundness. Nothing of which was remotely alluded to in the OP ad.


Mental, Physical, Performance should be a trilogy. One doesn't work without
the other.
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Shelly <shelly.RemoveThis@cat-sidh.net> wrote in
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> Suja wrote:
>
>> A lot of drivey working dogs make good pet dogs because they have a
>> specific avenue for channeling those drives. In your average pet dog
>> home with the kind of care and stimulation that an average pet dog
>> gets,
>
> I didn't say "average" pet dog home. I'm assuming knowledgeable
> owners. But the assumption that those dogs must be kenneled because
> they are too unmanageable to live indoors with humans is mind
> boggling. It does not have to be that way, and in fact, is not in
> many, many cases.
>

And yet in many cases it does. Depends on the dog. Depends on the level of
drive.

Not sure what part of the equation you're faulting here: the home or the
level of innate drive.


Tara
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Tara <nothanks.RemoveThis@verizon.not> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> Shelly <shelly.RemoveThis@cat-sidh.net> wrote in
> news:fdb9co$het$1@registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> Suja wrote:
>>
>>> A lot of drivey working dogs make good pet dogs because they have a
>>> specific avenue for channeling those drives. In your average pet dog
>>> home with the kind of care and stimulation that an average pet dog
>>> gets,
>>
>> I didn't say "average" pet dog home. I'm assuming knowledgeable
>> owners. But the assumption that those dogs must be kenneled because
>> they are too unmanageable to live indoors with humans is mind
>> boggling. It does not have to be that way, and in fact, is not in
>> many, many cases.
>>
>
> And yet in many cases it does. Depends on the dog. Depends on the level
of
> drive.
>
> Not sure what part of the equation you're faulting here: the home or the
> level of innate drive.
>
>
> Tara
>
>

Do have to credit the handler for wearing the collar properly up behind the
ears, and put on in the correct direction.

The dog has pronounced elbow calluses, suggesting it DOES sleep on hard
surfaces.. suggesting it may, in fact BE a kennel dog, rather than an in-
the-home-Working-Police-Dog
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diddy <none> said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

> Mental, Physical, Performance should be a trilogy. One
> doesn't work without the other.

The thing is, that's a trilogy which should be chanted for each
and every dog out there. Unfortunately, many pet owners believe
that such doesn't apply for pet dogs. Oh, and small dogs, old
dogs, young dogs, shy dogs, aggressive dogs ...

Anyway, education is the thing, and judging by the number of
people I turn away from already-full agility classes, your
trilogy is being heard.

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Rocky <3dogs DeleteThis @rocky-dog.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> diddy <none> said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
>
>> Mental, Physical, Performance should be a trilogy. One
>> doesn't work without the other.
>
> The thing is, that's a trilogy which should be chanted for each
> and every dog out there. Unfortunately, many pet owners believe
> that such doesn't apply for pet dogs. Oh, and small dogs, old
> dogs, young dogs, shy dogs, aggressive dogs ...
>
> Anyway, education is the thing, and judging by the number of
> people I turn away from already-full agility classes, your
> trilogy is being heard.
>

It sounds as if your agility classes are a resounding success! Glad to hear
it. Congrats. As you have probably guessed, I'm a firm believer in mental,
health, performance.
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Rocky <3dogs.DeleteThis@rocky-dog.com> wrote in
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[Re mental, physical, performance]
> The thing is, that's a trilogy which should be chanted for each
> and every dog out there. Unfortunately, many pet owners believe
> that such doesn't apply for pet dogs.

Why performance, necessarily? Or maybe I should ask, what do you mean by
performance other than agility or other dog sports?

My dogs get mental stimulation via training and exposure to new
situations, and physical stimulation, although I'm working on more
walking for all of us, but they don't perform, unless I'm interpreting
that word too narrowly, and I really never thought of it as a
requirement.

--
Catherine
& Zoe, Queenie, & Max, 3 black dogs of varying sizes
& Rosalie the calico cat
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"ceb" <ceb4v.DeleteThis@nospam.virginia.edu> wrote in message:

> but they don't perform, unless I'm interpreting
> that word too narrowly, and I really never thought of it as a
> requirement.

Ditto that.

At some point in my life, I would like to have a dog that is physically and
temperamentally stable enough that I'm doing more than getting them over
whatever phobia/limitations it is they are dealing with.

Suja
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ceb <ceb4v.TakeThisOut@nospam.virginia.edu> said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

> Why performance, necessarily? Or maybe I should ask, what
> do you mean by performance other than agility or other dog
> sports?

I mentioned agility, Schutzhund, obedience, and conformation
as examples already (yes, even conformation because it
requires the owner to get out their and do something with
their dog).

Any steady goal-oriented activity is "performance" in my mind.
It can be disc-dog, luring, therapy, earthdog, ...

> My dogs get mental stimulation via training and exposure to
> new situations, and physical stimulation, although I'm
> working on more walking for all of us, but they don't
> perform, unless I'm interpreting that word too narrowly,
> and I really never thought of it as a requirement.

It's certainly not a requirement, but most dog owners aren't
aware that performance activities are even a possibility,
sometimes because the word "performance" can be a turn off.
While my small world is confined to mainly agility, I'm seeing
more and more people who're saying "Hey, my dog can probably
do that."

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Rocky <3dogs.DeleteThis@rocky-dog.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> It's certainly not a requirement, but most dog owners aren't
> aware that performance activities are even a possibility,
> sometimes because the word "performance" can be a turn off.
> While my small world is confined to mainly agility, I'm seeing
> more and more people who're saying "Hey, my dog can probably
> do that."
>

another me too post.

Some dogs do not want to be mentally or physically challenged. My beagle
for instance. Usually poor pets, but historically great hunting dogs. My
beagle is upset if she is parted from her couch for so long as her taking
care of business. Leaving her couch is stressful to her. She likes it
there.


Tuck is a very demanding dog. Not in so much as exercise, as he gets lots
of it. While i was in Colorado, he lived a very sedentary lifestyle, and
didn't mind a bit, and the dog sitter enjoyed having him. But she did
notice he was constantly trying to interact with her. He brought her
things. He engaged her. He tried to get her to teach him stuff.

Finally she did. When she put him outside, He's stand on her hot tub cover
staring at her through the window and want in until she came out with him.
He did not want to play with her dogs. He wanted to play with HER. He
demanded mental stimulation. She said he kept her challenged trying to
stay ahead of his mental engagements. Meaning he may have been a fun dog to
babysit, but he was not care-free or easy.
He did no damage. There were no consequences for ignoring him, except the
constant eye stare.. DO something with me.

Hence he's learning lots of tricks. Exercise is not enough, he needs brain
gymnastics. Tricks take 15 minutes to teach. It satisfies him. It's easy
for me, and useful and entertaining when he goes out in public. He does
REAL training daily. But he does just for fun trick training in between.

I consider the trick training a part of the performance mentality drive.
Not that you would consider a trick dog as a performance dog, as much as a
performing dog. But the activity of engagement, whether mental or physical
certainly meets the requirements of a high drive dog.

I consider Tuck a high drive dog, even though he's a flat dog much of the
time.
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Rocky <3dogs.TakeThisOut@rocky-dog.com> wrote in
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> ceb <ceb4v.TakeThisOut@nospam.virginia.edu> said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
>
>> Why performance, necessarily? Or maybe I should ask, what
>> do you mean by performance other than agility or other dog
>> sports?
>
> I mentioned agility, Schutzhund, obedience, and conformation
> as examples already (yes, even conformation because it
> requires the owner to get out their and do something with
> their dog).

I developed an appreciation for conformation after my last stewarding
stint. Watching dogs that were well-prepared and those that were not well-
prepared really demonstrated the importance of getting "pretty puppy" dogs
out in the world and confident under new circumstances.
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Rocky <3dogs.TakeThisOut@rocky-dog.com> wrote in
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> ceb <ceb4v.TakeThisOut@nospam.virginia.edu> said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
>
>> Why performance, necessarily? Or maybe I should ask, what
>> do you mean by performance other than agility or other dog
>> sports?
>
> I mentioned agility, Schutzhund, obedience, and conformation
> as examples already (yes, even conformation because it
> requires the owner to get out their and do something with
> their dog).

I know -- I was wondering if you meant that kind of structured activity
(goal-oriented, as you say below) or if there were less formal examples.

>
> Any steady goal-oriented activity is "performance" in my mind.
> It can be disc-dog, luring, therapy, earthdog, ...
>
>> My dogs get mental stimulation via training and exposure to
>> new situations, and physical stimulation, although I'm
>> working on more walking for all of us, but they don't
>> perform, unless I'm interpreting that word too narrowly,
>> and I really never thought of it as a requirement.
>
> It's certainly not a requirement, but most dog owners aren't
> aware that performance activities are even a possibility,
> sometimes because the word "performance" can be a turn off.
> While my small world is confined to mainly agility, I'm seeing
> more and more people who're saying "Hey, my dog can probably
> do that."
>

I agree that it's great for people to know about these activities as
options if they are interested. When I got my first dog, it never crossed
my mind that we would participate in any of these sports. I'm not really
sporty, and I thought of having a dog who would be my companion and walk
and hike with me. Queenie made me think of doing agility, and we did take
an intro course, which we both liked. I can't run with her, though, which
was a bit frustrating.

I just thought you were saying, earlier, that dog owners ought to be
participating in performance activities with their dogs -- that's why I
asked the questions I did.

--
Catherine
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& Rosalie the calico cat
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"Suja" <spanaval.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> At some point in my life, I would like to have a dog that is
> physically and temperamentally stable enough that I'm doing more than
> getting them over whatever phobia/limitations it is they are dealing
> with.
>

You say that, but then you keep finding dogs who need you!

--
Catherine
& Zoe, Queenie, & Max, 3 black dogs of varying sizes
& Rosalie the calico cat
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