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> Southernmals.com

Thanks for the information. If you can provide criteria of health testing,
such as OFA, CERF, numbers to check health testing history on the parents,
grandparents , siblings etc, it would be appreciated. I realize the website
is under construction, but you have omitted the most important information
needed to make an informed decision, especially with all the health and
temperament issues in the Malenois breed.

Thank you
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> diddy wrote:
>
>> I guess because there is nothing special there to look at either.
>> Mediocre conformed dogs of average looks.
>
> I didn't even bother to look.
>
>> The Dam's performance side is very weak. They are obviously
>> attempting to breed these dogs for performance, because the
>> conformation just isn't there. But who wants a performance dog if the
>> health workup isn't there?
>
> Who in their right minds would purchase *any* dog that didn't have
> even basic health clearances behind it?
>
>> And obviously there is enough performance behind these dogs, that a pet
>> home is most likely not suitable.
>
> I don't know much about Mals, but I think that in general,
> performance geared dogs *should* be suitable for pet homes.
>
WORKING Malinois are prized for are prized for their BALLS TO THE WALL
work ethics. As Police dog candidates, these dogs would make the average
pet home stark raving mad. They NEED a job to do. Most working dogs are
kenneled, because the owner just can't stand to live with them. This is a
GOOD trait.. if you want a working dog, as obviously these dogs were
intended. You want a police dog to work all day if required. These dogs
are owned by a police officer. Obviously this police officer was in a hurry
to start breeding his dogs, because there is a lot of money in good police
dogs, unfortunately he missed the finer concept of HEALTH testing and
waiting to see if issues developed before breeding and going for all that
cash. Which makes this a poorly planned litter from the get-go.
The officer needs to learn more about informed breeding, before peddling
his mediocre stuff to the public.

Obviously these dogs were totally NOT bred to be pets. NOT bred to be
conformation dogs, and is a weak attempt at being performance dogs.. Except
there is NO HEALTH TESTING.

NO HEALTH HISTORY

Who wants a performance dog that's crippled? Honestly
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> diddy wrote:
>
>> WORKING Malinois are prized for are prized for their BALLS TO THE WALL
>> work ethics. As Police dog candidates, these dogs would make the average
>> pet home stark raving mad. They NEED a job to do. Most working dogs are
>> kenneled, because the owner just can't stand to live with them. This is
a
>> GOOD trait..
>
> Well, something is rotten with the picture. I don't think it's okay
> to kennel dogs just because the owner/handler cannot manage them.
> It should be possible to breed dogs that can do the job effectively
> without making them unmanageable nut cases in the process.



I have no issue with breeding Police service dogs. I'm glad someone
certainly is. But if I were buying a police service dog, I would expect
and need balls to the walls drive, and it's certainly easier to breed
that, than create it in a dog that hasn't.

But they are not suitable for pet homes... let's make that clear.

He would serve himself better advertizing on police rags than here.

But the lack of health testing is a huge glare on the whole performance
dawg thing
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> diddy wrote:
>
>> But they are not suitable for pet homes... let's make that clear.
>
> That there are many, many police dogs who are also good pets proves
> that it's possible to achieve both goals. Creating dogs that cannot
> be pets is something I cannot support, knowing that it is
> unnecessary. I think that perpetuating the myth that police dogs
> have to be unmanageable nut cases is irresponsible.

I'm not sure hyperdrive dogs equate to necessarily nut cases.

But they do take more than the average pet owner wants to commit. Police
dogs living in homes with officer and family ARE dogs with jobs.


>
>> He would serve himself better advertizing on police rags than here.
>
> Except that they'd laugh at him.

I don't know, there are an awfully lot of uninformed police officers
regarding breeding better dogs. Case in point.


>
>> But the lack of health testing is a huge glare on the whole performance
>> dawg thing
>
> I think that's been covered.
>
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> diddy wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure hyperdrive dogs equate to necessarily nut cases.
>
> If the dog has to be kenneled because it is unmanageable in the
> home--as you stated--then I'm at a loss as to how else you'd
> characterize it.
I'm weary of your microscopic nit-picking.. moving on...
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diddy wrote:

> I guess because there is nothing special there to look at either. Mediocre
> conformed dogs of average looks.

I didn't even bother to look.

> The Dam's performance side is very weak. They are obviously attempting to
> breed these dogs for performance, because the conformation just isn't
> there. But who wants a performance dog if the health workup isn't there?

Who in their right minds would purchase *any* dog that didn't have
even basic health clearances behind it?

> And obviously there is enough performance behind these dogs, that a pet
> home is most likely not suitable.

I don't know much about Mals, but I think that in general,
performance geared dogs *should* be suitable for pet homes.

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diddy wrote:

> WORKING Malinois are prized for are prized for their BALLS TO THE WALL
> work ethics. As Police dog candidates, these dogs would make the average
> pet home stark raving mad. They NEED a job to do. Most working dogs are
> kenneled, because the owner just can't stand to live with them. This is a
> GOOD trait..

Well, something is rotten with the picture. I don't think it's okay
to kennel dogs just because the owner/handler cannot manage them.
It should be possible to breed dogs that can do the job effectively
without making them unmanageable nut cases in the process.

> Who wants a performance dog that's crippled? Honestly

No one, I should hope.

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diddy wrote:

> But they are not suitable for pet homes... let's make that clear.

That there are many, many police dogs who are also good pets proves
that it's possible to achieve both goals. Creating dogs that cannot
be pets is something I cannot support, knowing that it is
unnecessary. I think that perpetuating the myth that police dogs
have to be unmanageable nut cases is irresponsible.

> He would serve himself better advertizing on police rags than here.

Except that they'd laugh at him.

> But the lack of health testing is a huge glare on the whole performance
> dawg thing

I think that's been covered.

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"Shelly" <shelly.DeleteThis@cat-sidh.net> wrote in message:


> That there are many, many police dogs who are also good pets proves
> that it's possible to achieve both goals.

A lot of drivey working dogs make good pet dogs because they have a specific
avenue for channeling those drives. In your average pet dog home with the
kind of care and stimulation that an average pet dog gets, they absolutely
would not be the most wonderful pet dog. We get the occasional GSD in
rescue that must go to a working/performance home. The younger ones often
end up as working police dogs.

Suja
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"Suja" <spanaval.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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>
> "Shelly" <shelly.RemoveThis@cat-sidh.net> wrote in message:
>
>
>> That there are many, many police dogs who are also good pets proves
>> that it's possible to achieve both goals.
>
> A lot of drivey working dogs make good pet dogs because they have a
> specific avenue for channeling those drives. In your average pet dog
> home with the kind of care and stimulation that an average pet dog gets,
> they absolutely would not be the most wonderful pet dog. We get the
> occasional GSD in rescue that must go to a working/performance home.
> The younger ones often end up as working police dogs.
>
> Suja
>
>
>

exactly
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Shelly <shelly.RemoveThis@cat-sidh.net> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> Suja wrote:
>
>> A lot of drivey working dogs make good pet dogs because they have a
>> specific avenue for channeling those drives. In your average pet dog
>> home with the kind of care and stimulation that an average pet dog
>> gets,
>
> I didn't say "average" pet dog home. I'm assuming knowledgeable
> owners. But the assumption that those dogs must be kenneled because
> they are too unmanageable to live indoors with humans is mind
> boggling. It does not have to be that way, and in fact, is not in
> many, many cases.
>

OK I assumed PET home to be the average PET home, with PERFORMANCE Homes
being homes that were interested in providing a home for a dog that needed
a job.

Still, if you are requiring a dog that needed a job, would you not want
health insurances?
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Suja wrote:

> A lot of drivey working dogs make good pet dogs because they have a specific
> avenue for channeling those drives. In your average pet dog home with the
> kind of care and stimulation that an average pet dog gets,

I didn't say "average" pet dog home. I'm assuming knowledgeable
owners. But the assumption that those dogs must be kenneled because
they are too unmanageable to live indoors with humans is mind
boggling. It does not have to be that way, and in fact, is not in
many, many cases.

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diddy wrote:

> I'm not sure hyperdrive dogs equate to necessarily nut cases.

If the dog has to be kenneled because it is unmanageable in the
home--as you stated--then I'm at a loss as to how else you'd
characterize it.

> But they do take more than the average pet owner wants to commit. Police
> dogs living in homes with officer and family ARE dogs with jobs.

I didn't say "average." You said those dogs are kenneled because
they can't live indoors. That stinks, and I do not believe it
should be acceptable. They can, and do, make good pets in the right
hands.

> I don't know, there are an awfully lot of uninformed police officers
> regarding breeding better dogs. Case in point.

Those officers are surely not buying their work dogs themselves.

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