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Joshuall

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:29 am
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We have a new puppy beagle. All of a sudden he won't eat his dry puppy food.
If I put water in it he will gulp it up. Seems like because its soft. I
suppose this may have to do with his teething, but I'm not sure what I'm
doing for him is a good thing. Should I continue to make sure he's well
nourished or is adding water to soften up his food for a while bad for his
teething process ? Any help appreciated.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:27 am
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B. He's 5 months exactly.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:57 pm
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In article "Joshuall" writes:

Yes, keep his food soft!

>We have a new puppy beagle. All of a sudden he won't eat his dry puppy food.
>If I put water in it he will gulp it up. Seems like because its soft. I
>suppose this may have to do with his teething, but I'm not sure what I'm
>doing for him is a good thing. Should I continue to make sure he's well
>nourished or is adding water to soften up his food for a while bad for his
>teething process ? Any help appreciated.
>
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>
>Josh The Bad Bear
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:57 pm
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Thanks a ton Marshall. It's been 17 years since I had a puppy. I'm new to
this and want to make sure we take care of him properly. Appreciate your
advice and am glad to have found this news group.

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In article "Joshuall" writes:
>Thanks a ton Marshall. It's been 17 years since I had a puppy. I'm new to
>this and want to make sure we take care of him properly. Appreciate your
>advice and am glad to have found this news group.
>
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>God Bless America
>
>Josh The Bad Bear

Thanks for the kind words Josh. You might best enjoy this group
if you filter out objectionable posters. Here is my filter
file:

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/ /h:j
/ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net/h:j
/"55rzwodzwo" /h:j
/m_icha_el/h:j
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 8:12 am
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HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer,

"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message

> In article "Joshuall"
writes:
> >B. He's 5 months exactly.
>
> Your dog is the right age! Take a look at his teeth;
> if they are fine keep your dog's food soft.
>
> **************************
>
> Like humans,

Dogs are very much like humans in many respects.

> dogs have two sets of teeth in their lives. The 28
> baby teeth erupt through the gums between the
> third and sixth weeks of age. Puppies do not have
> to grind much food, so they do not have molars.

That so, professor? CITES PLEASE?

The Amazing Puppy Wizard never gave it much
thought in HIS forty sumpthin years of professional
EXXXPERIENCE raising trainin and specializing in
temperament and behavior problems in mostly giant
breed and working dogs.

HOWEver, to the best of HIS recollection, The
Amazing Puppy Wizard would BET HIS LIFE
that puppys DO have MOLARS, professor,
DESPITE HIS lack of formal education.

Here's a cite from "PetsDoc.com Ask The Vet":

Oh, bye the bye, PROFESSOR, HOWE'S The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's SPELLIN an PUNKTUATION?

"Dogs have 28 deciduous (temporary) teeth and
42 permanent teeth. Puppies have no teeth at birth,
and grow deciduous teeth beginning their second
week of life. At three months of age, the deciduous
teeth begin to be replaced by the permanent teeth.

The replacement process begins with the incisors,
and moves backwards through the canines, premolars
and finally the molars.

The turnover process is usually complete by the
time the dog is eight months old, with none of the
original 28 deciduous teeth remaining."

> Puppy teeth begin to shed and be replaced by
> permanent adult teeth at about four months of
> age. Although there is some variation in breeds,
> most adult dogs have 42 teeth, with the molars
> coming last, at about six or seven months.
> http://www.canismajor.com/dog/teeth.html
> **************************************************

Of curse, we can ask another vet. Maybe we
can get a CONsinsus of OPINION, professor?
After all, these ARE DIS-CUSSION groups.

> --Marshall

HOWEver, let's not make a MHOWENTAIN
HOWETA a molar. It's really irrelevent anyHOWE.

But while we're talkin, might as well make it
worthwhile:

From DentalVet.com:
"The primary or deciduous incisors erupt at one
to three weeks of age while the primary canines
erupt at three to four weeks. The remaining temporary
premolars and molars should emerge by ten weeks."

But neither of us are dentists or medical EXXXPERTS
anyHOWE, professor SCRUFF SHAKE. Perhaps THAT'S
HOWE COME we're in the "soft sciences," BEHAVIORISM?

Kinda like that questions abHOWET what's a Jewish
boy gonna do if he faints at the sight of blood?:

Become a lawyer.

Or a university professor.

Perhaps we FHOWEND HOWErselves in this
field on accHOWENT of it's on the fringes of
REAL SCIENCE, professor?

> Date: 1999/07/05
> Marshall Dermer wrote:
>
>> In article
<976F54CA8C2C77AB.9DF245927D0DAB8B.90BA464FE454EF7F RemoveThis @lp.airnews.net
> Jason writes:
>>
>> > I would assume that all puppies like to bite and chew
>> > on just about anything. How do you train a young
>> > puppy NOT to chew on hands and feet? Although
>> > there is a time and place for saying 'no'

SHORE!~ If you want the dog to OPPOSE you.

>> > and giving the dog a scruff shake I do no
>> > know if this is appropriate at this age.

We shove fingers dHOWEN puppy's throats to choke
them HOWETA mHOWETHING from the time they're
in the litter box, ACCORDING TO lying frosty dahl,
sindy SADIST mooreon, lyingdogDUMMY, lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, ed w of PET LOSS dot CON,
and company.

Hello doc,

You seem to be real good with all the big words and stuff,
but you are failing dog behavior 101. The obvious negative
consequences of the abusive advice you have given Jason
is likely to have a major negative impact on his dog and his
family as a result of your failure to understand what we have
been discussing here.

>> At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.

Like puppys don't have molars?

>> But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck
>> and shake it a bit,

That'd be a EXXXCELLENT way to get The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's boot up your stinkin
arse, professor.

>> and the frequency of the biting decreases then

That'd mean your dog FEARS you. MHOWETING
is BONDING BEHAVIOR, professor. REJECTING
the dog's BONDING attempts will FRUSTRATE
and make him try HARDER to get you to say
"HOWEDY!"

When you SCRUFF SHAKE him you BETRAY him.

>> you will have achieved too things.

This will achieve violating the trust and respect you
need to develop to make your dog NATURALLY
WANTdo anything you ask. The MonkeysofNotso
NewSkeete are a bunch of heavy handed thugs,
when it comes to dog training.

Their methods are barbaric and outdated by current
information. But they do have a nicely edited text with
lots of pretty pictures. They specialize in GSD's, a
breed known to tolerate heavy handed treatment from
their owners.

>> First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has
>> decreased; and two, you have established "No"
>> as a conditioned punisher.

Not necessarily, doc. Allelomimetic behavior dictates
the dog will copy your actions and attitudes.

Remember?

What you are teaching the dog is howe you want him
to respond back to you in the future. People that abuse
their dogs as puppies usually face aggressive challenges
when the dog is more mature.

Are you going to have some good suggestions if
the dog decides to do that with one of Jason's kids
WON day?

That's what you'd be responsible for...

That's why I'm here.

Seems to me, that a dog trainer who needs to resort
to fear, force, intimidation, and confrontation is hardly
able to outsmart a puppy.

Nice work getting your degree, but cause you pay the
price doesn't insure you're able to use your head. You
do seem to be a lazy student, though.

>> How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
>> minimum necessary to

TEACH GENTLENESS, LOVE, TRUST, and RESPECT,
professor?

To DEMONSTRATE SELF DISCIPLINE, professor?

>> decrease the unwanted biting.

Nothin you suggest is acceptable under any circumstances. Violence
is not
subjective. We do not quantify HOWE much
abuse we shall administer today. That is sick and disgusting.

Furthermore, a human being is not a mother dog. We
cannot compete with them on their level effectively. Mom
dogs abuse their puppies just like HOWE they're taught
by their abusive moms and handlers. Puppy bitches
CHALLENGE and FIGHT with mom and sibling bitches.

That's all part of NATURE'S PLAN to prevent inbreeding.

>> When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before
>> mild forms of punishment

And your dog is NHOWE DYING ON YOU, as a RESULT
of the constant stress of varialbly reinforced punishment.

>> (I would hold my dog's mouth closed for a few seconds.)

To teach it to RELAX, and NOT TO GRAB you...

>> whereas "Bad Dog" came

From your fear, anger, ignorance, and colossal ego, professor.

>> before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

The kind of PUNISHMENT that teaches unconditional love,
gentleness, and
RESPECT for your HIGHER INTELLIGENCE,
LEADERSHIP, CARING, and your measure of self control and
confidence, professor?

In the past thirty years of my professional dog training
career, punishment has not ever been used on any of
the dogs I've worked.

Punishment causes misery. Misery causes aversion to
the handler, not the behavior. The dog will not want to
be the best he can for you under punitive situations.

Confrontation, physical force, intimidation cause STRESS
and ANXIETY which are not conducive to the learning situation.
They may
result in similar symptoms to post traumatic stress disorder.

>> My dog is about 1.5 years old. "No" is usually sufficient
>> but sometimes I use "Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad
>> Dog" ALWAYS works.

Yeah. It's cause Maxie to have OCD'S and LIFE
THREATENING, STRESS INDUCED physical
health disorders.

>> I then, of course, quickly say "Good Dog" when he is
>> appropriately behaving.

You mean, AFTER THE FACT.

My dogs never do things requiring discipline, they
have obviated those behaviors through the process
of learning, not through the process of being corrected.

People that use force and confrontation on their dogs
are constantly having to address behavior problems
that manifest as a result of the punished behavior being
transferred to other substitute behaviors.

That's one of the many subtitles of dog behavior
the good doc needs to learn a little more about.

>> In providing verbal punishment and reinforcement
>> as in using nonverbal punishement and reinforcement,
>> timing is very important.

Timing is everything. There is never any time that
punishment is justifiable. Not ever. It is unnecessary
and creates other behavior problems when it does
not work.

Your risk of causing the dog to turn on its owners
by the age of eighteen months is roughly ten percent.

Those are the dogs that I work with very often. Their
stories are all the same. The people followed the advice
of the Monks, or Koehler, and used all the group classes
for months to control escalating malbehaviors, and pushed
it to the point where the dog is aggressive with the family.

I'm F'n tired of seeing that happen.

That's why I'm here.

I'm here to tell you you got another think coming. You
are dead wrong, and dogs die unnecessarily as a result
of those kinds of handling methods.

>> Use these consquences to control behavior much
>> as in the game where a child is told "your getting
>> hot" or "your getting cold." If the delay between the
>> behavior and the consquence is too long then the
>> behavior will not appropriately change.

Your getting colder. You've got time, stick around,
maybe some good information will rub off on you.

>> --Marshall
>> I have listed below, in rank order, ( 1 = "The Best")
>> my favorite sources.

That will serve as an INDICTMENT of their INFORMATION.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry M Male"
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Cocker with ear infection
>
> Thanks Jerry,
>
>
> I enjoyed the scientific discussion debunking
> operant conditioning for teaching thinking animals.
> Humans think by forming concepts. All of their
> knowledge is held as a hierarchy of concepts
> (more complex concepts defined in terms of
> simpler ones). In my mind, to treat such a being
> as a B. F. Skinner robot is criminal.
>
> I don't believe that dogs hold their knowledge
> as concepts as do humans but their ability to
> think is unquestionable.
>
> Operant conditioning doesn't utilize an animal's
> ability to think. When you show a dog what you
> want them to do, then they are able to grasp the
> problem; they are able to think about it and to
> integrate possible solutions into their mind.
>
> But with operant conditioning a trainer is actually
> hiding the problem to be solved from the animal.
>
> For example, it is good for your dog's attention to
> be upon you. When heeling, he will notice your
> movements, your subtle hand signals, your facial
> expressions and he will immediately sense your
> next command. But the clicker trainers have forgotten
> the reasons why a dog's attention should be upon you.
>
> So they condition a dog to unnaturally cock his head
> to stare upward at you. The dog doesn't appreciate
> the meaning of this and neither does the trainer. Since
> this unnatural behavior is prized in the obedience ring,
> the clicker trainers are motivated to condition it.
>
> Don't you think that the "high five" hand shake that
> clicker trainers use to motivate novices looks like a
> Nazi salute (an unthinking reflex). It is not at all like
> a warm hand shake from a loving companion, is it?
>
> Some of your testimonials bring tears to my eyes. I
> love to see how some "thinking" people appreciate
> your methods.
>
> --Larry


>----- Original Message -----
> Subject: GREMLINS
>From: "Larry" To: "The Puppy Wizard"
><thepuppywizard RemoveThis @earthlink.net Sent:
> Friday, July 02, 2004

I live in an apartment complex that accepts dogs. I
have recommended your web site and your training
manual to quite a few pet owners. Unfortunately, it
seems to be human nature for them to not address
training until their dog's behavior problems become
serious.

Several people have seen me out working with Kit. They
cannot believe it when I am able to call a 7 week old
pup away from them. Those who have pups of their own
say that they are waiting until their pups are older
in order to begin traini ng.Itellthemtobeginnow.
But they don'tknowwhattodo.

Have you ever seen the movie "Gremlins"? The Mogwai
comes with three rules: 1) keep out of bright light,
2) keep away from water and 3) never feed after
midnight. Of course disaster befalls the new owners
because they don't take these rules seriously. When I
last watched this movie I thought to myself, how
similar it was to getting a new puppy. Just as does a
Mogwai, a puppy has a nature that demands proper
handling and just as it will with a cute little
Mogwai, mishandling will turn your cute little puppy
into a gremlin.

--Larry

Subject: PetsMart Puppy Playtime
Date: 2004-07-17 12:05:36 PST

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry"
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:48 PM
Subject: Kit rules PetsMart Puppy Playtime

Hello Jerry,

The experts say to take your puppy to puppy
classes to socialize them with other puppies.

Kit went to Puppy Playtime at PetsMart today.

I guess that I fail to see what Kit could learn
from those unruly puppies except perhaps
some bad behaviors.

Anyway he mostly lay there quietly and watched.
He wasn't' scared or apprehensive and he didn't
mind approaching other dogs if they seemed willing.

But it was a mad house-a beagle sounding off, a
boxer jumping on everyone, a bull dog pushing his
way around, a Great Dane tripping over everyone,
a little pug barking and poor little Kit getting trampled
because he was so much smaller than everyone else.

Once, he got a bit defensive and snarled and yipped
when this one bigger terrier kept picking on him
(scratching him hard).

Several people commented to me how calm Kit
seemed to be. They wondered if it were a breed
characteristic.

I told them that it was my training method, but
most of them seemed to just get that look in
their eye that says "Yea, yea".

But this one lady seemed interested so I referred
her to your web site. She had a rescued dog which
she held in her arms and it would snap at other
dogs when she gave them any attention.

She would immediately grab her little dog's muzzle
and squeeze it tightly. She finally confided in me
that it did the same to her husband and to her 25lb
cat.

I told her that it was going to get worse and
worse if she didn't address it immediately.

I know that carrying that dog around like she
does and tucking him tight under her arm
when another dog approaches is exasperating
her dog's behavior. I told her so. She said that
she would immediately go to doggydoright.com.

I hope she does.

--Larry

HOWEDY TooCool,

"TooCool" wrote in message

>
> I have studied canine behavior and
> dog training for years.

You're a university trained scientist with
a couple master's degrees and some
other STUFF, are you not?

> I have a huge library that covers every system of training.

IN FACT, you've personally discussed several
of those methods with their authors, have you not?

> The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End
> Training Method is by far the most scientific,
> the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest
> and the most effective training method yet
> discovered.

AS STATED by all HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End dog Training Method Manual
Students who REPORT their 100% NEARLY
INSTANT SUCCESS right here, on The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Forums.

> It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks;
> it is a logically consistent system.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard calls it a GESTALT.

> Every behavior problem and every obedience
> skill is treated in the same logically consistent
> manner.

OtherWIZE it would VIOLATE the SCIENTIFIC
PRINCIPLES upon which The Method is based.

> Please study his manual carefully.

And follow it PRECISELY and ASK The
Amazing Puppy Wizard if you have difficulty,
or YOU WILL FAIL.

> Please endeavor to understand the basis
> of his system and please follow his directions
> exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.

Thank you. That IS, "TooCool!"

> It is dense with theory, with explanation, with
> detailed descriptions about why behavior problems
> occur and how their solution should be approached.
>
> One should not pick and choose from among his
> methods based upon what you personally like or
> dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete
> and integrated system for not only training a dog
> but for raising a loving companion.

Like a child or spHOWES.

> When I once said to Jerry that his system
> creates for you the dog of your dreams, his
> response was that it produces for your dog
> the owner of his dreams.

And the LIVING NIGHTMARE for those who
say otherWIZE. TRUST The Amazing Puppy
Wizard. HE is NOT a gentle kindly SHOWEL
towards liars and dog abusers. In the problem
behavior BUSINESS, FAILURE MEANS DEATH.

> You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are
> gentle with your dog then he will be gentle
> with you, if you praise your dog every time he
> looks at you, then you will become the center
> of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
> distraction with praise, then it takes just minutes-
> sometimes merely seconds-to train your dog
> to not misbehave (even in your absence).
>
> (Just 15 seconds this morning to train my 10
> week old puppy to lie quietly and let me clip
> his nails). Using Jerry's scientific method
> (sound distraction / praise / alteration / variation)
> it takes just minutes to train you dog to respond
> to your commands.
>
> What a pleasure it was for me to see my
> 6 week old puppy running as fast has his
> wobbly little legs would carry him in response
> to my recall command-and he comes running
> every time I call no matter where we are or
> what he is doing.
>
> At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains
> upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold
> exercises and his Family Pack Leadership
> Exercises.
>
> Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog,
> if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if
> you hurt him, if you force him then his natural
> response is to oppose you.
>
> Is Jerry a nut?

HE'D HAVE to be CRAZY to call the university
trained behaivorists like professor marshall dermer
and his bed partner dr. plonsky LIARS, DOG
ABUSERS, COWARDS and FRAUDS.

EITHER HE'S INSANE, or HE'S DEAD RIGHT.

You'll NOTICE they won't defend themselves.

> It doesn't make any difference to me whether
> he is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a
> person's ideas based upon their personality.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard is very gentle,
even if HE is CRAZY. Unless of curse, you're
a dog abusing punk thug coward, then HE
turns into your worst nightmare. Isn't that
correct, tommy, freddie, diane, marshall,
janet, bigb?

> As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his
> heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply
> when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating,
> scolding or hurting dogs.

Everything The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
abHOWET dog behavior applies to children.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard was brought to
tears the other day when WON of dr dobson's
flunkies on the "700 Club" TV show sez "I told
my 11 year old daughter she was gettin too big
to spank."

Those miserable child abusing cowards are NEXT.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez a two year
old child is TOO BIG to SPANK and less than
two they're TOO LITTLE to spank.

Any adult who'd advocate spanking punishing
scolding or otherWIZE negatively interact with
a child is nuthing but a goddamned mental
case or CRIMINAL and The Amazing Puppy
Wizard is lookin forward to PROVING IT IN
COURTS of LAW and gettin laws passed
PROTECTING children and dumb animals
from the likes of HOWER university trained
behaviorists and punk thug so call Xians who
have brought us to the brink of WWIII.

> More than that, he knows that force is not effective

NOT ENTIRELY, TooCool. Force CAN BE EFFECTIVE.

But ONLY IF you're willin to MURDER your subject.

Like THIS:

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

Lynn K. wrote:

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
---------------------------------

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

> and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;

Like comin in here to The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Forum and tellin folks
NOT TO BELIEVE The Amazing Puppy
Wizard.

> sometime problems so severe that people
> put their dogs down because of those problems.

Like THIS:

<"Terri"@cyberhighway

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

====================

> I believe that it is natural for humans to want to
> control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too.

Only on accHOWENT of HE has spent
forty five years teaching people HOWE
to NOT FORCE, yet they still try, cause
they got PROBLEMS and it AIN'T the dog.

> We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?

But NHOWE we know it's by CHOICE, not LUCK.

> Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
> scientific literature it is referred to allelomimetic
> behavior.

"Jerry Calls It Allomimetic Behaviour.
I Think Its Plain Logic," Amanda.

> Dogs respond in like kind to force; they respond
> in like kind to praise. Don't bribe your dog with
> treats; give him what he wants most-your kind
> attention. Give him your praise.

Like HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches:

The Puppy Wizard sez "A dog is a dog as a child
is a child. They only respond in PREDICTABLE
NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE
REFLEXIVE ways to situations and circumstances
of their environment which we create for them.

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

"If You Talk With The Animals, They Will Talk
With You And You Will Know Each Other. If
You Do Not Talk To Them, You Will Not Know
Them, And What You Do Not Know You Will Fear.
What One Fears, One Destroys," Chief Dan George,
adapted with permission from his FREE copy of The
Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual.

> You will be astonished at how your dog's anxiety
> will dissipate and how their behavior problems
> will dissipate along with their anxiety.

NEARLY INSTANTLY, as REPORTED by ALL
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Students all
over the Whole Wild World REPORT RIGHT
HERE.

You know, the WONS HOWER DOG LOVERS
CALL LIARS and FORGERIES by The Amazing
Puppy Wizard.

> Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
> Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
> would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
> success.

Or you will FAIL. Like professor SCRUFF SHAKE done
with his DEATHLY ILL little dog Maxie The Magnificent
FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator.

> Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

INDEED. The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
DISCREDITED traditional behavior science
as the CAUSE of all behavior problems.

> If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a
> sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely
> get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
>
> --Larry

INDEED.

"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.

What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George

"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall

The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME is the perfect
synergy of love, pride, desire, self will, greed,
ego, fear, hate, arrogance, disbelief, jealousy,
embarrassment, embellishment, shame, guilt,
anger, aversion, attraction, revulsion, change,
permanence, enlightenment, insult, attrition,
and conditioning.

It's the perfect fusion of The Word...,
in the physical.

It's time for the dog training industry and
the universities who TEACH "behaviorists"
to DEFEND THEIR METHODS against 100%
NEAR INSTANT TOTAL SUCCESS as PROVEN
by the C-HOWENTLESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Student's REPORTS,
after they've TRIED ALL OTHER METHODS
and FAILED.

"The greatness of a nation and its moral
progress can be judged by the way its
animals are treated." ~ Mohandas Gandhi --
Adapted with permission from his FREE
copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual. <}TPW ; ~ ) >

Force training JERRYIZES dogs
and GETS THEM DEAD.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marshall Dermer"
>
> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
>
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
>
> Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
>
> Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
>
> I have, of late, come to recognize your
> genius and now must applaud your attempts
> to save animals from painful training
> procedures.
>
> You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional
> talent, who tirelessly devotes his days to
> crafting posts to alert the world to animal
> abuse.
>
> We are lucky to have you, and more people
> should come to their senses and support
> your valuable work.
>
> Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
> charity to fund your important work?
>
> Have you thought about holding a press
> conference so others can learn of your
> highly worthwhile and significant work?
>
> In closing, my only suggestion is that you
> try to keep your messages short for most
> readers may refuse to read a long message
> even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy
> Wizard.
>
> I wish you well in your endeavors.
>
> --Marshall Dermer
> Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/
> Behavior Analysis Specialty/Department
> of Psychology/University of Wisconsin-
> Milwaukee/Milwaukee,WI 53201
> dermer RemoveThis @uwm.edu
> http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
> --------------------------------------


"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

CC: marshall Dermer;Joshuall@comcast.net
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HOWEDY professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into the dog's face for 5 seconds" dermer,

"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message

> In article "Joshuall"
writes:
>
> >Thanks a ton Marshall.

You'll find professor SCRUFF SHAKE a wealth
of knowledge, ESPECIALLY in regards to heelth
problmes associated with STRESS from punishment
and withholding bribes attention and affection
and locking dogs in boxes and trying to get HOWET
callin THAT, trainin.

> > It's been 17 years since I had a puppy.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has over forty
years professional EXXXPERIENCE specializing
in temperament and behavior problems in
mostly giant breed working dogs.

> > I'm new to this and want to make sure
> > we take care of him properly.

THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard GIVES people their own FREE copy
of HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual.

> > Appreciate your advice

INDEED?

> > and am glad to have found this news group.

ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and
ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL
CASES POST HERE abHOWETS.

> >God Bless America

G-D BLESS US ALL.

> >Josh The Bad Bear
>
> Thanks for the kind words Josh. You might
> best enjoy this group if you filter out objectionable
> posters. Here is my filter file:
>
> /gaubster2@aol.com/h:j
> / /h:j
> /ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net/h:j
> /"55rzwodzwo" /h:j
> /m_icha_el/h:j
> /: *AMNESTY for the ILL/h:j
> /" "/h:j
>
> --Marshall

professor SCRUFF SHAKE WROTE:

> Consider this. Years ago, I brought my
> mentally ill mother

Duh-Oh?

> to a new doctor for a physical examination.
> When the doctor completed the examination,
> the doctor noted that my mother had reported
> herself to be a virgin!

Hmmm. Kinda like professor SCRUFF SHAKE
purports to be a BEHAVIORIST. The Amazing
Puppy Wizard TOLD YOU he was NUTS.

> Now if my Jewish, biological

Don't you mean PATHOLOGICAL, professor?

> mother reported herself to be a virgin than
> what might this make me?

Well professor SCRUFF SHAKE, either you inherited
the traits of lying, or you was adopted and lied to and
developed your propensity for falsehood, through
allelomimetic behavior.

> > :-)

<{} ; ~ ) >

EITHER way, it STILL makes you a lying
dog abusing mentally ill punk thug coward
whether it be attributed to nature or nurture.

> --Marshall

"The fruit don't fall far from the goddamned
fruitcake," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

And THAT'S SCIENCE, professor.
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ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. <{}YPW; ~ } >
oo-oo

GOT MILK?

"The Puppy Wizard" wrote in message

> HOWEDY professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
> "NO!" into the dog's face for 5 seconds" dermer,
>
> "Marshall Dermer" wrote in message
>
> > In article "Joshuall"
> writes:
> >
> > >Thanks a ton Marshall.
>
> You'll find professor SCRUFF SHAKE a wealth
> of knowledge, ESPECIALLY in regards to heelth
> problmes associated with STRESS from punishment
> and withholding bribes attention and affection
> and locking dogs in boxes and trying to get HOWET
> callin THAT, trainin.
>
> > > It's been 17 years since I had a puppy.
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard has over forty
> years professional EXXXPERIENCE specializing
> in temperament and behavior problems in
> mostly giant breed working dogs.
>
> > > I'm new to this and want to make sure
> > > we take care of him properly.
>
> THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
> Wizard GIVES people their own FREE copy
> of HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
> Method Manual.
>
> > > Appreciate your advice
>
> INDEED?
>
> > > and am glad to have found this news group.
>
> ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and
> ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL
> CASES POST HERE abHOWETS.
>
> > >God Bless America
>
> G-D BLESS US ALL.
>
> > >Josh The Bad Bear
> >
> > Thanks for the kind words Josh. You might
> > best enjoy this group if you filter out objectionable
> > posters. Here is my filter file:
> >
> > /gaubster2@aol.com/h:j
> > / /h:j
> > /ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net/h:j
> > /"55rzwodzwo" /h:j
> > /m_icha_el/h:j
> > /: *AMNESTY for the ILL/h:j
> > /" "/h:j
> >
> > --Marshall
>
> professor SCRUFF SHAKE WROTE:
>
> > Consider this. Years ago, I brought my
> > mentally ill mother
>
> Duh-Oh?
>
> > to a new doctor for a physical examination.
> > When the doctor completed the examination,
> > the doctor noted that my mother had reported
> > herself to be a virgin!
>
> Hmmm. Kinda like professor SCRUFF SHAKE
> purports to be a BEHAVIORIST. The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard TOLD YOU he was NUTS.
>
> > Now if my Jewish, biological
>
> Don't you mean PATHOLOGICAL, professor?
>
> > mother reported herself to be a virgin than
> > what might this make me?
>
> Well professor SCRUFF SHAKE, either you inherited
> the traits of lying, or you was adopted and lied to and
> developed your propensity for falsehood, through
> allelomimetic behavior.
>
> > > :-)
>
> <{} ; ~ ) >
>
> EITHER way, it STILL makes you a lying
> dog abusing mentally ill punk thug coward
> whether it be attributed to nature or nurture.
>
> > --Marshall
>
> "The fruit don't fall far from the goddamned
> fruitcake," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.
>
> And THAT'S SCIENCE, professor.
>
>
>
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