Swamp keeps those lies coming thick and fast

"swamp" <swamp DeleteThis @adelphia.net> wrote in message news:28b3hv8cn8m6uqmc6v83r3onq7anau1r0h@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:58:55 +0100, "Derek"
> <dereknash DeleteThis @btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"swamp" <swamp DeleteThis @adelphia.net> wrote in message news:62u0hvkcn6tfgpfaibak7meitiodp075in@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:28:39 +0100, "Derek" <dereknash DeleteThis @btopenworld.com> wrote:
> >> >"swamp" <swamp DeleteThis @adelphia.net> wrote in message news:o8msgvoc4l93k648h07p4akpckg5u3tc91@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:04:02 +0100, "Derek" <dereknash DeleteThis @btopenworld.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >You haven't answered the question, bog.
> >> >>
> >> >> You haven't asked a question; you've merely asserted that others hold
> >> >> beliefs and then attacked your presumptive answers.
> >> >
> >> >I asked several questions but you keep snipping
> >> >them away and refuse to answer them. One of
> >> >the questions in the post prior to this was," Why
> >> >do insist, without any evidence, that it is the vegan
> >> >who holds a weird belief while at the same time
> >> >confessing to your own beliefs that compel you
> >> >to eat meat by way of paying homage to your
> >> >imagined Goddess?
> >>
> >> There are many problems w/ your compound question. First, I have
> >> plenty of evidence that ar/evs hold many mistaken religious beliefs.
> >
> >You have no evidence of these supposed beliefs
> >at all. If you had, you would've produce it. You
> >must now present what evidence you claim to
> >have or retract your claim.
>
> I'll do no such thing. Unlike, I don't deny the truth.

Then show your evidence instead of just claiming
to "have plenty of it." Where is it, bog?
> >
> >> Second, I don't feel *compelled* to eat meat,
> >
> >You have admitted you do, and said you'll stand
> >by your confession. Here's the proof, again:
> >[start me]
> >> > You believe that your understanding
> >> > of this Goddess you metaphorically call 'Ma Nature'
> >> > compels you pay homage to 'her' by eating meat,
> >> > and your own words are crystal clear in showing
> >> > this belief;
> >> > "Show Her a little more respect and have a hamburger
> >> > fer cryin' out loud."
> >> > Swamp. Date: 2003-06-29
> >>
> >> ok, I'll stand by that.
> >[end]
> >
> >How much more proof do I need to show you're
> >a liar, bog?
>
> You can quote that till yer blue in the face. It does nothing to
> support your ridiculous argument.
>
My argument with you is that you have an
irrational belief in a Goddess. You've admitted
you do and said you'll stand by it, so yes, that
quote does support my argument 100%.

> >> Third, I don't believe in or pay homage to goddesses,
> >
> >You're lying, and here's the proof, again, in your
> >own words.
> >[start me]
> >> > You believe that your understanding
> >> > of this Goddess you metaphorically call 'Ma Nature'
> >> > compels you pay homage to 'her' by eating meat,
> >> > and your own words are crystal clear in showing
> >> > this belief;
> >> > "Show Her a little more respect and have a hamburger
> >> > fer cryin' out loud."
> >> > Swamp. Date: 2003-06-29
> >>
> >> ok, I'll stand by that.
> >[end]
> >
> >You can't get away from this confession, bog, so it's
> >useless to deny you're lying.
>
> That only proves your inability to understand metaphors.

A metaphor is something which is conceived to
represent something else, and whatever metaphor
you're using to represent this intelligence you believe
in is fine by me. Ma Nature, Goddess, they're all
as stupid as each other.
> >
> >> tho if I saw Kate
> >> Beckinsale in a bar I'd buy her a drink.
> >>
> >> So you see, it's impossible to answer the question as asked.
> >
> >The only reason you're having problems answering
> >my questions is because you're trying desperately
> >trying to distance yourself from your earlier
> >confessions. You have no option but to keep your
> >promise and "stand by that" else you'll be seen as
> >a bigger liar than you look already. You're stuck
> >with them. I'll make sure of that.
>
> Go right ahead. Ma Nature wants you to eat meat.
>
What makes you think that, bog? What sign has
your supernatural intelligence given you to conclude
that it wants me to eat meat?

> >> Perhaps if you were to rephrase it as a genuine
> >> question I could accomodate you.
> >>
> >> >Another question which remain unanswered and
> >> >merely snipped away without comment was,
> >> >"Aren't you aware that your attack on vegans
> >> >for supposedly holding a religious belief
> >> >themselves makes you appear rather hypocritical
> >> >while following diet based on ritual sacrifice?
> >>
> >> Same problems as the first question. I don't attack ar/evs for their
> >> religious beliefs; I attack their denial of them.
> >
> >They deny holding them, and they are perfectly
> >able to do so seeing as they've never confessed
> >to holding any.
>
> It doesn't matter whether they admit to them or not. They hold them
> regardless.
>
Then show your evidence of this belief, bog. Don't
just shout it and run away. Start providing some
evidence, because let's not forget your other confession
where you admitted your arguments are nothing but
"meatarian lies."

> >You, though, have confessed to
> >yours AND said you'll stand by them. Being that
> >you now try to deny ever having them, I'm going
> >to use the approach you use against the vegan
> >and attack you remorsely for denying them too.
>
> Attack me "remorsely?" What's that supposed to mean?
>
You'll find out.

> >I have the advantage.
>
> If all you have is my alleged belief in a metaphorical "goddess" you
> have zippo.
>
It isn't an alleged belief, bog, You have admitted it
and said you'll stand by it. How many times are you
going to lie about this, bog?

> >Your attack against the
> >vegan's denial of an irrational belief is without
> >any foundation seeing as they haven't expressed
> >one. You merely insist they do without any
> >evidence to back your claim. I, on the other
> >hand, have your full confession stating you'll
> >stand by your irrational belief in a Goddess
> >which compels you to pay homage to it by
> >eating meat.
>
> You still have zippo except irrational, pseudo-religious beliefs.
>
You've admitted them, liar.

> >> The rest of your
> >> leading (unpermitted in formal debate) question I addressed above.
> >>
> >> >> If your position is *that* weak
> >> >
> >> >My position and argument is very strong, and
> >> >it has revealed your belief in a supernatural
> >> >Goddess that compels you to pay homage to
> >> > it by eating meat as a sort of half-witted sacrifice.
> >> >It has also made you admit that the meatarian
> >> >arguments you promote are lies, and that my
> >> >vegan arguments are truthful.
> >>
> >> Your argument rides on false assumptions.
> >
> >I've got your own written admission, so they
> >aren't assumptions at all. Here they are;
> >
> >You do believe in a supernatural intelligence
> >which has been around for a long time:
> > "I *know* She's smarter than we are. She's been
> >around a *lot* longer."
> >
> >That 'it' has an intelligence greater than anyone's,
> >and is wise.
> >"And yes, She's smarter, or technically, wiser, than
> >I am. Anyone who claims to be wiser than She is a fool,
> >"meatarian" or not."
> >
> > That 'it' should be paid homage by the eating
> >of meat.
> >"Show Her a little more respect and have a hamburger fer
> >cryin' out loud."
> >
> >The reason for this is because 'it' doesn't like my vegan
> >diet.
> >"She's merely the result of unnumerable random
> >events, and She doesn't like your diet."
> >
> >And so, as a direct result from these beliefs you want
> >farm animals to be born because 'it' is smarter
> >than you are.
> >"I want them to be born because Ma Nature is smarter
> >than I am."
> >
> >And also, we have this admission too (below)
> >where you said you'll stand by your stated belief
> >in a Goddess that compels you to eat meat.
> >
> >[start me]
> >> > You believe that your understanding
> >> > of this Goddess you metaphorically call 'Ma Nature'
> >> > compels you pay homage to 'her' by eating meat,
> >> > and your own words are crystal clear in showing
> >> > this belief;
> >> > "Show Her a little more respect and have a hamburger
> >> > fer cryin' out loud."
> >> > Swamp. Date: 2003-06-29
> >>
> >> ok, I'll stand by that.
> >[end]
> >
> >My argument isn't based on assumption. It's
> >based on your quotes and confessions. You
> >can't escape what you wrote. I'll see to that.
>
> Your argument is based on your inability to understand sarcasm or
> metaphors.
>
No, it isn't. You've admitted your screwed up beliefs
and said you'll stand by them. What part in that are
you having the problem understanding, and how many
more times are you going to lie?

> >> Once you add in the facts
> >> that I haven't attacked vegans for their beliefs but for their
> >> denials, and that I don't believe in supernatural Goddesses,
> >
> >You have confessed your beliefs in it and said
> >you'll "stand by that." The evidence is undeniable.
> >
> >> your "argument" crumbles.
> >>
> >You haven't got a clue. I'm going to kick your
> >arse.
>
> Dream on, o metaphor impaired one.
>
A metaphor is something which is conceived to
represent something else, and whatever metaphor
you're using to represent this intelligence you believe
in is fine by me. Ma Nature, Goddess, they're all
as stupid as each other.

> >> >[start Derek]
> >> >> > Priceless! In all this I've exposed you as a
> >> >> > meatarian holding a daft religious belief and
> >> >> > a liar all in one.
> >> >> >
> >> >> [Swamp]
> >> >> Fine, but this "meatarian liar's" arguments make
> >> >> more sense than your "truthful veg*n" ones
> >> >> regardless of how you play it, and *that's* why
> >> >> you're stuck.
> >> >[end]
> >> >Date 9th July 2003
> >> >
> >> >After that surprise confession I asked, "Now that
> >> >you've confessed to being a "meatarian liar", what
> >> >other meatarian lies do you consider make more
> >> >sense that the "truthful vegan ones"?
> >>
> >> You, my friend, have severe sarcasm and metaphor impediments, which
> >> are perhaps why you're the only one who ridiculously argues that I
> >> believe Ma Nature anything more than a figure of speech. However, I
> >> shall continue to invoke Her Name because it annoys you.
> >>
> >You haven't invoked her name since I started
> >clobbering you over the head with 'her'. In fact
> >you've been trying to distance yourself from
> >'her' as far as you can, so don't give any of that
> >kind of bullshit, bog.
>
> Bullshit is Ma Nature's doing, too. You seem to have been heavily
> blessed by Her in this department.
>
My quoting your own words and confessions isn't
bullshit.

> >> >You didn't answer that either, so why do you
> >> >lie by writing, "You haven't asked a question",
> >> >bog?
> >>
> >> You have yet to ask a valid question in this thread.
> >
> >You wrote, "You haven't asked a question.", but
> >you're now moving the goalposts to try escaping
> >the fact that you lied by adding the term "valid" in
> >your defence.
>
> Whatever. You haven't asked a question, period.
>
You're still lying on this point as well because I've
shown you the evidence that I asked you several.

> >> You're simply making assertions
> >
> >The quotes are all yours, bog. I'm not simply
> >asserting you wrote those confessions; I'm
> >stating it as fact, and I have the proof to back
> >it up.
>
> You should see a doctor about your little impairment.

Everyone can see you're lying, bog. Those quotes
are all yours, and they show that it is you which
holds the irrational beliefs round here, not the vegan.

"Derek" <dereknash.RemoveThis@btopenworld.com> wrote
[..]
> A metaphor is something which is conceived to
> represent something else, and whatever metaphor
> you're using to represent this intelligence you believe
> in is fine by me. Ma Nature, Goddess, they're all
> as stupid as each other.

So this whole attack is based the premise that there is no inherent
intelligence in nature? What do you believe, that life just happens
randomly? If so, where do animal rights come from?