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Since: Jul 24, 2003 Posts: 50
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:53 pm
Post subject: Stop The Slaughter Archived from groups: alt>animals, others (more info?)
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Since: Nov 13, 2003 Posts: 354
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:37 pm
Post subject: Re: Stop The Slaughter [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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ANC Webmaster wrote:
> Many U.S. horses are brutally killed in U.S. slaughterhouses to be served on
> dinner plates in Europe and Asia. And we are letting it happen, through our
> silence.
<snip broken link>
Most of those horses are old, sick, or injured. Euthanizing an animal
still costs money, unless it's DIY with a bullet. While shooting one's
own horse is something some people can manage, many others cannot.
Hiring a vet to do it will run about $250. Hiring a backhoe to bury it
will run about another $100. So it's about $350 out of pocket. Selling
the horse to the slaughterhouse brings in money, say $500 in the pocket.
Such small sums do matter, particularly in small farming/ranching
operations. If you had a bottom line to consider and a horse that was a
drain on resources, which end of that $850 spread would you take?
Equine slaughterhouses solve two strong demands. Even if you can reduce
by half the demand for horsemeat, there will still be many horse owners
who need a way to dispose of their old, useless, lame animals.
Shutting down the slaughterhouses only leads to blackmarkets for those
who want horsemeat. Banning slaughter operations will only increase the
likelihood and frequency of sound, healthy horses being slaughtered for
food rather than old, weak ones. The biggest source of meat will be from
stolen animals because quality becomes an even more important factor to
consumers forced to pay blackmarket prices.
Many times when "symptomatic relief" is sought, the solutions offered
are actually worse than the problem. Shipping horses even further on
crowded trucks, trains, or ships to Mexico or Argentina is even less
humane. Nevermind shipping horses where it's illegal to slaughter them
and where "back alley" blackmarket conditions prevail.
If you really care about the welfare of horses, it's far better to
prevent blackmarket conditions which would result in the slaughter of
much healthier horses. Even as distasteful as it seems, the
slaughterhouses may be the most acceptable interim solution until demand
for horsemeat is reduced.
Beltex and Dallas Crown Packaging operate the two horse slaughterhouses
in Texas. Feel free to write their headquarters in Belgium. And don't
forget to petition the EU to work on reducing European demand for horsemeat. >> Stay informed about: Stop The Slaughter |
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Since: Nov 25, 2003 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:38 pm
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"usual suspect" <support DeleteThis @our.troops> wrote in message
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> ANC Webmaster wrote:
> > Many U.S. horses are brutally killed in U.S. slaughterhouses to be
served on
> > dinner plates in Europe and Asia. And we are letting it happen, through
our
> > silence.
> <snip broken link>
>
> Most of those horses are old, sick, or injured. Euthanizing an animal
> still costs money, unless it's DIY with a bullet. While shooting one's
> own horse is something some people can manage, many others cannot.
> Hiring a vet to do it will run about $250. Hiring a backhoe to bury it
> will run about another $100. So it's about $350 out of pocket. Selling
> the horse to the slaughterhouse brings in money, say $500 in the pocket.
> Such small sums do matter, particularly in small farming/ranching
> operations. If you had a bottom line to consider and a horse that was a
> drain on resources, which end of that $850 spread would you take?
>
> Equine slaughterhouses solve two strong demands. Even if you can reduce
> by half the demand for horsemeat, there will still be many horse owners
> who need a way to dispose of their old, useless, lame animals.
>
> Shutting down the slaughterhouses only leads to blackmarkets for those
> who want horsemeat. Banning slaughter operations will only increase the
> likelihood and frequency of sound, healthy horses being slaughtered for
> food rather than old, weak ones. The biggest source of meat will be from
> stolen animals because quality becomes an even more important factor to
> consumers forced to pay blackmarket prices.
>
> Many times when "symptomatic relief" is sought, the solutions offered
> are actually worse than the problem. Shipping horses even further on
> crowded trucks, trains, or ships to Mexico or Argentina is even less
> humane. Nevermind shipping horses where it's illegal to slaughter them
> and where "back alley" blackmarket conditions prevail.
>
> If you really care about the welfare of horses, it's far better to
> prevent blackmarket conditions which would result in the slaughter of
> much healthier horses. Even as distasteful as it seems, the
> slaughterhouses may be the most acceptable interim solution until demand
> for horsemeat is reduced.
>
> Beltex and Dallas Crown Packaging operate the two horse slaughterhouses
> in Texas. Feel free to write their headquarters in Belgium. And don't
> forget to petition the EU to work on reducing European demand for
horsemeat.
By all means, and don't forget to exclude the UK from the petition.
The bleeding frogs will eat anything that moves, the wops come a close
second.
But the real guilty party is the US for allowing this disgusting trade to
proliferate in Texas.
Racist Ray.
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Since: Oct 26, 2003 Posts: 313
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2003 9:06 am
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pearl wrote:
> "ta" <ta33.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:T9nAb.1674$rG.1335@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
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>>"pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
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>>>"usual suspect" <support.RemoveThis@our.troops> wrote in message
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>>news:EUHzb.83519$do1.77887@twister.austin.rr.com...
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>>>Go support your troops, a$$*oil liar.
>>The Soldiers At My Front Door
>>author: John Dear
>>John Dear is a Catholic priest, peace activist, lecturer, and former
>>executive director of the Fellowship of Reconciliation. His latest books
>>include "Mohandas Gandhi" (Orbis) and "Mary of Nazareth, Prophet of Peace"
>>(Ave Maria Press). For info, see. www.johndear.org.
Here's another of those Christian witnesses that Usual likes to
dismiss. They are far more numerous, far more brave, and far
more in the living tradition of our Lord and the Holy Spirit than
the animal-killing, warmongering types Usual supports.
And he lives in Northern New Mexico. A neighbor of mine.
Good man.
Rat
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Since: Nov 13, 2003 Posts: 354
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:20 pm
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Rat & Swan wrote:
>>> The Soldiers At My Front Door
>>> author: John Dear
>>> John Dear is a Catholic priest, peace activist, lecturer, and former
>>> executive director of the Fellowship of Reconciliation. His latest books
>>> include "Mohandas Gandhi" (Orbis) and "Mary of Nazareth, Prophet of
>>> Peace"
>>> (Ave Maria Press). For info, see. www.johndear.org.
>
> Here's another of those Christian witnesses that Usual likes to
> dismiss.
Quasi-Christian, at best. Social activism is not evangelism. Stop
confusing the two.
> They are far more numerous, far more brave, and far
> more in the living tradition of our Lord and the Holy Spirit
Ipse dixit. Your "living tradition" is borne of radical and marginalized
fantasy, not history or Scripture. You raise the issue of "far more
numerous": why is your denomination shrinking while the charismatics and
Baptists are seeing growth?
> than
> the animal-killing, warmongering types Usual supports.
Er, where have I given you any indication that I subscribe to such a
theology? My theology is neutral when it comes to war: or as the writer
of Ecclesiastes (chapter 3) put it, "A time for war, and a time for
peace." When someone intentionally crashes jet airliners into our office
buildings and threatening worse acts on me and my neighbors, I realize
it's not a time for peace. Pacifism at such a time is suicidal, not
"Christian."
> And he lives in Northern New Mexico. A neighbor of mine.
>
> Good man.
Bad theologian, though. Par for the course. >> Stay informed about: Stop The Slaughter |
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