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Tarus Bulba

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:58 pm
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"dandan" <lindah1993.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> If people kill cows, sheep, chickens, turkeys and pigs, for luxury
> goods, if they kill only the baby as 3 month old, and skin them alive
> and in front of their mothers, I am strongly againts that just as I
> feel for seals.
>
Yeah, but you'll still wear that nifty pair of calfskin gloves, won't ya?

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:03 pm
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"pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
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> "dandan" <lindah1993.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Blame the seals for cod stock is definately not right.
>>
>> The population of seals recently goes up from very low because around
>> 50 and 60, they hunt too many seals which almost become endangered, so

There are MILLIONS of seals. They have never been endangered.

>> If killing animals is necessary, at least do that with much mercy as we
>> can. Skining animal alive and killing babies in front their nursing
>> mothers, no matter right or wrong of the decision of sealing is, just

That is not done except by accident or idiocy. You think the animals kiled
lin your slaughterhouses for food are killed humanely in every single case?
Think again.

>> I actually wonder if Canadian people (not a few fishmen and business
>> men and polititians) know what is going on their ice today,

As opposed to some dumbass Eurotrash dillitante who's seen a propoganda
(fund raising) film from the IFAW

> ' Chris Cutter was sitting in a restaurant Monday on Prince Edward
> Island when a waitress asked him about seals. Cutter, who works
> for the International Fund for Animal Welfare, was wearing an
> IFAW coat with a seal logo and was easily identified as an anti-sealer.

And he was served? And no one ran him down with their truck?
\
> Yes, in case you don't know or merely forgot, the annual spring seal
> hunt is still going strong in Atlantic Canada.

Good. There's too many goodam sheep here.

However, on behalf of all Canadians, I will agree to pay to have, oh, say,
four or five million of them scooped up and dropped off your coast. I'm sure
you'll be happy to see them there safe and sound.

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:13 pm
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> There are MILLIONS of seals. They have never been endangered.
-- They were many animals in this world used to be millions, now gone,
if you know a little bit about nature history.
-- Why Canada lower quota during 90s?

> That is not done except by accident or idiocy. You think the animals
kiled
> lin your slaughterhouses for food are killed humanely in every single
case?
> Think again.
>
-- I am against that, are you?

> As opposed to some dumbass Eurotrash dillitante who's seen a
propoganda
> (fund raising) film from the IFAW
>
-- I researched on other websites including those seal hunter
defenders. All you guys can say is "There are millions of them",
nothing new.

>
> However, on behalf of all Canadians, I will agree to pay to have, oh,
say,
> four or five million of them scooped up and dropped off your coast.
I'm sure
> you'll be happy to see them there safe and sound.
-- Have you check all Canadians, do they agree with that? By the way,
that coast is not your coast, is the weather there too cold for you?
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 3:04 pm
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Tarus Bulba wrote:
> "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
> news:d199us$er4$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> > "dandan" <lindah1993.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1110846855.626206.305290@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >> Blame the seals for cod stock is definately not right.
> >>
> >> The population of seals recently goes up from very low because
around
> >> 50 and 60, they hunt too many seals which almost become
endangered, so
>
> There are MILLIONS of seals. They have never been endangered.
>
> >> If killing animals is necessary, at least do that with much mercy
as we
> >> can. Skining animal alive and killing babies in front their
nursing
> >> mothers, no matter right or wrong of the decision of sealing is,
just
>
> That is not done except by accident or idiocy. You think the animals
kiled
> lin your slaughterhouses for food are killed humanely in every single
case?
> Think again.
>
> >> I actually wonder if Canadian people (not a few fishmen and
business
> >> men and polititians) know what is going on their ice today,
>
> As opposed to some dumbass Eurotrash dillitante who's seen a
propoganda
> (fund raising) film from the IFAW
>
> > ' Chris Cutter was sitting in a restaurant Monday on Prince Edward
> > Island when a waitress asked him about seals. Cutter, who works
> > for the International Fund for Animal Welfare, was wearing an
> > IFAW coat with a seal logo and was easily identified as an
anti-sealer.
>
> And he was served? And no one ran him down with their truck?
> \
> > Yes, in case you don't know or merely forgot, the annual spring
seal
> > hunt is still going strong in Atlantic Canada.
>
> Good. There's too many goodam sheep here.
>
> However, on behalf of all Canadians, I will agree to pay to have, oh,
say,
> four or five million of them scooped up and dropped off your coast.
I'm sure
> you'll be happy to see them there safe and sound.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:45 pm
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By Rebecca Aldworth

MONTREAL – Right now, seals are giving birth to their pups on the
ice floes off Canada's East Coast. The seal nursery that forms is one
of the greatest wildlife spectacles on Earth. The sun gleams across icy
landscapes and open water, the only sounds are the soft cries of the
newborn seals. In this magical scene, serene mother seals lie contentedly
and peacefully with their nursing pups.

It is a sight that tourists from across the globe pay thousands of dollars
for the privilege of witnessing - one that brings substantial revenue to
coastal communities in eastern Canada.

But just days later, the peace of the ice is shattered as seal hunters
descend on the defenseless pups, and the nursery is turned into an
open-air slaughterhouse.

Beginning in the last week of March, hundreds of thousands of seal
pups will be clubbed and shot to death in Canada's annual commercial
seal hunt. It is an industrial-scale slaughter that targets the animals for
their fur, and leaves their carcasses to rot on the ice. With more than
300,000 pups allowed to be killed this year, it has become the largest
slaughter of marine mammals on earth.

Though while I was growing up in a Newfoundland fishing community,
like most Canadians, I never saw the seal hunt. The slaughter of harp
and hooded seals is something that occurs far offshore on the ice floes
- well away from the eyes of the public.

But for the past six years, I have traveled to the ice floes and observed
the seal hunt at close range.

The majority of the seals killed are less than one month old; these pups,
newly separated from their mothers, are defenseless and have no escape.
And they are treated brutally. In 2001, an independent team of
veterinarians was escorted to the ice floes by the International Fund for
Animal Welfare. They studied Canada's commercial seal hunt at close
range. Their report concluded that up to 42 percent of the seals they
studied had probably been skinned alive while conscious - a clear
violation of Canada's criminal code and marine mammal regulations that
govern the hunt.

The violent images of the hunt - gunshots, clubbings, and the sounds of
animals in pain - are vivid memories I can never erase. I carry them with
me as I work to end this slaughter. And it is my hope that goal is finally
within reach.

Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by a few thousand fishermen
from Canada's East Coast. According to media reports and government
data, they make, on average, only 5 percent of their total incomes from
sealing - the rest comes from commercial fisheries.

When the first pup is clubbed or shot to death on the ice at the end of
March, the Humane Society of the United States, with a network of
powerful organizations that includes the Massachusetts Society for the
Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and the Born Free Foundation, will
launch a global boycott of Canadian seafood.

We are asking Americans not to buy Canadian seafood products, such
as snow crabs, until the commercial seal hunt is ended for good.
American consumers can easily identify Canadian seafood products,
which are labeled clearly in all major grocery stores.

Such a boycott - if well supported - would show the Canadian government
and fishing industry that continuing the seal hunt is not worth the potential
impact of this campaign.

As I and many others leave for the ice floes next week to again bear
witness to this slaughter, we are asking Americans to stand with the
Humane Society of the United States in our campaign to save the seals.

Together, we can put this cruel, outdated slaughter back into the history
books where it belongs.

• Rebecca Aldworth is director of Canadian wildlife issues for the
Humane Society of the United States.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0318/p09s01-coop.html


Seal Hunt Facts Canada Doesn't Want You to Know

Canada's Seal Hunt: "Unacceptably Inhumane"

"The Canadian government insists that the seal hunt is an animal
production industry like any other. They say that it might not be
pretty, but basically it is just like any abattoir except on the ice.
But we found obvious levels of suffering which would not be
tolerated in any other animal industry in the world."
Ian Robinson, British Veterinarian

Two separate veterinary reports that studied the 2001 seal hunt,
one commissioned by the Canadian government, show numerous
instances where animals were clubbed or shot and not rendered
immediately unconscious.
............
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=85064

True Confessions: Sealers Testify to the Cruelty of the Hunt
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=85070

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) About the Seal Hunt
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=85075

The Dangers of The Commercial Seal Trade
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=85076
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:17 am
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"pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
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> By Rebecca Aldworth
>
> MONTREAL – Right now, seals are giving birth to their pups on the
> ice floes off Canada's East Coast. The seal nursery that forms is one
> of the greatest wildlife spectacles on Earth. The sun gleams across icy
> landscapes and open water, the only sounds are the soft cries of the
> newborn seals. In this magical scene, serene mother seals lie contentedly
> and peacefully with their nursing pups.

Who would otherwise grow up to deplete ocean fish stocks. Get a grip woman,
they aint cute, and they ain;'t worth your concerns. prove me wrong!

me
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:51 am
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"zolota" <zolota3.DeleteThis@REMOVEshaw.ca> wrote in message news:QC90e.761929$6l.473121@pd7tw2no...
>
> "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
> news:d1nf8q$aom$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> > By Rebecca Aldworth
> >
> > MONTREAL – Right now, seals are giving birth to their pups on the
> > ice floes off Canada's East Coast. The seal nursery that forms is one
> > of the greatest wildlife spectacles on Earth. The sun gleams across icy
> > landscapes and open water, the only sounds are the soft cries of the
> > newborn seals. In this magical scene, serene mother seals lie contentedly
> > and peacefully with their nursing pups.
>
> Who would otherwise grow up to deplete ocean fish stocks. Get a grip woman,
> they aint cute, and they ain;'t worth your concerns. prove me wrong!
>
> me

No cod? Blame the seals!
Thu 24 February 2005
CANADA/Newfoundland

As warnings from nature go they don't come much starker than the
collapse of the Canadian cod fishery in Newfoundland due to overfishing.
The cod, and thousands of jobs that depended on them, disappeared
virtually overnight. Now because the cod stocks have failed to recover,
seals are being blamed and hunted in record numbers.

Why did one of the world's most productive fishing grounds collapse?
Why were there seemingly plenty of cod one year and none the next?
How come more seals are being killed? The answer is a mix of history,
greed and one bad decision after another.
........
http://www.greenpeace.org/international_en/features/details?item%5fid=754574

Stop Canada's Cruel and Senseless Seal Hunt!
Target: The Canadian Parliament
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/370512755?z00m=21459&z00m=21...&ltl=11
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:12 pm
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In <cvnikh$iii$1@reader01.news.esat.net> pearl wrote:
>
> Stop Canada's Cruel And Senseless Baby Seal Hunt
> ThePetitionSite.com


Well Pearl. Thank you for your concern and I for one will not be
signing this petition.


--
Cheers

Dennis

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(Msg. 39) Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:01 am
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"pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
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> "zolota" <zolota3.TakeThisOut@REMOVEshaw.ca> wrote in message
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>>
>> "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
>> news:d1nf8q$aom$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> > By Rebecca Aldworth
>> >
>> > MONTREAL – Right now, seals are giving birth to their pups on the
>> > ice floes off Canada's East Coast. The seal nursery that forms is one
>> > of the greatest wildlife spectacles on Earth. The sun gleams across icy
>> > landscapes and open water, the only sounds are the soft cries of the
>> > newborn seals. In this magical scene, serene mother seals lie
>> > contentedly
>> > and peacefully with their nursing pups.
>>
>> Who would otherwise grow up to deplete ocean fish stocks. Get a grip
>> woman,
>> they aint cute, and they ain;'t worth your concerns. prove me wrong!
>>
>> me
>
> No cod? Blame the seals!
> Thu 24 February 2005
> CANADA/Newfoundland
>
> As warnings from nature go they don't come much starker than the
> collapse of the Canadian cod fishery in Newfoundland due to overfishing.
> The cod, and thousands of jobs that depended on them, disappeared
> virtually overnight. Now because the cod stocks have failed to recover,
> seals are being blamed and hunted in record numbers.
>
> Why did one of the world's most productive fishing grounds collapse?
> Why were there seemingly plenty of cod one year and none the next?
> How come more seals are being killed? The answer is a mix of history,
> greed and one bad decision after another.
> .......
> http://www.greenpeace.org/international_en/features/details?item%5fid=754574
>
> Stop Canada's Cruel and Senseless Seal Hunt!
> Target: The Canadian Parliament
> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/370512755?z00m=21459&z00m=21...&ltl=11
>
>
>

When the hunt was banned years ago because seal pups were cute there were
1.5 million seals on Canada's Atlantic coast. Today there are 5 million.
Each one eats a tonne of fish a year. That's 5 million tonnes of fish. Your
own quote puts the peak of human fishing at 800,000 tonnes in a year way
back in 1968, 38 years ago. Seems logical to me that as the seal's
consumption rose from 1.5 million tonnes to 5,000,000 tonnes the cod stocks
collapsed. One idiot like you even went so far as to say that there are only
seals where there are fish, so the seals obviously could not cause stocks to
dissappear. Seals are smart enough to avoid places where they would starve.



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(Msg. 40) Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:03 pm
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> >> "pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
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> >> > By Rebecca Aldworth
> >> >
> >> > MONTREAL – Right now, seals are giving birth to their pups on the
> >> > ice floes off Canada's East Coast. The seal nursery that forms is one
> >> > of the greatest wildlife spectacles on Earth. The sun gleams across icy
> >> > landscapes and open water, the only sounds are the soft cries of the
> >> > newborn seals. In this magical scene, serene mother seals lie
> >> > contentedly
> >> > and peacefully with their nursing pups.
> >>
> >> Who would otherwise grow up to deplete ocean fish stocks. Get a grip
> >> woman,
> >> they aint cute, and they ain;'t worth your concerns. prove me wrong!
> >>
> >> me
> >
> > No cod? Blame the seals!
> > Thu 24 February 2005
> > CANADA/Newfoundland
> >
> > As warnings from nature go they don't come much starker than the
> > collapse of the Canadian cod fishery in Newfoundland due to overfishing.
> > The cod, and thousands of jobs that depended on them, disappeared
> > virtually overnight. Now because the cod stocks have failed to recover,
> > seals are being blamed and hunted in record numbers.
> >
> > Why did one of the world's most productive fishing grounds collapse?
> > Why were there seemingly plenty of cod one year and none the next?
> > How come more seals are being killed? The answer is a mix of history,
> > greed and one bad decision after another.
> > .......
> > http://www.greenpeace.org/international_en/features/details?item%5fid=754574
> >
> > Stop Canada's Cruel and Senseless Seal Hunt!
> > Target: The Canadian Parliament
> > http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/370512755?z00m=21459&z00m=21...&ltl=11
> >
> >
> >
>
> When the hunt was banned years ago because seal pups were cute there were
> 1.5 million seals on Canada's Atlantic coast. Today there are 5 million.
> Each one eats a tonne of fish a year. That's 5 million tonnes of fish. Your
> own quote puts the peak of human fishing at 800,000 tonnes in a year way
> back in 1968, 38 years ago. Seems logical to me that as the seal's
> consumption rose from 1.5 million tonnes to 5,000,000 tonnes the cod stocks
> collapsed. One idiot like you even went so far as to say that there are only
> seals where there are fish, so the seals obviously could not cause stocks to
> dissappear. Seals are smart enough to avoid places where they would starve.

Seals and cod have thrived for millions of years! What happened?

'The Newfoundland Grand Banks, off the east coast of Canada, used
to be famous as amazingly productive fishing grounds. The first European
explorers described the waters as being so full of cod you just had to
lower a basket into the water to bring up it up full of cod. In the centuries
that followed, abundant fish stocks drew many people to Newfoundland.
Small inshore boats took sustainable amounts of cod for centuries up to
the 1950s. The bounty of the Grand Banks was enough for local and
small-scale fishing and a healthy population of millions of harp seals.

Invasion of the fishing factories

All this changed for the worse during the 1950 and 60's. Technological
advances in trawler design and power were modelled on the factory
whaling ships that had devastated the last remaining whale populations.
These huge factory trawlers came from distant countries attracted by
the seemingly endless bounty of the fishery. With huge nets they could
hoover up massive quantities of fish, quickly processing and
deep-freezing the catch, working around the clock in all but the worst
weather conditions. In an hour they can haul up as much as 200 tons
of fish, twice as much as a typical 16th century ship would have caught
in an entire season.
.....
The simplistic claim that seals eat too many cod is the same flawed
argument (whales are eating too much fish) that whaling nations now
use to call for the resumption of commercial whaling. Checking a few
simple facts exposes this sham. Cod make up only about 3 percent
of the average harp seal's diet. That diet also includes species that
eat young cod. There is no science to back the claim that seals are
preventing the recovery of the cod. In 1995, 97 scientists signed a
petition on the subject: "All scientific efforts to find an effect of seal
predation on Canadian groundfish stocks have failed to show any
impact. Overfishing remains the only scientifically demonstrated
conservation problem related to fish stock collapse."

The human greed that caused the collapse of the cod fishery should
not be an excuse to start pushing another species in the same
ecosystem to dangerously low levels, especially when no one knows
for sure what effects this will have.

You don't manage an ecosystem by beating it to death.

http://www.greenpeace.org/international_en/features/details?item%5fid=754574

Take action:

Sign IFAW's million signature petition against sealing.
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=89072

More info:

Detailed info on the collapse of the Canadian cod fishery.
http://archive.greenpeace.org/comms/cbio/cancod.html

Scientific quotes against the misleading seals eat cod argument.
http://www.gan.ca/en/campaigns/wildlife/sealhunt/factsheets/seals_and_cod.htm

How "Factory Fishing" Decimated Newfoundland Cod.
http://www.emagazine.com/view/?507

Related stories:

Bad science: harp seals' future on thin ice
2005-03-10 | News
http://www.greenpeace.org/international_en/news/details?item_id=778968

Canadian harp seal hunt: largest ever
2004-04-14 | News
http://www.greenpeace.org/international_en/news/details?item_id=455020

Is there a cod?
2003-04-15 | News
http://www.greenpeace.org/international_en/news/details?item_id=213525
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