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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:22 am
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"pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
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> "Margaret Robinson" <margaret.robinson.RemoveThis@utoronto.ca> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Ray" <ray.RemoveThis@syntex.com> wrote in message
> > news:cvo349$3l6$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> >
> > > I wonder how many Canadian's actually condone this carnage? My bet is
a
> > high percentage.
> >
> > You lose your bet. You have no understanding of Canadian politics.
> >
> > Margaret
>
> 'Polling shows 71% of Canadians-including 60% of Atlantic Canadians
> -support banning the seal hunt outright, or limiting the hunt to seals
over
> one year of age. (Ipsos-Reid, 2004). '..
>
> '..
> Sealers are fishermen. Seal hunting is what they do during the
> off-season in coastal Newfoundland and Quebec. Each
> fisherman/sealer earns about one twentieth of his annual income
> from sealing. Out of a population of more than 30 million people,
> less than 5,000 Canadians participate in the commercial seal hunt
> each year.
>
> Sealing accounts for a tiny fraction of the value of the fishery.
> Even in Newfoundland, where 90% of sealers live, the economic
> contribution of the seal hunt is marginal at best. Ninety-eight
> percent of the landed value of Newfoundland's fishery comes
> from fish, while only 2% comes from seals. It is important to
> note that Newfoundland's fishery has never been wealthier in
> its history, and that the growth is due largely to shellfish.
> ..
>
> Fast Facts about Canada's Seal Hunt
>
> It's a cruel slaughter.



It is a very necesary tool to prevent the total annihilation of fish stocks
by an over population of seals. Harvesting seals is not any different than
raising pigs or cattle for meat.
Of coarse it is also amusing to watch some fanatics rant about how
animals should have even more rights than humans. And the fur is so
soft.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:31 am
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"rick" <stop.TakeThisOut@stop.net> wrote in message news:mTJUd.282$L17.196@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
> news:cvuuo8$2jq$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
<..>
> > I personally respect all life. But..
> =================
> No, you don't.

PO, troll.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:31 am
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"Ron" <ro_is.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote in message news:ro_is-C4B958.11330528022005@news.isp.giganews.com...
> In article <cvuuo8$2jq$1@reader01.news.esat.net>,
> "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>
> > I personally respect all life.

What part of that are you having difficulty with, Ron?

> But..

--partial restore--
"People have assumed intelligence is linked to the ability to suffer,
and that because animals have smaller brains they suffer less than
humans. That is a pathetic piece of logic."
--

> I find it interesting though that my post was about the favouritsm in
> advocacy for some animals over others whereas, your post was about cows
> having emotions.

And the rest..

> I even pointed out the mass die off of vultures that according the
> article is linked to human activities and you bypassed that entirely.

*Suggest you re-read my previous post.*

I really don't have time for your philosophical meanderings at present.

Maybe some ARA who doesn't respect ALL life will take it up with you.

<snip>
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Ron

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:31 am
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In article <d01joc$sp8$1@reader01.news.esat.net>,
"pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote:

> "Ron" <ro_is DeleteThis @home.com> wrote in message
> news:ro_is-C4B958.11330528022005@news.isp.giganews.com...
> > In article <cvuuo8$2jq$1@reader01.news.esat.net>,
> > "pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> >
> > > I personally respect all life.
>
> What part of that are you having difficulty with, Ron?

As I pointed out, there is a disconnect between the statement and the
evidence in support of that statement. I've noted that you will argue
passionately on this issue, but i also notice that you are selective
about the species and where you advocate and even how you advocate.

> > But..
>
> --partial restore--
> "People have assumed intelligence is linked to the ability to suffer,
> and that because animals have smaller brains they suffer less than
> humans. That is a pathetic piece of logic."
> --
>
> > I find it interesting though that my post was about the favouritsm in
> > advocacy for some animals over others whereas, your post was about cows
> > having emotions.
>
> And the rest..
>
> > I even pointed out the mass die off of vultures that according the
> > article is linked to human activities and you bypassed that entirely.
>
> *Suggest you re-read my previous post.*
>
> I really don't have time for your philosophical meanderings at present.
>
> Maybe some ARA who doesn't respect ALL life will take it up with you.
>
> <snip>
>
>
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:32 am
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"Sparky" <his.DeleteThis@spam.net> wrote in message news:XAOUd.4114$h06.636951@monger.newsread.com...
>
> "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
> news:cvurio$1j7$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
<..>
> > Fast Facts about Canada's Seal Hunt
> >
> > It's a cruel slaughter.
>
>
>
> It is a very necesary tool to prevent the total annihilation of fish stocks

BS. Get a clue.

<..>
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rick

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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:24 pm
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"pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
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> "rick" <stop.DeleteThis@stop.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
>> news:cvuuo8$2jq$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> <..>
>> > I personally respect all life. But..
>> =================
>> No, you don't.
>
> PO, troll.
================
LOL Again, like everything else, you have no idea as to the
meaning of the word.

Come on, prove that you respect all life, killer.


>
>
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:50 am
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"Ron" <homo RemoveThis @home.com> wrote in message news:homo-03A878.07433001032005@news.isp.giganews.com...
> In article <d01joc$sp8$1@reader01.news.esat.net>,
> "pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>
> > "Ron" <ro_is RemoveThis @home.com> wrote in message
> > news:ro_is-C4B958.11330528022005@news.isp.giganews.com...
> > > In article <cvuuo8$2jq$1@reader01.news.esat.net>,
> > > "pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I personally respect all life.
> >
> > What part of that are you having difficulty with, Ron?
>
> As I pointed out, there is a disconnect between the statement and the
> evidence in support of that statement. I've noted that you will argue
> passionately on this issue, but i also notice that you are selective
> about the species and where you advocate and even how you advocate.

Must be what you choose to notice. You are wrong.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:50 am
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In article <d045o3$lu1$1@reader01.news.esat.net>,
"pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:

> "Ron" <homo.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote in message
> news:homo-03A878.07433001032005@news.isp.giganews.com...
> > In article <d01joc$sp8$1@reader01.news.esat.net>,
> > "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> >
> > > "Ron" <ro_is.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ro_is-C4B958.11330528022005@news.isp.giganews.com...
> > > > In article <cvuuo8$2jq$1@reader01.news.esat.net>,
> > > > "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I personally respect all life.
> > >
> > > What part of that are you having difficulty with, Ron?
> >
> > As I pointed out, there is a disconnect between the statement and the
> > evidence in support of that statement. I've noted that you will argue
> > passionately on this issue, but i also notice that you are selective
> > about the species and where you advocate and even how you advocate.
>
> Must be what you choose to notice. You are wrong.

I clearly stated the examples/evidence that lead me to this conclusion.
I think it would be fair then for you to cite examples that would cause
me to reconsider this conclusion.

I have been reading aaev for a brief time, but I see no evidence that
other animal species are being "cared about" to the same degree from you
or from anyone else who states a position of advocacy for animal rights.

The evidence seems to support my conclusion.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:47 pm
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pearl wrote:
> I personally respect all life.

No, you don't. You're a misanthrope. You despise most of the human race,
as is evident from your association with violent skinheads (you even
married one!).
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:10 pm
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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:47:48 GMT, usual suspect <support DeleteThis @our.troops>
wrote:

>pearl wrote:
>> I personally respect all life.
>
>No, you don't. You're a misanthrope. You despise most of the human race,
>as is evident from your association with violent skinheads (you even
>married one!).

They also have their own, convenient definition of life.

Why should seals not be slaughtered and harvested like other animals?
Because they're cute?
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:04 am
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> It is a very necesary tool to prevent the total annihilation of fish stocks
> by an over population of seals.

No cod? Blame the seals!

Thu 24 February 2005
CANADA/Newfoundland

As warnings from nature go they don't come much starker than the
collapse of the Canadian cod fishery in Newfoundland due to overfishing.
The cod, and thousands of jobs that depended on them, disappeared
virtually overnight. Now because the cod stocks have failed to recover,
seals are being blamed and hunted in record numbers.

Why did one of the world's most productive fishing grounds collapse?
Why were there seemingly plenty of cod one year and none the next?
How come more seals are being killed? The answer is a mix of history,
greed and one bad decision after another.
........
http://www.greenpeace.org/international_en/features/details?item%5fid=754574

Stop Canada's Cruel and Senseless Seal Hunt!
Target: The Canadian Parliament
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/370512755?z00m=21459&z00m=21...&ltl=11
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 4:34 pm
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Blame the seals for cod stock is definately not right.

The population of seals recently goes up from very low because around
50 and 60, they hunt too many seals which almost become endangered, so
they have to stop sealing at 90, even now, it is not the highest of
seal count in the history.
The reason of collapse of cod stock is not caused by seals, seals and
cod are in the sea for millions of years, nature balances it already. I
do agree there is collapse of cod stock, which is truely caused by
overfishing of human. Even we kill all seals, we will still finally eat
up all fish in the sea as what we are doing now.

I have to say, animal eating another animal for food is a nature, how
can you blame a tiger to eat a goat if it is hungry. But killing
animals for luxury good is different.

If killing animals is necessary, at least do that with much mercy as we
can. Skining animal alive and killing babies in front their nursing
mothers, no matter right or wrong of the decision of sealing is, just
by watching what they are doing, is that human, is that civilized? What
would we evolve millions of years to be? Sometimes it is not question
if we should do or could do, but it is the actually if we WOULD do. If
the fur looks beautiful, would you skin that animal alive for that?

I actually wonder if Canadian people (not a few fishmen and business
men and polititians) know what is going on their ice today, yesterday
and the day before yesterday and if Canadia people agree with that. Is
the government taking advantage of this unwareness of their people?
Before this question can be answered, that country used to be a great
country to me, but not any more and never!
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:14 am
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pearl wrote:
> "dandan" <lindah1993.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1110846855.626206.305290@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
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>>Blame the seals for cod stock is definately not right.
>>
>>The population of seals recently goes up from very low because around
>>50 and 60, they hunt too many seals which almost become endangered, so
>>they have to stop sealing at 90, even now, it is not the highest of
>>seal count in the history.
>>The reason of collapse of cod stock is not caused by seals, seals and
>>cod are in the sea for millions of years, nature balances it already. I
>>do agree there is collapse of cod stock, which is truely caused by
>>overfishing of human. Even we kill all seals, we will still finally eat
>>up all fish in the sea as what we are doing now.
>>
>>I have to say, animal eating another animal for food is a nature, how
>>can you blame a tiger to eat a goat if it is hungry. But killing
>>animals for luxury good is different.
>>
>>If killing animals is necessary, at least do that with much mercy as we
>>can. Skining animal alive and killing babies in front their nursing
>>mothers, no matter right or wrong of the decision of sealing is, just
>>by watching what they are doing, is that human, is that civilized? What
>>would we evolve millions of years to be? Sometimes it is not question
>>if we should do or could do, but it is the actually if we WOULD do. If
>>the fur looks beautiful, would you skin that animal alive for that?
>>
>>I actually wonder if Canadian people (not a few fishmen and business
>>men and polititians) know what is going on their ice today, yesterday
>>and the day before yesterday and if Canadia people agree with that. Is
>>the government taking advantage of this unwareness of their people?
>>Before this question can be answered, that country used to be a great
>>country to me, but not any more and never!
>
>
> Agreed, dandan.
>
> ' Chris Cutter was sitting in a restaurant Monday on Prince Edward
> Island when a waitress asked him about seals. Cutter, who works
> for the International Fund for Animal Welfare, was wearing an
> IFAW coat with a seal logo and was easily identified as an anti-sealer.
>
> The waitress was in her 30s and had lived her entire life in
> Charlottetown. She had no idea the seal hunt still went on, thinking
> it had ended years ago.
>
> "I know it is just one person, maybe an anomaly," Cutter said. "But I
> have had enough experiences like that to think there is something there.
>
> And this is in Atlantic Canada. I assume that fewer people know in
> Toronto."
>
> Yes, in case you don't know or merely forgot, the annual spring seal
> hunt is still going strong in Atlantic Canada.
> ...

and people are still eating cows, sheep, chickens, turkeys, and
pigs....and their numbers far surpass that of the seals.
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:27 am
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If people kill cows, sheep, chickens, turkeys and pigs, for luxury
goods, if they kill only the baby as 3 month old, and skin them alive
and in front of their mothers, I am strongly againts that just as I
feel for seals.
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:27 am
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If people kill cows, sheep, chickens, turkeys and pigs, for luxury
goods, if they kill only the baby as 3 month old, and skin them alive
and in front of their mothers, I am strongly againts that just as I
feel for seals.
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