Socializing a 2yo dog... need info on techniques

Getting his attention is nearly impossible, but I will keep at it.
One thing I have noticed is that PATIENCE is the key. I can only
imagine how much it is ME that is actually being trained!

I also need techniques for introducing him to other dogs. He is
aggressive, but one time I muzzled him and then turned him loose with
the neighbor's dog. After about 10 minutes I was able to remove the
muzzle and they did fine together. I was thinking about muzzling him
and then going to a dog park. I don't think he could injure any other
dogs with the muzzle on. I am really trying to find a positive way to
do this...
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dogtek spoke these words of wisdom in


> I recently got a dog at the local shelter. He is a lovable 2yo golden
> Lab (75lb). He is very sweet and smart. I am currently training him
> at home. Basic obedience using the food-lure method. It is working
> well. Unfortunately, he seems to be aggressive towards other dogs. I
> can't seem to get his attention whenever there are other dogs around.
> We live in the country. When I walk him down the road he is okay
> until we reach a yard with dogs. He basically loses all his wits and
> starts pulling and raising his hackles. It is really hard to regain
> control. Once he calms down he is fine again. HELP!

Take him to dog school where he works among other dogs and has to deal with
the distractions of other dogs and still obey.
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"dogtek" wrote in message

> Getting his attention is nearly impossible, but I will keep at it.
> One thing I have noticed is that PATIENCE is the key. I can only
> imagine how much it is ME that is actually being trained!
>
> I also need techniques for introducing him to other dogs. He is
> aggressive, but one time I muzzled him and then turned him loose with
> the neighbor's dog. After about 10 minutes I was able to remove the
> muzzle and they did fine together. I was thinking about muzzling him
> and then going to a dog park. I don't think he could injure any other
> dogs with the muzzle on. I am really trying to find a positive way to
> do this...


JMO, but I think it would be better to intruduce him to other dogs on a more
individual basis, rather than a dog park. I wouldn't do the 'dog park'
thing until he's already been socialized to the point where you feel he is
reliable. A rescue dog I have was a bit dog aggressive when we first got
her. She is a rottie mix. I kept her leashed when intruducing her to other
dogs, one at a time. As soon as she began to show any sort of aggression, I
corrected her. If necessary, I put her down on her side in submission,
until she was completely submissive. When necessary, I used a muzzle on her
with certain dogs only. Left the muzzle on until I felt like she understood
the connection between 'aggression and muzzle', keeping her onleash so I
could immediately correct her for any sort of behavior that wasn't
acceptable. There were a couple times, after I took the muzzle off, but
still had her leashed, that she would begain to get very alpha again. As
soon as I saw her do it, I told her NO, a couple times slapping that muzzle
back on her again. It didn't take too long for her to learn which of the
behaviors were negative and would result in the return of the muzzle. I
didn't let her off leash until I was certain she understood what all this
*meant*, cause and effect, until she understood that she was not to attack
the other dog.

td


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"dogtek" wrote in message

> Getting his attention is nearly impossible, but I will keep at it.
> One thing I have noticed is that PATIENCE is the key. I can only
> imagine how much it is ME that is actually being trained!
>
> I also need techniques for introducing him to other dogs. He is
> aggressive, but one time I muzzled him and then turned him loose with
> the neighbor's dog. After about 10 minutes I was able to remove the
> muzzle and they did fine together. I was thinking about muzzling him
> and then going to a dog park. I don't think he could injure any other
> dogs with the muzzle on. I am really trying to find a positive way to
> do this...
>

Some dogs just aren't cut out to be in the dog park, no matter how much they
are socialized with other dogs.

Perhaps a local basic obedience class would help you develop skills and give
you the opportunity to work around the distraction of other dogs?
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HOWEDY dogtek,

"dogtek" wrote in message
1192651280.704358.31010.RemoveThis@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> In response to Jerry Howe -
> Wow. I can't decide if you are trying to help me or not -

That all depends on you, dogtek. If you WANT the very beast
for your dog you'll carefully follow my instructions and ignore
the pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk thug
coward active accute chronic life long incurable malignant
manic depressive sado masochistic mental cases whom I've
IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED an DISCREDITED by POSTING
their own CASE HISTORIES of ABYSMAL LIES, DISMAL
FAILURES with their own fear aggressive, hyperactive,
neurotic, dogs DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}: ~ ) >

The choice is YOURS. It's a FREE WORLD and you're a adult <{}: ~ ) >

> I'll let you know in a couple of days when
> I finish reading the lengthy replies.

It shouldn't take you THAT long. Just ignore the imbeciles
who reply to your question and get to the root of the problem
and study my manual usin a text to speech reader <{}'; ~ ) >

> If you are, may I suggest CONDENSING your point a little,

I WAS BEING BRIEF, dogtek <{}'; ~ ) >

> getting to it quicker,

O.K. Here's the SHORT version: these forums are inundated
with LIARS, DOG ABUSERS, COWARDS, and ACTIVE
ACCUTE CHRONIC LIFE LONG INCURABLE MALIGNANT
MENTAL CASES, who'll DO an SAY ANYTHING to DEFEND
their alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE MUTILATE and
MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters to compensate
for their own fragile defective egos, weak fearful minds and
colossal inferiority complexes AS EVIDENCED by their own
pathetic miserable stinkin POSTED CASE HISTORIES <{}: ~ ( >

> NOT calling so many people names

Well, it's only TRUE.

You'll NOTICE they AIN'T DEFENDING themselves.

WONder HOWE COME?

THEY CAN'T, on accHOWENTA I got it
ALL in their own written words <{}: ~ ) >

> and NOT YELLING SO MUCH.

Not really YELLIN, just makin a POINT <{}'; ~ ) >

> If you have a manual that I can download,

INDEEDY! THANK YOU for ASKIN <{}'; ~ ) >

> then by all means provide a working link and I will check it out.

I'd left it HOWET intentionally just to make SHORE you was
PAYIN ATTENTION and we'd maybe have the opportunity to
DISCUSS some of the aforementioned ISSUES <{}: ~ ) >

Here's The Manual:

http://relinkz.com/EffectiveNonPhysicalDogTraininAIN'TLUCK777It'sSCIENCEAtIt'sBEAST

> And please - reply to the group and not my e-mail address -

Yeah, I don't usually send direct email HOWEver, I
wanted to be SHORE you got the MESSAGE <{}: ~ ) >

> thanks for your help and cooperation.

The pleasure is all mines <{}: ~ ) >

> ps - if I went into a shoe store and they spent half the time
> telling me what A-HOLES the other shoe stores were, do
> you think it would make me want to shop there more?

The other shoe stores AIN'T gonna tell you to HURT
INTIMDIATE an GET YOUR DOG DEAD <{}: ~ ( >

> Other than that I do appreciate anybody's help I can get.

You just got ALL the INFORMATION you need to pupperly
handle raise an train your pets children an spHOWES. As time
permits I'll likeWIZE IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT
the rest of the pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable malignant
mental cases who've replied to your question <{}: ~ ) >

> Thanks

There ain't no need to say "THANK YOU The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy,
Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And
Horsey Wizard" <{}: ~ ) >

HOWEver, if you PREFER to, here's a couple serving suggestions:

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help.
You've been a blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
many people are so dang blind or ignorant.

You just keep plugging away at what you do,
because you my friend are a life saver!!!

Anytime you need someone to speak about the results
of your product, you have my number. We would gladly
talk to them.

Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you...

Anthony & Linda Testa
Jacksonville, Florida

----------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

From: JesuMaria@.com
To: jho....RemoveThis@bellsouth.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual

Thanks, Jerry! All pages were received and
downloaded without any problems!

God bless you! Please know that you will
be remembered in all prayers and sacrifices,
and daily before the Most Blessed Sacrament
here in our Chapel.

With many prayers,
Sister Anthony Marie

----------------------

AND LIKE THIS:

Here's professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into
ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer of the Department of ANAL-ytic
Behavior at UofWI, pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),

--Marshall

Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der....RemoveThis@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"

Subject: Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING On PEOPLE
(Ninnyboy)

26 From: Marshall Dermer -
Date: Tues, Aug 14 2001
Email: der....RemoveThis@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
In article
(Matthew Burnside) writes:

Dear Matt:

Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but
Jerry has failed to profit from it.

My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.

--Marshall

PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many of us filter
posts with this term. The term indicates that the post
is about Jerry.

I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge
newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb
regulars from whom I have learned much. They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman,
jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth
Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace,
John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.

*(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG POSTED CASE}
HISTORIES of INCURABLE MENTAL ILLNESS an HURTIN
INTIMIDATIN an MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT.)

Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of
Wisconsin--Milwaukee/Milwaukee, WI 53201

der....RemoveThis@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

"If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for
myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_

YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
To: "Jerry Howe"
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine

------------------------------------------

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer"
To: "The Puppy Wizard"

Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?

Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile and
significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.

I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

-----------------------------

SEE? SEE?? SEE???

"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter
selbst vergebens!" -Friedrich Schiller.

"Against stupidity the Gods themselves
contend in vain."

INDEEDY.

AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!

In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
G-R-A-N-D
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >

HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >

"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.

Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St

Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard

E-mail:

Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory.RemoveThis@HotMail.Com

Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory.RemoveThis@HotMail.Com

TheAmazingPuppyWizard.RemoveThis@Mail.Com
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"dogtek" wrote in message

> In response to Jerry Howe -
> Wow. I can't decide if you are trying to help me or not - I'll let
> you know in a couple of days when I finish reading the lengthy
> replies. If you are, may I suggest CONDENSING your point a little,
> getting to it quicker, NOT calling so many people names and NOT
> YELLING SO MUCH. If you have a manual that I can download, then by
> all means provide a working link and I will check it out. And please
> - reply to the group and not my e-mail address - thanks for your help
> and cooperation.
>
> ps - if I went into a shoe store and they spent half the time telling
> me what A-HOLES the other shoe stores were, do you think it would make
> me want to shop there more?
>
> Other than that I do appreciate anybody's help I can get.
>
> Thanks


It's usually best to ignore him.


td


>
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In response to Jerry Howe -
Wow. I can't decide if you are trying to help me or not - I'll let
you know in a couple of days when I finish reading the lengthy
replies. If you are, may I suggest CONDENSING your point a little,
getting to it quicker, NOT calling so many people names and NOT
YELLING SO MUCH. If you have a manual that I can download, then by
all means provide a working link and I will check it out. And please
- reply to the group and not my e-mail address - thanks for your help
and cooperation.

ps - if I went into a shoe store and they spent half the time telling
me what A-HOLES the other shoe stores were, do you think it would make
me want to shop there more?

Other than that I do appreciate anybody's help I can get.

Thanks
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"labtek" wrote in message

Not sure how I cross-posted,

You crossposted when you responded to JH.

He had added the other groups and by not deleting them - as I have done -
you kept it up.

Judy
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Ok - well I'm gonna give it a try. I don't really care what anybody
else says. Sure seems a lot better that pinching, yanking, spraying
or yelling at a dog. ESPECIALLY seems a lot better that PAYING
someone to teach you how to mistreat a dog.

I won't even ask you to condense your posts anymore - I have seen some
wisdom in each of them, however hard it is to get through them. By
the time I'm done, my EYES ARE BLEEDIN' ! But that's cool - my dog's
worth it.
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:01:20 -0000, dogtek wrote:
> In response to Jerry Howe -
> Wow. I can't decide if you are trying to help me or not - I'll let
> you know in a couple of days when I finish reading the lengthy
> replies. If you are, may I suggest CONDENSING your point a little,

Don't bother. He's a psychopath. He bangs out hundreds of lines of
gibberish because he's mentally ill. Please do not respond to him. If
you must, please trim out all of the other groups he includes... he's
killfiled in most of them, and a lot of people only see his insane
rantings when someone like you replies to him.

Don't waste your time. Add him to your killfile and get advice from
people who have a high-order brain functions.

--
* John Oliver http://www.john-oliver.net/ *
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"John Oliver" wrote in message

> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:01:20 -0000, dogtek wrote:
>> In response to Jerry Howe -
>> Wow. I can't decide if you are trying to help me or not - I'll let
>> you know in a couple of days when I finish reading the lengthy
>> replies. If you are, may I suggest CONDENSING your point a little,
>
> Don't bother. He's a psychopath. He bangs out hundreds of lines of
> gibberish because he's mentally ill. Please do not respond to him. If
> you must, please trim out all of the other groups he includes... he's
> killfiled in most of them, and a lot of people only see his insane
> rantings when someone like you replies to him.
>
> Don't waste your time. Add him to your killfile and get advice from
> people who have a high-order brain functions.
>
> --
> * John Oliver http://www.john-oliver.net/ *



"Lola MacLean" wrote in message
(I originally sent
this to Mirelle by error. I intended to post to the
group:)
| Praise while a dog is doing UNWANTED behavior,
| is a recipe for DISTRUST in the dog.
**************************
Mirelle,
Perhaps I interpreted the manual incorrectly, but I distract my dog with a
quick shake of a soda can filled with coins (or, just an "Uh-Oh" from me)
when he's doing something unacceptable--and only then do I praise him. (He
stops immediately with the distraction and looks to me for direction and
praise. He certainly seems to trust me, and the softly spoken "Good Dog"
seems magical whenever it's used.)

I'm an aging retired nurse and not an experienced dog trainer, but my
9-month old Poodle/Terrior? mix has changed from an insufferable little
monster to a sweet little companion that does his level best to please me.
This happened virtually overnight when I relaxed and quit trying so hard to
be pack leader and "control" him to just giving him (frequently un-earned)
affection--and praised him when he was good. He stopped running about the
house in a frenzy, chewing on his paws and tail (and on me) or lunging at me
like he regarded me as another puppy. (He treated my guests that way too.) I
was getting desperate and wondered if I could even keep him when I went to
the Puppy Wizard site and finally located the manual download. (I'd adopted
him from the local animal shelter four months previously and he was getting
worse by the day.)

I'd have to agree that this fellow's posts are downright offensive (let
alone a chore to decipher) and his Web Site a real turn-off, but some of his
training philosophy sure worked for us! (I've only read part of his manual,
so can't comment on all of it.) Now I have a sweet little mutt that curls up
at my feet or sits close to me--and frequently looks up at me to make sure
he's doing the right thing. (I always reassure him that he is.) I'm just a
"people" now, and he's a dog and seems to like it that way. He's in much
better control of himself and happily tries to do whatever pleases me. Once
I stopped viewing him as a challenge we both relaxed, and I think our body
language indicates a pretty laid-back pair with an affectionate bond. I have
no clue whether he regards me as pack leader, mother figure, or just a good
friend--but he seems to look up to me and we have a much better
relationship.
Happy Pet Owner
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