HOWEDY Kerri & Angus,
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> I'd like to reply and offer help, advice,
> or at the very least suggestions,
Not necessary, Kerri. ALL temperament and behavior
problems are CAUSED by traditional OBEDIENCE
TRAINING and handling, therefore CAN BE CURED
NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY
THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of
HOWE the EXXXPERT professional trainers and
veterinary ethologists recommend <{}: ~ ( >
> but I cannot follow the OP's post, it's toooo
> long and I don't know who is who or what is what?
Yeah, it could be a little CONfHOWENDING if you wasn't
familiar with the names and their CASE HISTORIES.
> OP, please give me a run down of your dog's issues
The question was SEPARATION anXXXIHOWESNESS.
> and I'll see if I can't offer suggestions or advice.
NOT NECESSARY, Kerri. Historically, separation
anXXXIHOWESNESS has been THE MOST difficult
behavior problem to solve, resulting the the inapupriate
MURDER of many heelpless defenseless dumb critters
abused by their loving owners who've been misled by
their trainers and veterinary malpracticioners <{}: ~ ( >
> Also, have you checked out
> http://www.pitbullforum.com or http://www.thepitbullplace.com?
The "advice" on those BREED RACIST websites are
THE CAUSE of behavior problems. They recommend
pronged spiked pinch choke collars and cite dr. ian
dumbar's EXXXPERT advice <{}: ~ ( >
HERE'S lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn talkin abHOWET
her evenin with dr.ian dunbar at his GRHOWEL class:
> > I spent this evening at a small group session on
> > dog-human aggression hosted by Open Paw. Ian
> > Dunbar was the speaker
That's DOCTOR ian dunbar, dog behavior fraudS.
> > and was very clear that he uses P.
You mean P as in PUNISHMENT or P as in PRAISE?
Or P as in POO POO?
We're gonna quit using CONfHOWENDING scrabble
terms and RELY on INTELLIGENCE and HONESTY,
things you've YET to learn abHOWET cause you'll
do and say ANY THING to defend your alleged right
to hurt and murder dogs as you PREFER.
> > The distinction he made, and I think it's at the
> > heart of the issue, is that he only uses what he
> > calls "instructive punishment"
IOW MOORE DHOWEble talk. lying "I LOVE KOEHELR"
lynn REPORTED his "METHOD" DIDN'T WORK for her
and her PALS who were at that "grHOWEL class":
Lynn K.:
In a talk on dog-dog aggression on 5/27.
Given his propensity for repeating himself
verbatim, I'll bet he's also written it somewhere :-)
My biggest take-home from that evening actually
came from a brief conversation with Tricia999 &
some co-workers afterwards.
They confirmed my experience that "growl classes"
don't have a lasting impact on the reactivity of dog
aggressive dogs.
Our common experience was that the desensitization
only lasted for the session and didn't carry forward.
As an aside, you might want to get a copy of the
little training manual they are using for shelter
volunteers at
www.openpaw.org
The stuff on teaching people how to get into the
kennel and get an excited dog out for a walk is
excellent. Lynn K.
So you see DOG LOVERS, YOUR METHODS DON'T
WORK and YOUR EXXXPERTS ARE FRAUDS LIARS
DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE LONG TERM
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and IT'S IN BLACK AND
WHITE and html.
But that's not the BEST part of havin you settin
right here on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums,
DOG LOVERS. The BEST part is bein able to QUOTE
your own words of your SUCCESSES HURTING
INTIMIDATING and MURDERING your own DEAD
and DEATHLY ILL dogs.
> No corrections, no physical control, no commands -
"The distinction he made, and I think it's at the
heart of the issue, is that he only uses what he
calls "instructive punishment". "
Does "INSTRUCTIVE PUNISHMENT"
equate to PRAISE AS PUNISHMENT?
dr. ian dumbar is a lyin dog abusin FRAUD an SCAM
ARTIST like these lyin animal murderin mental cases:
"Nelson is definately the real deal," lynn k:
From: Lynn Kosmakos
Date: Fri, Nov 3 2000 1:41 am
Email: Lynn Kosmakos <lkosma....TakeThisOut@home.com>
Lori wrote:
> There is no TEMPERMENT too good to ruin OR too bad to save.
> The dog's heart & soul become reflex reaction to it's treatment.
Lori, I sincerely wish that were true. (the too bad to save part)
There is innate temperament that is not shaped by treatment.
The dogs our rescue gets from horrible abuse cases quickly proves
that.
OTOH, I also see dogs that have never had a single triggering
incident who cannot be saved. I've got such a client right now,
a 9 month old GSD who we've been fighting to save for months.
He's been seen by Jean Donaldson and Leslie Nelson and a slew
of others, and has received nothing by loving care all his life.
His littermates are normal, his breeding excellent, and there
was no triggering event or medical cause. As much as it breaks
my heart, the dog cannot be saved.
Lynn K.
Yeah, but have they TRIED EVERY THING???:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey <mhhea....TakeThisOut@iastate.edu>,
clicked their heels and said:
> Does that include tone of voice? Some tools are easier
> to ban than others.
yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain
And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation
Of Correction To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You Punish
Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The Dog Will Want
To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon, RAAF.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat,"Melanie Lee Chang * mchang.TakeThisOut@lppi.ucsf.edu
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project University of California, San
Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho....TakeThisOut@ncweb.com> wrote in message
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Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.
The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.
Sally Hennessey
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho....TakeThisOut@ncweb.com> wrote in message
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Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
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> That was the point of sending you to that source:
> to show you that good trainers use all available
> tools,
You CANNOT "mix" UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST and
RESPECT with BRIBERY FEAR FORCE INTIMIDATION and AVOIDANCE.
> including the one Jerry falsely claims as original.
BWEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
THEN HOWE COME DUNBAR DON'T WORK
WITH BITERS in his "grHOWEL classes"?
> The choice of tool depends on the dog's needs.
DOGS AND CHILDREN AND SP-HOWESES NEED UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST AND
RESPECT,
in order to overcome FEARS.
> Anyone who preaches a "one size fits all" method is incompetent.
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EXXXPERTS DO to your FEARFUL DEATHLY ILL DOGS.
> Jerry is worse than incompetent
HOWE is your SHEEP HERDING dog JIVE doin OFF
LEASH with NO SHOCK COLLAR in his SHEEP TRIALS?
HOWE abHOWET THIS?:
From: Lynn K. (java...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Free Feeding (Was Re: Repeating Commands)
Date: 2001-07-17 21:59:53 PST
dogstar....TakeThisOut@aol.com (DogStar716) wrote in message <news:
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> For example, if one was to use the dogs regular
> kibble as a motivator in class, the dog will probably
> not be as motivated as he would be if a different type
> of treat was offered (say, a piece of hotdog).
Not necessarily. Remember that there is value added
to the treat by virtue of getting it from the handler
as a reward.
That's the reason I handfed Java for a week.
To add value to the food.
It isn't just another piece of kibble when it
comes from Mom as a reward.
Lynn K.
From: Lynn K. (java...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Kali gets her CDX!
Date: 2003-10-26 13:49:37 PST
"KrisHur" <kris_br....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> THANKS!
You deserve it! You have my empathy on the heeling
problem. 2 of 29 qualified in Open A & B this morning
at Sacramento - ring fouled overnight by conformation
people exercising their dogs.
A Borzoi vomited on the spot, a Rottie peed on it, and
almost every other dog (including Java) dropped their
nose to the spot and started tracking.
ARRRGH!
Lynn K.
BWEEEEJAAAJAJAJAJJJAJAAAA!!
> because his verbiage stops people from getting their
> dogs the help they truly need -
HOWE would you TRAIN YOUR OWN DOG NOT
TO EAT VOMIT, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn???
BWEEEEEEEEJAAJAJAJAJAJAA!!!
> and you are his enabler.
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YOU SELL DOG TRANING LESSONS.
YOU HURT DOGS TO TRAIN THEM.
YOU MURDER DOGS YOU CAN'T TRAIN.
YOU LIE abHOWET IT.
That's ALL anyWON gotta know, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
> Ask yourself how many dogs may have died because
> someone may actually have believed your advocacy of
> ignorance.
INDEED?
YOU MEAN, LIKE THIS?:
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
Should I have refused to groom them?
Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
Lynn K.
"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20
ginge....TakeThisOut@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.
Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."
8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).
If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.
This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."
Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...
> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
> quotes are true.
> In the posts below you take responsibility for
> making those calls.
> In your post above, you state you do not
> make those calls.
> Which one is it?
WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.
I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways."
Lynn K.
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"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and learning
immediately deteriorated."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
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> Both might be able to offer you something more than
> as simple, 'Put her down' with no explaination why.
The poster who "recommended" puttin her down was JOKIN.
He wanted a EXXXCUSE to repost The Sincerely Incredibly
Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy,
Birdy And Horsey Wizard's treatise on SA, knowin it'd drive
the regular dog abusers here INSANE again <{}: ~ ) >
> Kerri & Angus
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And you really should go back and read the posts regarding SA,
they're FULL of CASE HISTORY DATA and FORENSIC
EVIDENCE as to HOWE COME dogs HAVE problems.
In Love And Light,
I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
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