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Grass fed beef? - I was just I'm a new and in an entirely on Animal Rights, whether or not it continues to inludes veganism. I've heard plenty of posts from Rick Etter and Dh and Jon Ball (I think he's in on..

Non-vegetarians, espeically Etter, cause human deaths - consume 10 times the land, water, and plant life which do -- resources which could have gone to feeding the poor. They also pollute 10 times as much as a result. are a definite drain on society, and..

The *correct* calculation of a feed:beef ratio - Dreck can't do it. He keeps using a waste that is based on the *entire* weight of the animal, and that's WRONG: the weight gained in the feedlot is virtually ALL edible beef; maybe 5% is not edible. Every page Dreck has found

Dreck's grotesque miscalculation of feed:beef - A beef steer typically eats about 17 pounds per day of dry matter grain, and gains 3 pounds per day in weight. That's a ratio of 5.7:1. Since we know the animal gains 400 pounds, we can calculate the total weight of dry matter eaten as 400 * 5.7 =.
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Ipse dixit

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:56 pm
Post subject: A question for Rick Etter on grass fed beef.
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Do you accept that the general production, storage, and
distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
deaths?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:56 pm
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"Ipse dixit" <nospam DeleteThis @email.com> wrote in message
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> Do you accept that the general production, storage, and
> distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> deaths?
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the beef I eat gets no gov benefits. The distribution is only the few miles
from farm down the road to slaughterhause to my house.

There is some is some in the use of my freezer. the beef itself caused
none, unlike you veggies, killer.




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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:52 am
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"rick etter" <retterstop DeleteThis @bright.net> wrote in message
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> "Ipse dixit" <nospam DeleteThis @email.com> wrote in message
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> > Do you accept that the general production, storage, and
> > distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > deaths?
> ====================
> the beef I eat gets no gov benefits.
Unlike you Rick!

The distribution is only the few miles
> from farm down the road to slaughterhause to my house.

Sounds a nice area Rick.
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> There is some is some in the use of my freezer. the beef itself caused
> none, unlike you veggies, killer.

Stay off the paint thinners Rick, it makes you makes you repeat yourself:-)
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:52 am
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"Ray" <camcompany.TakeThisOut@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> "rick etter" <retterstop.TakeThisOut@bright.net> wrote in message
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> > "Ipse dixit" <nospam.TakeThisOut@email.com> wrote in message
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> > > Do you accept that the general production, storage, and
> > > distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > > deaths?
> > ====================
> > the beef I eat gets no gov benefits.
> Unlike you Rick!
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> The distribution is only the few miles
> > from farm down the road to slaughterhause to my house.
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> Sounds a nice area Rick.
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> > There is some is some in the use of my freezer. the beef itself caused
> > none, unlike you veggies, killer.
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> Stay off the paint thinners Rick, it makes you makes you repeat
yourself:-)
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LOL One has to repaet oneself to get through the drug-induced fog that
vegan here on usenet appear to
live in. Especially since they unethically snip posts apart for their
continued deceit.



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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 6:59 am
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"rick etter" <retterstop RemoveThis @bright.net> wrote in message news:EMmdnRkDGaG16yiiRVn-sQ@bright.net...
> "Ipse dixit" <nospam RemoveThis @email.com> wrote in message news:44dtb.11860$be.1500@news.easynews.com...
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> > Do you accept that the general production, storage, and
> > distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > deaths?
> ====================
> the beef I eat gets no gov benefits. The distribution is only the few miles
> from farm down the road to slaughterhause to my house.
>
I didn't ask about the beef you eat, because I knew you
were going to lie about it by claiming your particular grass
fed beef is different from all other grass fed beef and
doesn't accrue any collateral deaths at all, and it seems I
was right. So I'll ask again.

"Do you accept that the *general* production, storage, and
distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
deaths?"
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 6:59 am
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"Ipse dixit" <nospam.DeleteThis@email.com> wrote in message
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> "rick etter" <retterstop.DeleteThis@bright.net> wrote in message
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> > "Ipse dixit" <nospam.DeleteThis@email.com> wrote in message
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> > > Do you accept that the general production, storage, and
> > > distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > > deaths?
> > ====================
> > the beef I eat gets no gov benefits. The distribution is only the few
miles
> > from farm down the road to slaughterhause to my house.
> >
> I didn't ask about the beef you eat, because I knew you
> were going to lie about it by claiming your particular grass
> fed beef is different from all other grass fed beef and
> doesn't accrue any collateral deaths at all, and it seems I
> was right. So I'll ask again.
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Then why the double talk about what you supposely eat you sanctimonious
twit?
It's you diet that contains the animal death and suffering that counts,
since *you* are the
one that claims to care, you ignorant fool. We have never argued that our
diets don't cause death and suffering.

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> "Do you accept that the *general* production, storage, and
> distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> deaths?"
========================
Why is it when discussing somebody elses diet all you have is food in
'general', yet when discussing your diet
it's only your supposedly specific food? You really are just too stupid to
play, hypocrite.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 7:37 am
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"Ipse dixit" <nospam.TakeThisOut@email.com> wrote in message
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> "rick etter" <retterstop.TakeThisOut@bright.net> wrote in message
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> > "Ipse dixit" <nospam.TakeThisOut@email.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > Do you accept that the general production, storage, and
> > > distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > > deaths?
> > ====================
> > the beef I eat gets no gov benefits. The distribution is only the few
miles
> > from farm down the road to slaughterhause to my house.
> >
> I didn't ask about the beef you eat, because I knew you
> were going to lie about it

You have no evidence to even suggest he's lying about it.

> by claiming your particular grass
> fed beef is different from all other grass fed beef and
> doesn't accrue any collateral deaths

That wouldn't make it different than "all other grass fed beef".

> at all, and it seems I
> was right. So I'll ask again.

There is no such thing as "not any". You can't walk across a field without
killing something, much less mow it..

> "Do you accept that the *general* production, storage, and
> distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> deaths?"

All agriculture causes deaths.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:42 am
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"rick etter" <retterstop.RemoveThis@bright.net> wrote in message news:Cv6dnXNNepgjkSui4p2dnA@bright.net...
> "Ipse dixit" <nospam.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote in message news:E9ktb.40016$be.5622@news.easynews.com...
> > "rick etter" <retterstop.RemoveThis@bright.net> wrote in message news:EMmdnRkDGaG16yiiRVn-sQ@bright.net...
> > > "Ipse dixit" <nospam.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote in message news:44dtb.11860$be.1500@news.easynews.com...
> > > >
> > > > Do you accept that the general production, storage, and
> > > > distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > > > deaths?
> > > ====================
> > > the beef I eat gets no gov benefits. The distribution is
> > > only the few miles from farm down the road to
> > > slaughterhause to my house.
> > >
> > I didn't ask about the beef you eat, because I knew you
> > were going to lie about it by claiming your particular grass
> > fed beef is different from all other grass fed beef and
> > doesn't accrue any collateral deaths at all, and it seems I
> > was right. So I'll ask again.
> ========================
> Then why the double talk about what you supposely eat
> you sanctimonious twit?

I can see you're doing your best to avoid answering
the question put to you, but I'm going to keep asking
it until I get an answer.

"Do you accept that the *general* production, storage, and
distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
deaths?"

> > "Do you accept that the *general* production, storage, and
> > distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > deaths?"
> ========================
> Why is it when discussing somebody elses diet all you
> have is food in 'general', yet when discussing your diet
> it's only your supposedly specific food?

Answer the question, liar.

"Do you accept that the *general* production, storage,
and distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
deaths?"
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:29 pm
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"Ipse dixit" <nospam.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote in message
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> "rick etter" <retterstop.RemoveThis@bright.net> wrote in message
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> > "Ipse dixit" <nospam.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote in message
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> > > "rick etter" <retterstop.RemoveThis@bright.net> wrote in message
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> > > > "Ipse dixit" <nospam.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote in message
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> > > > >
> > > > > Do you accept that the general production, storage, and
> > > > > distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > > > > deaths?
> > > > ====================
> > > > the beef I eat gets no gov benefits. The distribution is
> > > > only the few miles from farm down the road to
> > > > slaughterhause to my house.
> > > >
> > > I didn't ask about the beef you eat, because I knew you
> > > were going to lie about it by claiming your particular grass
> > > fed beef is different from all other grass fed beef and
> > > doesn't accrue any collateral deaths at all, and it seems I
> > > was right. So I'll ask again.
> > ========================
> > Then why the double talk about what you supposely eat
> > you sanctimonious twit?
>
> I can see you're doing your best to avoid answering
> the question put to you, but I'm going to keep asking
> it until I get an answer.
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You've gotten the answer stupid. It is your dishonesty on display here.
You want to talk 'general' diets only because you *KNOW* yours is so blood
drenched
you have to wash the plates off after just putting your veggies on them...


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> "Do you accept that the *general* production, storage, and
> distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> deaths?"
>
> > > "Do you accept that the *general* production, storage, and
> > > distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > > deaths?"
> > ========================
> > Why is it when discussing somebody elses diet all you
> > have is food in 'general', yet when discussing your diet
> > it's only your supposedly specific food?
>
> Answer the question, liar.
========================
Nope, no lys at all, just a display of your dishonesty...




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> "Do you accept that the *general* production, storage,
> and distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> deaths?"
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 2:50 am
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"rick etter" <retterstop DeleteThis @bright.net> wrote in message
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> "Ipse dixit" <nospam DeleteThis @email.com> wrote in message
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> > "rick etter" <retterstop DeleteThis @bright.net> wrote in message
> news:Cv6dnXNNepgjkSui4p2dnA@bright.net...
> > > "Ipse dixit" <nospam DeleteThis @email.com> wrote in message
> news:E9ktb.40016$be.5622@news.easynews.com...
> > > > "rick etter" <retterstop DeleteThis @bright.net> wrote in message
> news:EMmdnRkDGaG16yiiRVn-sQ@bright.net...
> > > > > "Ipse dixit" <nospam DeleteThis @email.com> wrote in message
> news:44dtb.11860$be.1500@news.easynews.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you accept that the general production, storage, and
> > > > > > distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > > > > > deaths?
> > > > > ====================
> > > > > the beef I eat gets no gov benefits. The distribution is
> > > > > only the few miles from farm down the road to
> > > > > slaughterhause to my house.
> > > > >
> > > > I didn't ask about the beef you eat, because I knew you
> > > > were going to lie about it by claiming your particular grass
> > > > fed beef is different from all other grass fed beef and
> > > > doesn't accrue any collateral deaths at all, and it seems I
> > > > was right. So I'll ask again.
> > > ========================
> > > Then why the double talk about what you supposely eat
> > > you sanctimonious twit?
> >
> > I can see you're doing your best to avoid answering
> > the question put to you, but I'm going to keep asking
> > it until I get an answer.
> =======================
> You've gotten the answer stupid. It is your dishonesty on display here.
> You want to talk 'general' diets only because you *KNOW* yours is so blood
> drenched
> you have to wash the plates off after just putting your veggies on them...
>
>
> >
> > "Do you accept that the *general* production, storage, and
> > distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > deaths?"
> >
> > > > "Do you accept that the *general* production, storage, and
> > > > distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > > > deaths?"
> > > ========================
> > > Why is it when discussing somebody elses diet all you
> > > have is food in 'general', yet when discussing your diet
> > > it's only your supposedly specific food?
> >
> > Answer the question, liar.
> ========================
> Nope, no lys at all, just a display of your dishonesty...
>
>
>
>
> >
> > "Do you accept that the *general* production, storage,
> > and distribution of grass fed beef accumulates any collateral
> > deaths?"
> >
> >
>


If my father would roll over a tractor onto himself and get killed while
bringing a load of soybeans in from the field while a milk cow in a pasture
watched while chewing her cudd, would that be a vegatable collateral death
or meat collateral death?
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