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(Msg. 31) Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:08 pm
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'gee' - does *everything* have to be explained to you ... after the boycott
of the Bank which funded the (disgusting) Huntington Life Sciences which led
to their funds being suspended the government *did* put some tax-dollars
into it but only a tiny fraction - enough to pay staff wages but not enough
to carry the out live autopsies (well documented - if you choose to look),
and the skin abrasion tests along with the other 20.000 other tests that
they had been doing - since then, firms like HLS and the new facility at
Cambridge University which experiments on primates have come under public
scrutiny like never before and they are not so quick now to strip of the
skin of a cat and rub bleach over it to see what happens .., so, it has and
did work, so to your point 'YES' I am serious ...
As for your point about house cleaners having to be tested all I can say is
'No' they don't, one of Europe's now leading soap producers (ECOVER) do not
test any of their soaps or cleansers on ANYTHING other than the item being
cleansed proving the point that it is not necessary to kill animals to find
a good cleaner .. getting back to the original post just remember that when
you buy into 'Iams' you buy into animal cruelty .. it's as simple - and as
complex as that.
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:08 pm
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"spannerswirlyflow" <spannerswirlyflow DeleteThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> 'gee' - does *everything* have to be explained to you ... after the
> boycott of the Bank which funded the (disgusting) Huntington Life Sciences
> which led to their funds being suspended the government *did* put some
> tax-dollars into it but only a tiny fraction - enough to pay staff wages
> but not enough to carry the out live autopsies (well documented - if you
> choose to look), and the skin abrasion tests along with the other 20.000
> other tests that they had been doing - since then, firms like HLS and the
> new facility at Cambridge University which experiments on primates have
> come under public scrutiny like never before and they are not so quick now
> to strip of the skin of a cat and rub bleach over it to see what happens
> .., so, it has and did work, so to your point 'YES' I am serious ...
> As for your point about house cleaners having to be tested all I can say
> is 'No' they don't, one of Europe's now leading soap producers (ECOVER) do
> not test any of their soaps or cleansers on ANYTHING other than the item
> being cleansed proving the point that it is not necessary to kill animals
> to find a good cleaner .. getting back to the original post just remember
> that when you buy into 'Iams' you buy into animal cruelty .. it's as
> simple - and as complex as that.
>
>
> dear oh dear ..
RELAX, we never buy Iams. so you can sleep soundly
However my reasons are my own.
It's too costly.
That's even simpler.
I guess I probably should not mention that my wife used the money we saved
to buy some fur coats huh? |
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:08 pm
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"spannerswirlyflow" <spannerswirlyflow.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> 'gee' - does *everything* have to be explained to you ... after the
> boycott of the Bank which funded the (disgusting) Huntington Life Sciences
> which led to their funds being suspended the government *did* put some
> tax-dollars into it but only a tiny fraction - enough to pay staff wages
> but not enough to carry the out live autopsies (well documented - if you
> choose to look), and the skin abrasion tests along with the other 20.000
> other tests that they had been doing - since then, firms like HLS and the
> new facility at Cambridge University which experiments on primates have
> come under public scrutiny like never before and they are not so quick now
> to strip of the skin of a cat and rub bleach over it to see what happens
> .., so, it has and did work, so to your point 'YES' I am serious ...
> As for your point about house cleaners having to be tested all I can say
> is 'No' they don't, one of Europe's now leading soap producers (ECOVER) do
> not test any of their soaps or cleansers on ANYTHING other than the item
> being cleansed proving the point that it is not necessary to kill animals
> to find a good cleaner .. getting back to the original post just remember
> that when you buy into 'Iams' you buy into animal cruelty .. it's as
> simple - and as complex as that.
>
>
> dear oh dear ..
>
Testing can be carried to extremes....The way to "test" some house cleaning
solution or other is to market it, and the people will buy the one that
works best. The one that doesn't will not sell, and its producers will go
out of business....Test complete.....No decent cleaning solution is safe
around kids and/or pets, and should be locked away somewhere. >> Stay informed about: Rank these canned foods! |
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:58 pm
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"William Graham" <weg9.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "spannerswirlyflow" <spannerswirlyflow.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>I think if you do some research you will find that nearly all tinned
>>pet-food is horsemeat - the ones that are labelled as being 'chicken',
>>'lamb', 'turkey' etc have been flavoured to give that particular flavour -
>>even pet-food within the US of A is horsemeat too. Except, as I say, tins
>>of meat which *specifically* say 'fish' or 'chicken' etc .. if they are
>>chicken flavoured well you now know what it is ...
>>
>> .. whats with the 'horsemeat??! - it seems like a different world to me',
>>
>> .. do you not think that is what most pets within the US have been eating
>> for the last 40 years - did you think it was prime beef? As it happens
>> horsemeat is considered quite a delicacy within many countries for both
>> humans and pets .... you have been feeding it to your pets whether you
>> knew about it or not ...
>>
>> dear me ......
>>
> When I was a kid in Lynbrook, New York, I delivered papers for pin
> money.....One Summer, they had a special every week....If you clipped out
> the coupon, you could get 11 hamburgers for a dollar at the local White
> Castle burger joint. So, since I had a virtually unlimited supply of
> coupons, I bought 11 hamburgers every week, and brought them home where my
> mom would serve them to me and my dad.....Wouldn't you know it, at the end
> of the Summer, the White Castle was busted for serving horse
> meat.......But it tasted pretty good to me........
>
Ah, yes, White Castles-gut stuffers....buy 'em by the bag.
I've never quite figured out what kind of mystery meat they use either, but
there's so little I suppose it really doesn't matter.
And quite likely if you offered one to your cat, they would take a sniff,
and then try to bury it
This reminds me about the rumors from years ago that Mcdonalds was using
ground worms in their beef.
The story got squashed fairly quickly when they proved that worms were more
expensive per pound than beef was <g> >> Stay informed about: Rank these canned foods! |
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:58 pm
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"AMUN" <spamblocker.TakeThisOut@bett.net> wrote in message news:fg5vl7$3le$1@aioe.org...
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> "William Graham" <weg9.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "spannerswirlyflow" <spannerswirlyflow.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:y_mVi.15699$vI1.3823@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>I think if you do some research you will find that nearly all tinned
>>>pet-food is horsemeat - the ones that are labelled as being 'chicken',
>>>'lamb', 'turkey' etc have been flavoured to give that particular
>>>flavour - even pet-food within the US of A is horsemeat too. Except, as I
>>>say, tins of meat which *specifically* say 'fish' or 'chicken' etc .. if
>>>they are chicken flavoured well you now know what it is ...
>>>
>>> .. whats with the 'horsemeat??! - it seems like a different world to
>>> me',
>>>
>>> .. do you not think that is what most pets within the US have been
>>> eating for the last 40 years - did you think it was prime beef? As it
>>> happens horsemeat is considered quite a delicacy within many countries
>>> for both humans and pets .... you have been feeding it to your pets
>>> whether you knew about it or not ...
>>>
>>> dear me ......
>>>
>> When I was a kid in Lynbrook, New York, I delivered papers for pin
>> money.....One Summer, they had a special every week....If you clipped out
>> the coupon, you could get 11 hamburgers for a dollar at the local White
>> Castle burger joint. So, since I had a virtually unlimited supply of
>> coupons, I bought 11 hamburgers every week, and brought them home where
>> my mom would serve them to me and my dad.....Wouldn't you know it, at the
>> end of the Summer, the White Castle was busted for serving horse
>> meat.......But it tasted pretty good to me........
>>
>
> Ah, yes, White Castles-gut stuffers....buy 'em by the bag.
> I've never quite figured out what kind of mystery meat they use either,
> but there's so little I suppose it really doesn't matter.
> And quite likely if you offered one to your cat, they would take a sniff,
> and then try to bury it
>
> This reminds me about the rumors from years ago that Mcdonalds was using
> ground worms in their beef.
> The story got squashed fairly quickly when they proved that worms were
> more expensive per pound than beef was <g>
>
>
Yeah....For awhile, my son-in-law had aspirations of owning a worm
farm......But he abandoned the idea when he realized that most people were
less than enthusiastic........The White Castle in Lynbrook was one of the
first short order restaurants I ever knew about, back in 1946 or so.....I
can remember riding around in the car with my mother in those years, and
seeing signs in the bar windows that said, "Pizza". My mother would say,
"What's Pissa?", and I would say, "I don't know, mom...." Today, I would say
that over 50% of the "small businesses" in this country are fast food
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:00 am
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... (gee, this is becoming tiresome) .. tax-dollars did *not* pay for the
same thing - if you had read the text properly you would have seen that the
money went to pay staff wages - as it was just before last Christmas and
there was a fuss in the media so HMG stepped-in with some money but they did
not give money to enable the company to carry on their experiments. (They
nearly went bust - in fact I do believe that an US private equity firm has
pumped money into this venture since).
So, again, just for you, there wasn't any tax-dollars paying for the same
thing - so what goal are you referring too? (did you mean 'doh!' instead of
"Huh!!??") >> Stay informed about: Rank these canned foods! |
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:00 am
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"spannerswirlyflow" <spannerswirlyflow.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> .. (gee, this is becoming tiresome) .. tax-dollars did *not* pay for the
> same thing - if you had read the text properly you would have seen that
> the money went to pay staff wages - as it was just before last Christmas
> and there was a fuss in the media so HMG stepped-in with some money but
> they did not give money to enable the company to carry on their
> experiments. (They nearly went bust - in fact I do believe that an US
> private equity firm has pumped money into this venture since).
> So, again, just for you, there wasn't any tax-dollars paying for the same
> thing - so what goal are you referring too? (did you mean 'doh!' instead
> of "Huh!!??")
>
No. I meant Huh!? - Because of the illogic of having ones tax dollars pay
for it instead of private profit money. If that isn't the case, then I take
back my "Huh!?" But in any case, I think that today, most people would go
further than just a boycott if someone was experimenting with
animals....there are people here who would "storm the Bastille" over such a
thing, so if it's done at all, it has to be well hidden from the public.
I had a friend who told me that stray cats were picked up and used for such
a thing....This was around 30 years ago down in Menlo Park,
California.....He was very incensed about it, because he owned several cats.
I agreed with him, but didn't know exactly what I could do about it. Today,
I like cats more than ever, and I think I would join any group that snuck
out at night and placed bombs in the buildings of such people....So, if you
need any recruits, let me know...... >> Stay informed about: Rank these canned foods! |
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:00 am
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"William Graham" <weg9.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "spannerswirlyflow" <spannerswirlyflow.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> .. (gee, this is becoming tiresome) .. tax-dollars did *not* pay for the
>> same thing - if you had read the text properly you would have seen that
>> the money went to pay staff wages - as it was just before last Christmas
>> and there was a fuss in the media so HMG stepped-in with some money but
>> they did not give money to enable the company to carry on their
>> experiments. (They nearly went bust - in fact I do believe that an US
>> private equity firm has pumped money into this venture since).
>> So, again, just for you, there wasn't any tax-dollars paying for the same
>> thing - so what goal are you referring too? (did you mean 'doh!' instead
>> of "Huh!!??")
>>
> No. I meant Huh!? - Because of the illogic of having ones tax dollars pay
> for it instead of private profit money. If that isn't the case, then I
> take back my "Huh!?" But in any case, I think that today, most people
> would go further than just a boycott if someone was experimenting with
> animals....there are people here who would "storm the Bastille" over such
> a thing, so if it's done at all, it has to be well hidden from the public.
> I had a friend who told me that stray cats were picked up and used for
> such a thing....This was around 30 years ago down in Menlo Park,
> California.....He was very incensed about it, because he owned several
> cats. I agreed with him, but didn't know exactly what I could do about it.
> Today, I like cats more than ever, and I think I would join any group that
> snuck out at night and placed bombs in the buildings of such people....So,
> if you need any recruits, let me know......
Just call PETA >> Stay informed about: Rank these canned foods! |
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:04 pm
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I am really sure - without doubt, that you people are good responsible pet
owners who deplore such things similar to what I have described and
(unfortunately) brought up for discussion, it was because the 'red-mist'
rained down after seeing the (rather innocuously named) 'Iams' amongst a
list of tinned foods for our pets knowing full-well what their parent
company gets up to in their laboratories .. don't get me wrong, please, I am
*not* an animal rights activist - never was and never will be but saying
that I will not put a penny into any company that does such awful things to
animals especially when it is just a commercial venture.
Anyway, 'nuff-said.
Respect. >> Stay informed about: Rank these canned foods! |
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