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Fred Finisterre

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:22 am
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He's been going for walks for 2 or 3 weeks but hasn't pee'd or poo'd oustide
yet. Only on the newspaper in our home. If he's out, he'll wait till he gets
home, then rush to the paper to do his business.

Any ideas? He's 4 months old.

Fred.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:22 am
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"Fred Finisterre" <finisterre RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> He's been going for walks for 2 or 3 weeks but hasn't pee'd or poo'd
> oustide
> yet. Only on the newspaper in our home. If he's out, he'll wait till he
> gets
> home, then rush to the paper to do his business.
>
> Any ideas? He's 4 months old.

You've inadvertantly taught him that the only good place to eliminate is on
the paper, in your house. Be very vigilant and watch him indoors. When you
see him heading for the newspaper, call his name then scoop him outdoors.
Don't yell out because you'll scare him and he'll think he did something
bad.

Once outside, stay with him. Tell him to go "potty" or some other keyword
you'd like to use. As soon as he starts to squat (or hike his leg)
immediately begin & repeat "good boy potty!" in a happy voice. As soon as
he's finished give him a treat...while still outside.

--
Tara

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 4:22 am
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"Fred Finisterre" <finisterre DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> He's been going for walks for 2 or 3 weeks but hasn't pee'd or poo'd
> oustide
> yet. Only on the newspaper in our home. If he's out, he'll wait till he
> gets
> home, then rush to the paper to do his business.
>
> Any ideas? He's 4 months old.
>

you need to train him to go outside. because you trained him to go on paper
when he was younger, that's where he wants to go.

when you see him heading for his paper, scoop him up, take him outside, and
stand there, with him on a leash, until he goes. then praise him and give
him a treat. do this every time he heads for the paper. if you he goes
before you can catch him, just pretend nothing happened, and ignore him.
soon, he'll be looking forward to going outside, because of the treats.
after he is going outside regularly, you can get rid of the paper.

it also helps if you associate a word or phrase with the act, like "go
potty", or "do your business". that way he'll learn to do it on command
eventually.

-kelly
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:52 am
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Fred Finisterre wrote:

> He's been going for walks for 2 or 3 weeks but hasn't pee'd or poo'd oustide
> yet. Only on the newspaper in our home. If he's out, he'll wait till he gets
> home, then rush to the paper to do his business.
>
> Any ideas? He's 4 months old.
>
> Fred.
>
>

If he were my dog, I'd put paper outside for him to
begin the transfer process. I'd place some of his
waste on or very near that paper. "See, here is where
you should put your doo-doo." I would place this at
the far end of the yard, not near the door (see last
paragraph).

Also, make sure he doesn't have any *opportunity* to go
inside. That might mean crating him sometimes, or
leashing him so he's near you and you can watch for the
signs that he has to eliminate.

Make sure you take him for a walk, or let him out,
after a meal - at 4 months, he will not be able to hold
it in forever. Then once he goes outdoors, praise,
praise, praise. You'll need to walk him long enough to
accomplish this, even if it takes an hour.

Most dogs would rather not eliminate real close to
their "den," an instinct that works in your favor to
re-train him to go outdoors, which is presumably
farther from his den than anywhere indoors.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:53 am
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HOWEDY Fred,

"Fred Finisterre" <finisterre.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> He's been going for walks for 2 or 3 weeks
> but hasn't pee'd or poo'd oustide yet.

NO PROBLEMO. HOWEsbreakin is INSTINCTIVE.
You'll find ALL the INFORMATION you need to pupperly
raise handle and train your dogs and children in your
FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com

> Only on the newspaper in our home.

Right. Many pups are raised on news papers
and will INSTINCTIVELY relieve themselves
on ANY sheet of newspaper.

THAT'S a TRAININ SUGGESTION if you
have the INTELLECT to EXXXTRAPOLATE
on what's NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE
REFLEXIVE behavior.

> If he's out, he'll wait till he gets
> home, then rush to the paper to do his business.

RIGHT. On accHOWENT of it's the PAPERS which
STIMULATES the dog to relieve hisself. HOWEver,
THAT AIN'T THE PROBLEM, Fred.

> Any ideas?

Yeah. Have you locked your dog in a BOX?
Your dog CANNOT HAVE HOWEsbreakin
MISTAKES if you LOCK IT IN A BOX!

You're asking LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS
and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL
CASES for advice for behaviors they CANNOT
TRAIN their own dogs to do or NOT do.

LOOK AT THEIR POSTED CASE HISTORYS!

IN FACT, the two DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES
who REPLIED to your post have BOTH MURDERED
THEIR OWN INNOCENT CRITTERS and CHOKE
SHOCK and SPRAY AVERSIVES in their faces and
LOCK THEM IN BOXES and BRIBE them to make
them do MINDLESS MEANINGLESS UNTHINKING
RANDOM behaviors to elicit a TREAT!

OR THEY'LL HURT and INTIMIDATE them someMOORE.

AND MURDER THEM WHEN NECESSARY.

> He's 4 months old.

Your newfHOWEND friends have told you to
interrupt your puppy and scoop IT up and offer
IT a TREAT for goin HOWEtside.

THAT'LL TEACH IT TO MESS YOUR HOWES
TO GET 100% OF YOUR UNDIVIDED ATTENTION.

> Fred.

You can do as you PREFER, Fred. HOWEver, as
you KNOW if you've READ HOWER FORUM for
WON DAY, DECENT PEOPLE DO NO POST HERE
abHOWETS.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard DON'T EXXXPECT
you'll be ANY DIFFERENT than ANY OTHER DOG
ABUSING MENTAL CASE who posts here abHOWETS.

ENJOY YOUR DOG'S BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS!

HOWEDY Nicole H,

"Nicole H" <crimsonshedemonREMOVE.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Is your dog getting enough exercise?

Dogs and children DO NOT NEED EXXXERCISE
to CON-TROLL their HYPERACTIVE behaviors.
They do NOT NEED anti psychotic medications
crates chokin an shocking devices aversive sprays
or punishment of ANY KIND on accHOWENT of
they're DUMB ANIMALS who are VERY SENSITIVE
CRITTERS, just like children.

> If she's bored, she will find something to do.

BORED DOGS SLEEP.

> Make sure you have lots of appropriate chew toys

THAT could be PART of the PROBLEM.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard recommends
WON hard and WON soft toy in each main
area of your HOWES.

> and rotate them regularly so she doesn't get bored.

THAT'S INSANE.

> She definitely needs to be crated when you can't watch her.

Locking dogs in boxes MAKES them HYPERACTIVE
and FEARFUL and CAUSES EXXXCESIVE BEHAVIOR
PROBLEMS like barking digging chewing spinning self
mutilation fear of thunder car sickness separation
anxiHOWESNESS shyness and aggression and GETS
SOME DOGS DEAD.

Like tara o. aka tee's DEAD DOG Summer.

Look up her posted case history if you got a mind to
learn HOWE COME ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS
COWARDS and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES post here abHOWETS.

> Make the crate a fun, safe place to be.

You'd have to put in a relief area a dining
area a sleeping area, all the elements of
a safe and S-HOWEND HOWES.

> I give a command "go kennel" and then reward
> w/treats and a special chew toy.

THAT'S IDIOCY. You cannot BRIBE a dog to
make IT naturally want to do ANY THING YOU ASK.

> Exercise Nala and divert her attention.

THAT'S HOWE COME DOGS AND CHILDREN
HAVE HYPERACTIVE OPPOSITIONAL DISORDER.

> A tired dog is a good dog.

NO. THAT'S HOWE COME DOGS GET HYPERACTIVE.

> Nicole

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED
BY MISHANDLING AS YOU RECOMMEND.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >


> "Jacquelyn" <jbyrne.TakeThisOut@fnf.com> wrote in message
> news:8cad3b9.0412011420.67edeb07@posting.google.com...
>
> > Hi! I have been enjoying reading all of the
> > postings since we got our lab Nala.

ONLY DOG ABUSERS LIARS COWARDS
AND ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES POST HERE abHOWETS.

> > I have always thought I lucked out, because she
> > wasn't as destructive as many of the labs I read
> > about here,

BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!!

> > never really destroyed anything.

Till NHOWE.

> > She slept in her kennel for the first 3 1/2
> > months that we had her, and she still hated
> > it,

BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

> > so we let her start to sleep in the bed.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!

YOU COULDN'T EVEN TRAIN YOUR DOG
TO STAY INSIDE A LOCKED BOX. Perhaps
THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard SEZ: "DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT
POST HERE abHOWETS."

> >That was great for a couple of months-

And NHOWE it's OVER!

> > we would get up together in the morning
> > together and she seemed much calmer and
> > happier. Until last week... I woke up and
> > she had somehow gotten out of the bedroom
> > while we were sleeping.

Perhaps you wasn't bright enough to close your door.

> > She tore up a pretty big piece of the carpeting.

No problem. THAT'S the PREDICTABLE RESULT
of lockin a dog in a box and MANAGING and
SUPERVISING IT all the time.

Seems you've been followin the ADVICE of HOWER
Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards
and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL
CASES.

> > We decided to give her another chance
> > and let her sleep in the bed again for another
> > couple of nights, untill she chewed a whole
> > in the wall near the door.

Perhaps she heard a ghost in there?

> > Last straw,

You mean you WON'T TOLERATE it noMOORE.

> > this week, she was gated in the living room
> > for 2 minutes alone, I go in to her and she
> > is chewing on my eyeglasses that were high
> > up on an end table (these are just highlights-
> > there have been a couple of minor incedents that
> > didn't make us so mad).

So, we're talking abHOWET your dog destroying
your HOWES and costin you a few hundred bucks
already and you're just GETTIN STARTED in the
NORMAL ADOLESCENT REBELLIHOWES STAGE.

Of curse, it's ONLY NORMAL if you HURT
and INTIMDIATE and BRIBE and lock your
dog in a box like you been doin.

ENJOY YOUR PROBLEMS!

> > I am very frustrated.

You're in EXXXCELLENT COMPANY!

> > I feel like lately the dog has been yelled at all of the time.

Yeah. That's on accHOWENT of you don't have
the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the cunning of the
domestic puppy dog even after The Amazing
Puppy Wizard and HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students all over the Whole Wild World TOLD
YOU HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!!

WELCOME to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORY,
Subject nicole.

> > But you have to dicipline them,

Yeah? The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ
THAT'S HOWE COME yoru dog is destroying
your personal pupperty, on accHOWENT of
she FEARS and HATES you for abusing her.

> > and let them know when they do something wrong

Dogs is DUMB ANIMALS. They CANNOT KNOW
right from wrong ANY doGgamened better than
you lying dog abusing mental cases can be
EXXXPECTED to understand RIGHT from WRONG.

> > (she just always seems to be doing
> > something wrong lately)!

Yeah. THAT'S on accHOWENT of there's
a MENTAL CASE in your dog's attic.

> > What can I do to stop the madness?

Ever consider takin the only honorable way HOWET?

> > Another thing is my baby is so smart.

PROBLEMO!

> > She has all of the basic commands down
> > (sit, stay, paw, come, down) and she listens
> > when SHE wants to.

When she's offered a bribe.

> > If we are in the kitchen alone, she does everything.

Yeah. You dog behaves ONLY on accHOWENT
of SHE FEARS YOU'LL ABUSE HER someMOORE.

> > But try getting her to come to you when
> > she finds anything at all interesting.

Yeah. THAT'S A RESULT of bribery.

> Any advice would be helpful.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

> > Thanks!(PS- Please don't say she needs
> > chew toys- dog toys are ALL over the house!)

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

> > Thanks!

From: Diane (dbergman@wwdc.com)
Subject: biting and attention
Date: 1999/10/13

I hope I'm not being a pest,(I have at least one
question a week) but I've never owned a lab
before and I think my 8month old lab/shepherd
has severe problems.

This newsgroup made me realize she is normal.

Her major problem is biting but I'm told labs and
shepherds are both bad for that as puppies.

Tonight I went to answer the phone and she took
my arm and wouldn't let go. I had to hang up as
my arm still has puncture wounds.

Has anyone had this problem?

I think she gets upset that all my attention is not
on her anymore. (I do spend a lot of time with
her and everyone tells me that I spoil her too much)

She also bites when she needs to go outside.

Any suggestions?

------------------------------------------------------------------

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
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HOWEDY Fred,

"Fred Finisterre" <finisterre.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> He's been going for walks for 2 or 3 weeks
> but hasn't pee'd or poo'd oustide yet. Only
> on the newspaper in our home. If he's out,
> he'll wait till he gets home, then rush to
> the paper to do his business.
>
> Any ideas? He's 4 months old.
>
> Fred.

Re: My 7 month Lab is so bad all of a sudden!

HOWEDY jacquelyn,

"Jacquelyn" <jbyrne.RemoveThis@fnf.com> wrote in message
news:8cad3b9.0412011420.67edeb07@posting.google.com...
>
> Hi! I have been enjoying reading all of
> the postings since we got our lab Nala.

INDEED? Perhaps you've noticed that decent
people do not post here abHOWETS, what with
all the ENJOYMENT you've been readin.

> I have always thought I lucked out,

Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK, dog abuser.

> because she wasn't as destructive as many
> of the labs I read about here, never really
> destroyed anything.

On accHOWENT of you kept IT locked in a box.

Well THAT was the calm pryor to the storm.

> She slept in her kennel for the first 3 1/2
> months that we had her,

Yeah. You lock your dog in a box on
accHOWENT of you don't have the
INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the cunning
of the domestic puppy dog even after
The Puppy Wizard and HIS 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual
Students all over the Whole Wild
World told you HOWE they done it
EZ GENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
and FOR FREE, to boot.

AbHOWET the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit
the cunning of the domestic puppy dog?

It's really MOORE of a chicken / egg thing.

> and she still hated it,

IMAGINE? Your PALS told us dogs is DEN
critters. The DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES
you've been ENJOYING readin said she'd LOVE
being locked in her SAFE HOWES.

REMEMBER?

> so we let her start to sleep in the bed.

Whatever.

> That was great for a couple of months- we would
> get up together in the morning together and she
> seemed much calmer and happier.

IMAGINE?

> Until last week...

"Give 'm a inch..."

> I woke up and she had somehow gotten out
> of the bedroom while we were sleeping. She
> tore up a pretty big piece of the carpeting.

Chicken or egg?

> We decided to give her another chance and let her
> sleep in the bed again for another couple of nights,
> untill she chewed a whole in the wall near the door.

Destructive chewing is a SYMPTOM of anxiHOWESNESS.

> Last straw, this week, she was gated in the
> living room for 2 minutes alone, I go in to her
> and she is chewing on my eyeglasses that
> were high up on an end table (these are just
> highlights- there have been a couple of minor
> incedents that didn't make us so mad).

Your dog AIN'T HAPPY with HOWE you've been
handling her with the advice you've been ENJOYING.

> I am very frustrated.

Only dog abusing mental cases post here.

> I feel like lately the dog has been yelled at
> all of the time. But you have to dicipline them,

You've been ENJOYING THAT.

> and let them know when they do something wrong

Dogs DON'T KNOW RIGHT from WRONG.

That's sumpthin ONLY DECENT HUMAN BEINGS understand.

> (she just always seems to be doing
> something wrong lately)!

On accHOWENT of you ENJOY PUNISHING her.

> What can I do to stop the madness?

You'll have to STOP HURTING and INTIMDATING
your dog and stop ENJOYING the company of lying
dog abusing mental cases who crate bribe shock
choke spray aversives hurt intimdiate and murder
dogs like HOWE you been ENJOYING readin abHOWET.

> Another thing is my baby is so smart.

Oh? So it's egg, then?

> She has all of the basic commands down
> (sit, stay, paw, come, down) and she listens
> when SHE wants to.

When you offer a cookie.

> If we are in the kitchen alone, she does everything.

For FOOD.

> But try getting her to come to you when
> she finds anything at all interesting.

Like the garbage can.

> Any advice would be helpful.

Can you run up a tree chitterin like a squirrel?
Or can you DANCE? HOWE abHOWET doin
the Monkey Macarena?

> Thanks!(PS- Please don't say she needs chew toys-

Right. Dogs only need WON hard and WON soft
chew toy in each area of their HOWES.

> dog toys are ALL over the house!)

Perhaps THAT'S part of HOWE COME she chews.

> Thanks!

You won't be gettin no advice from your mentally
ill lying dog abusing punk thug coward pals:

From: Diane (dbergman@wwdc.com)
Subject: biting and attention
Date: 1999/10/13

I hope I'm not being a pest,(I have at least one
question a week) but I've never owned a lab
before and I think my 8month old lab/shepherd
has severe problems.

This newsgroup made me realize she is normal.

Her major problem is biting but I'm told labs and
shepherds are both bad for that as puppies.

Tonight I went to answer the phone and she took
my arm and wouldn't let go. I had to hang up as
my arm still has puncture wounds.

Has anyone had this problem?

I think she gets upset that all my attention is not
on her anymore. (I do spend a lot of time with
her and everyone tells me that I spoil her too much)

She also bites when she needs to go outside.

Any suggestions?

------------------------------------------------------------------

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!


WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT
LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways."

Lynn K.

-----------------------------------------

"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."

Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------


LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND LOIS
Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined

-----------------------------------------

> But I think what Lois was referring to
> was the fact that Darlene actually
> stated at some point that she was
> bipolar--and, IIRC, that meds did not work
> for her--so she was prone to major-league
> ups and downs and sudden
> enthusiasms..

"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."

Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------


LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosmakos@home.com)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/03

BoxHill wrote:

> I know I am totally off topic here, but have you read
> "The Unquiet Mind"?

Yeah. It's interesting, but kind of
watered down for the mass market, if
you know what I mean. There's really
quite a lot of good work out there and
decent research. Thank God.

Lynn K.
---------------------------------------

MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!"
MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...

YOU DO THE MATH

"What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly,
'I take anti-depressives'"

-------------------------------------

From: Gary & lois Edwards (garyl@bmi.net)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/02

BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS

"I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
is now days you can say proudly,

"I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
taking them it was seen as something shameful.
If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
"You're depressed, on medication? Well, can't have
any pain meds.....you could become addicted."

The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
father locked her in her room back in the twenties
because she was simple. A shame that medication
probably would have helped her live a normal life.

No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
personality, she has a way of making grandiose
plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
with problems could be counted on to be
irresponsible."

Lois E.
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HOWEDY Fred,

"Fred Finisterre" <finisterre.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> He's been going for walks for 2 or 3 weeks
> but hasn't pee'd or poo'd oustide yet. Only
> on the newspaper in our home. If he's out,
> he'll wait till he gets home, then rush to the
> paper to do his business.

NO PROBLEMO! Take a sheet of newspaper HOWET
with you on his walks and he'll relieve hisself HOWEtside.

> Any ideas? He's 4 months old.

Here's a other SAMPLE of the LYING DOG ABUSING
MENTAL CASES you're ASKIN for HEELP:

> Fred.

Re: My 7 month Lab is so bad all of a sudden!

HOWEDY paula,

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"Paula" <mmmtoblerone.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On 1 Dec 2004 14:20:47 -0800, jbyrne.RemoveThis@fnf.com (Jacquelyn) wrote:
>
> >I am very frustrated.

That's NORMAL here abHOWETS.

> > I feel

FEELINS got NUTHIN to do with trainin dogs.

> > like lately the dog has been yelled at all of the time.

You've all got the SAME problems.

> > But you have to dicipline them,

No. Dogs and children do not have the
UNDERSTANDING to be "DISCIPLINED"
using methods OTHER than DEMONSTRATED
SELF DISCIPLINE.

THAT means you can't beat yourselves in
the head with the newspaper when you
FORGET to HIDE THE WEENIE or as in
culprit aka kelly aka metta's case, when she
FORGOT to put her dog's SHOCK COLLARS
on them and they MURDERED her own DEAD
KAT she'd been usin to PROOF the dogs for
her new shock fence. REMEMBER?

> > and let them know when they do something wrong

Dogs and children DO NOT UNDERSTAND
RIGHT or WRONG they ONLY understand
SAFE and S-HOWEND or PAIN HUNGER
NEED GREED and FEAR. They're TOTALLY
dependent on their handler or mommy to
meet their needs IN ADVANCE and respond
to their cries NEARLY INSTANTLY or they will
become FEARFUL and anxiHOWES.

"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham

> > (she just always seems to be doing
> > something wrong lately)!

"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value."

Like a confessor Priest?

"With him,
words play no torturing tricks.........., "
--John Galsworthy.

Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
Their behaviors reflect
HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

When you scold punish avoid bribe and
ignore behaviors of the domestic puppy
dog or child which you don't have the
INTELLECT to HOWEtwit they learn to
COMMAND your 100% UNDIVIDED
ATTENTION.

THAT'S HOWE COME PRAISE IN ADVANCE WORKS.

But in order for THAT to happen you gotta
STOP HURTING BRIBING CRATING and
INTIMIDATING or otherWIZE negatively
interacting in any way with your critters.

You GET The Critter You TRAINED

A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

> > What can I do to stop the madness?

You'll have to TAKE the CURE.

> I hear you on the frustration

ONLY dog abusers cowards liars and active
long term incurable mental cases post here.

> of a bratty adolescent

You mental cases AIN'T gettin away with BLAMIN
THE CRITTER for your inability to HOWEtwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog or pre verbal
child:

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

Your dogs and children are "OPPOSITIONAL"
and "HYPERACTIVE" on accHOWENT of
you hurt bribe intimidate crate shock choke
scold punish spray aversivses in their faces
and withold attention and affection and lock
them in boxes to AVOID behaviors you don't
have the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit.

> chewer,

Destructive chewing is a SYMPTOM of anxiHOWESNESS.

>but yelling constantly isn't the answer.

Yelling is a SYMPTOM of MENTAL ILLNESS.

> You do have to discipline dogs

THAT'S INSANE.


ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

You've got a VERY LONG POSTED CASE
HISTORY of child and dog temperament
and behavior problems CAUSED BY your
MENTAL ILLNESS, paula.

> and let them know when they do something wrong,

Catch22, dog abuser. Dogs and innocent children
CANNOT KNOW RIGHT or WRONG, therefore to
"LET THEM KNOW" when they done sumpthin
wrong would be CRITICISM, NOT DISCIPLINE
through DEMONSTRATED SELF CON-TROLL.

> but dogs have to know in the moment

You mean "CATCH THEM IN THE ACT".

THAT'S INSANE. If you "CATCH" the dog
"IN THE ACT" you'd have "FORGOT" to
HIDE THE WEENIE, according to the
WIZEdom of the DOG ABUSING MENTAL
CASES who PUPPY PROOF their HOWESES
and lock their dogs in boxes and bribe and
reward BAD BEHAVIORS with ALTERNATE
GOOD BEHAVIORS...

There AIN'T NO SUCH THING.

A dog or child CANNOT KNOW BAD or GOOD,
only SAFE and S-HOWEND or AFRAID and NEEDY.

> when they are doing something wrong

INNOCENT CRITTERS CANNOT DO WRONG.

> and don't need to be told by yelling at them.

They CANNOT be TOLD anything if they're
DUMB ANIMALS or PRE VERBAL CHILDREN.

> Rather than let the dog have access to rooms

THAT'S HOWE COME dogs MESS in their
HOWESES and CHEW sutff they FIND.

> and objects that she can destroy

You CANNOT puppy proof the HOWES.

THAT'S HOWE COME DOGS EAT POISON
and SWALLOW SUFF they FIND when you
FORGET to HIDE the weenie.

> and then yell at her after the fact,

You PREFER to "TELL" them when you CATCH
them IN THE ACT, which TEACHES them to DO
that behavior to GET your 100% UNDIVIDED
ATTENTION.

> you need to watch her like a hawk

After a few minutes of THAT the dog will
further engage you in a nice game of keep
away chase MHOWETHING jumping and
treats.

> and intervene before she destroys

If you INTERVENE you'll be CALLING your
100% UNDIVIDED ATTENTION to the behavior
problem which REWARDS the BAD BEHAVIOR.

We've been over this a few hundred times already.

REMEMBER?

You punish scold bribe reward ignore and avoid
behaviors UNLESS you CATCH THEM IN THE
ACT. THAT means your efforts to "NOT REWARD"
the dog's CRIES FOR ATTENTION or negative
attention getting devices are BEING REWARDED
when you CATCH THEM IN THE ACT.

THAT'S INSANE.

Seems SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSS is
a side effect of MENTAL ILLNESS.

> and confine her safely

No. THAT makes them MOORE fearful
and destructive and AVOIDS teaching
the dog SELF CON-TROLL.

> when you cannot watch her like a hawk.

IDIOT. If you TRAIN the dog not to chew
he WON'T CHEW. If you don't make the
dog anxiHOWES he WON'T DESTROY
your HOWESES and SHIT IN YOUR BEDS.

> My lab mix

A dog is a dog. You blame the BREED for
being UN CON-TROLLABLE.

> has decided

Dogs do not "DECIDE" they DO what they LIKE.

> that even greenies are not as good to
> chew on as plastic objects like pens.

Your dog doesn't get CAUGHT IN THE ACT
and TOLD not to CHEW greenies... but he
DOES get 100% of your NEGATIVE ATTENTION
EVERY TIME he chews a pen or steals from
the garbage or C-HOWENTERS.

THAT'S HOWE COME YOU CANNOT TRAIN
your dogs children or SP-HOWESES even if
they've PROMISED to not do what you CAUGHT
THEM IN THE ACT doin.

> I have kids as well as dogs,

You're a dog and child abusing mental
case with a very long posted case history.

> so it is difficult to keep pens from being left in her reach,

THAT'S HOWE COME we TRAIN dogs NEARLY
INSTANTLY not to DESTRUCTIVELY CHEW by
NOT PUNISHING THEM when we CATCH THEM
IN THE ACT.

You PUNISH your dogs and children and they
learn to FEAR and MISTRUST you and THAT'S
HOWE COME they GO INSANE and do stuff like
destroy your HOWES and attack your guests
and MURDER their toxic mommies if they ever
get SANE enough to realize HOWE COME
they was MADE INTO PSYCHOPATHS.

> but it's my job to do it or my fault if pens
> are destroyed and her stomach is at risk.

You're a lying dog abusing hypocrite. You
got NO method of trainin a dog or child to
do ANY THING other than FEAR and NEED
you to HEELP them by choking shocking
spraying aversives in their faces and lockin
them in boxes and tryin to get HOWET callin
THAT, trainin.

> So, we spend a lot of time together confined
> in one small room where she is not out of my
> sight with pens left around.

That so? S-HOWENDS like FUN!

> When she goes near one with her little snout,

You should PRAISE her and THAT will reduce
her anxiHOWESNESS over havin got PUNISHED
for her past BAD BEHAVIOR.

> I tell her "No" sternly but without yelling.

BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

THAT'LL TEACH THE DOG TO DO THAT
BEHAVIOR AS SOON AS YOU TURN
YOUR BACK.

You CANNOT PUNISH a dog or child for
a BAD BEHAVIOR on accHOWENT of
THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND RIGHT
or WRONG, GOOD or BAD.

THOSE are THINKING ADULT HUMAN QUALITIES
LEARNED through DEMONSTRATED SELF DISCIPLINE
and UNCONDITIONAL LOVE, as Christ taught.

Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME you lying dog
abusing MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMDIATE
BRIBE SHOCK CHOKE and CRATE dogs FEAR
The Amazing Puppy Wizard?

> She is not allowed free run of the house in the meantime

It only takes a few minutes to teach a dog
or child to do or not do ANY THING you ask.

> because it's not safe for her to have it.

On accHOWENT of YOU TAUGHT HER to
STEAL and DESTROY or SWALLOW any
thing that you FORGOT to HIDE from her.

The FASTEST way to TEACH a dog or child
to DO sumpthin is to tell them they CAN'T.
That CHALLENGES them to DO what you
SEZ they CAN'T DO.

> She has trouble sleeping through the night in a kennel lately,

You lock your dog in a box on accHOWENT
of your METHODS DO NOT TRAIN DOGS.

> for some reason,

The REASON is on accHOWENT of you're
a dog abusing MENTAL CASE. THAT'S
your HUMAN NATURE, the NATURE of
FEAR FORCE INTIMIDATION an CON-TROLL
to compensate for your fragile defective
ego's, weak fearful minds, and inferiority
complexes.

IOW, you GOT the critter you trained.

> but when I tried tethering her, she was fine with that.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAA!!!

janet boss taught nessa to tie her dog
to the bed to break IT of destroying and
shittin all over her HOWES. Her dogs
TURNED ON HER.

REMEMBER?

> She has enough room to move that she
> can toss and turn and stretch out or whatever
> she does all night that doesn't work in her
> kennel,

The dog is UNHAPPY in the kennel on
accHOWENT of the BARRIER. The
"tether" is a BARRIER. It will take a few
days of being "tethered" for the dog to
see IT as the next BARRIER to overcome.

Your dog will EITHER act HOWET or
collapse inward and succumb to STRESS
INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES,
OCD's like fear of thunder car sickness
separation anxiHOWESNESS and self
mutilation.

> but not enough to get to anything that
> she shouldn't have access to.

On accHOWENT of you don't know HOWE
to TRAIN your dog even after doin EVERY
THING you can think of EXXXCEPT NOT
HURTING and INTIMIDATING and AVOIDING
BRIBING SCOLDING PUNISHING and
CRATING your dogs and children to FORCE
CON-TROLL of the behaviors you don't have
the HUMAN NATURE to UNDERSTAND
on accHOWENT of THAT would EXXXPOSE
you to YOUR OWN HUMAN NATURE, which
you FEAR, which is HOWE COME you take
ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS.

REMEMBER?

> I got a chain leash so that she can't chew through it

Your dog chews his leash on accHOWENT
of YOU CHOKE HIM WITH IT. THAT'S HOWE
COME dogs do their "HAPPY DANCE" when
they see their leashes and pronged spiked
pinch choke and or shock collars comin.

You THINK they're EAGER to go for their
walkies or trainin session. They're BEGGIN
you NOT TO HURT THEM someMOORE.

NO WONder HOWE COME you doGgamened
MENTAL CASES you FEAR and HATE The
Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

> because I would expect her at this stage

You mean her "ADOLESCENT REBELLIHOWES
STAGE" discussed by Scott & Fuller. Too bad they
never figgered HOWET HOWE COME dogs and
children GET OPPOSITIONAL when they reach
adolescent maturity.

Here's a HINT: It's got to do with FEAR
MISTRUST and INSTINCT. Dogs and
children KNOW a MENTAL CASE is
abusing them and they CRY for HEELP
by DESTROYING THEIR HOWESES.

> in her brattiness

You MAKE your dogs INSANE, not "bratty."

> to try chewing through a regular leash

Dogs chew their leashes when you CHOKE them.

> and I'd rather prevent that

You'd have to learn HOWE to NOT CHOKE
your dog to PREVENT THAT, not get a non
destructible leash, you dog abusing mental
case.

> than clean up after it.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard will do the CLEAN UP work.

> You could tether your dog to your bed so
> she can be with you rather than crated

You mean a better MHOWES trap.

> but not be able to wander around and destroy
> objects around the house or even around
> the room.

Perhaps she'll just chew through the chain tether?

> Our relationship could be miserable at this point

Naaah?

> because I, too, could be constantly upset with Punk.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

> However, I choose to rearrange things

You mean you tied your dog to the wall
when lockin IT in the box and punishin
IT didn't work.

You got THE SAME PROBLEMS everyWON
else posting here abHOWETS got, for t he
SAME REASON, you lying dog abusing mental case.

> so that I have constant opportunities to be happy with her.

You mean when she's tied to the wall.

> She hears "good dog!" for every "no" since
> she gets immediate praise for looking up at
> me and away from the pen

Your dog LOOKS at you on accHOWENT
of SHE FEARS YOU. You INTIMIDATE,
not TRAIN. You INSTILL FEAR, not TRUST.

You TEACH GREED and FEAR, not UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.

>?

You got NO QUESTIONS left to ask.

> (or trash can, which we are also working
> on at the same time)

It takes MOMENTS to train a dog not to
eat garbage or C-HOWENTER SURF.

But you ONLY know AVOID and PUNISH.

> when I interrupt her machinations with a "no"

THAT teaches the dog YOU are IN CON-TROLL
and POSSESSIVE of the VALUABLE objects.

> and then I add more praise opportunities
> by asking her to get her chewie

You mean you REWARD your dog for BAD BEHAVIOR.

>and praising her for doing it,

Which is HOWE COME you CANNOT TRAIN
your dog NOT TO DO what IT AIN'T DOIN on
accHOWENT of you've REWARED the bad
behavior with an alternate incompatible behavior
which MEANS you gotta BE IN CON-TROLL
give an alternate incompatible behavior AS
A REWARD for BAD BEHAVIOR.

And THAT'S HOWE COME you're INSANE.

> telling her to sit and praising her doing so,

Has NO bearing on destructive chewin,
UNLESS you're offering and withholding
bribes or choking or shocking IT to make
IT sit... to avoid a undesirable BAD behavior.

BWEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

THAT'S HOWE COME YOU'RE INSANE.

> telling her to drop things

AFTER THE FACT?

> and praising her for doing so,

You mean PRAISE a BAD BEHAVIOR
after scolding the dog for a BAD behavior
IT CANNOT UNDERSTAND is BAD?

> etc.

THAT'S HOWE COME YOU'RE INSANE.

> So during one tv show, we have numerous very
> positive interactions as I ask her to get her chewie
> and drop it and get it and drop it and get it and drop
> it during commercials and sit and stay and down
> and stay during the show

THAT'S INSANE!

>(she likes to blow off a stay,

NO. She doesn't UNDERSTANT "stay" she
only FEARS YOU HURTING HER if she moves.

> but it's amazing how good she can be at it
> when there is not much else to do since she
> is confined in the room with us and we are
> all sitting quietly and only petting her if she
> is staying in her sit or down)

BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!

You mean your dog is HYPERACTIVE.

> and reward her along the way instead of hunting
> her down after a quiet spell and yelling at her to
> drop something she shouldn't have or yell at her
> for doing things she shouldn't be doing and then
> going back to my own thing only to hunt her down
> for more reprimands later on.

THAT'S INSANE. You're DOIN what
you're tellin us YOU DON'T DO!

> Does that make sense?

Only if you're studying human mental illness.

Oh, bye the bye, WELCOME to The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's Human Behavior Laboratory!

> Set it up so you have fun

INDEED. The Amazing Puppy Wizard chose
these forums very carefully, paula. The Amazing
Puppy Wizard came here to IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE
and DISCREDIT the professional dog trainin and
behaviorISM industries.

HOWEver, HE had FUN when HE discovered the
cure for ALL human and animal behavior problems,
paula. UNFORTUNATELY, you don't LIKE HIS findings.

Fortunately, it doesn't matter if you LIKE what The
Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ on accNHOWENT of
it's all been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN:

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

> and positives

You mean lockin IT in a box and watchin
IT like a hawk when IT ain't tied to the wall.

> while you are getting her through the negatives

If you wasn't a DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE
there WOULDN'T BE no NEGATIVES.

> of her age

A three week old puppy got all the brains he needs
to HOWEtwit the cunning of a human mental case.

> and breed

A dog is a dog. Only dog abusing mental cases
BLAME the BREED or the DOG for BEING AFRAID.

> and you will both be a lot happier.

No. You will NEVER be happy on accHOWENT
of you FEAR your HUMAN NATURE. You avoid
and HIDE from your FEARS like Adam did in The
Garden.

THAT'S HOWE COME you tak ANTI PSYCHOTIC medications.

> >Another thing is my baby is so smart.

Consider the source. She's been readin
HOWER forums since she got her dog.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

<snip idiocy>

> There comes a time when dogs figure out that
> they can blow you off when they don't want to
> obey a command even though they know full
> well what the command or rule is.

You mean kinda JUST LIKE HOWE your
children DIS-RESPECT steal and lie to
you and run HOWET on you and HOWE
COME your SP-HOWESES cheat and lie
and run HOWET on you?

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE THE SAME SAME.

> You need to let her know that you won't put up with that.

BWEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

THAT WIL TEACH THEM TO COMMAND 100%
OF YOUR UNDIVIDED MENTALLY ILL ATTENTION.

> Proofing is a necessary part of training.

You mean HURT the dog. So called "PROOFING"
CANNOT HAPPEN till AFTER the dog is TRAINED.

> Every trainer has to go through the process of
> teaching the dog that it should obey even when
> there are more interesting distractions around.

You ain't GOT that problem Your PROBLEM
is gettin the dog not to chew pens or attack
the garbage can or the kat when you AIN'T
standin there ready to HURT and INTIMIDATE
and AVOID and REWARD ITS BAD BEHAVIORS.

> Work with her on come with good treats

You CANNOT train a dog to come using bribes
on accHOWENT of any passin garbage can kitty
kat bunny or kid goin bye with a ball or weenie
in his hand will attact your dog's attention from
your miserable stinkin weenie.

Bribery does NOT train dogs to be dependable
it teaches dogs to do mindless meaningless
unthinking behaviors in exchange for food which
distracts the dog from LEARNING the LESSON.

> and a long leash so you can make her
> come to you even if she doesn't want to.

And THAT'S HOWE COME your dogs WON'T COME
any MOORE than you can make your SP-HOWESES
or children RESPECT you enough to come for you.

> If you are not in a position to enforce your command,

"REINFORCEMENT NEVER ENDS."

When you FORCE CON-TROLL you LOSE CON-TROLL,
as you've just SEEN with these destructive chewing and
C-HOWENTER SURFING threads. It's the same same
as EATIN POISON like perry aka bentcajungirl's DEAD
DOG Maggie or swallowing filthy undies and gettin
intestinal surgery like janet bosses dog or eating
gabrabe like diddler and stan the Nazi man's dogs
had intestinal surgery over.

REMEMBER? That's only a few instances
of you mental cases SOLVING the same
problem using the current WIZEdom as
taught in HOWER universities by ANAL-
ytic behaviorist.

> don't give it.

It takes minutes to install a 100% RELIABLE
INSTANT COME command as a conditional reflex.

> Otherwise, she learns that she can blow you
> off when she wants to and get away with it.

BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

INSTEAD of learning to ESCAPE any time you
ain't got IT on a long line to choke and drag in.

> You do need chew toys,

Not really. Dogs AIN'T rodents.

> but not necessarily all over the house.

Or at all, really. Dogs do not have problems
if they cannot chew toys, they HAVE PROBLEMS
when they're jerked and choked and shocked
and sprayed in the face with aversives and locked
in boxes and bribed and ENFORCED.

> They need to be confined with her so that she
> can get out her chewing needs

Dogs HAVE NO CHEWING NEEDS after teething.

EXXXCESSIVE CHEWING IS A SYMPTOM
OF ANXIHOWESNESS, NOT NECESSITY.

> but doesn't have the opportunity to make all
> the world her chew toy.

That's IDIOCY. Your dogs are NOT CHEWING TOYS
they're DESTROYING YOUR PERSONAL STUFF on
accHOWENT of THEY FEAR and HATE YOU on
accHOWENT of you're DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES.

> When she is not confined,

Then you'll HOWEND her constantly till youi
GOTTA CONfine her again.

> make sure you have her favorite chewies with
> you so that when she looks like she is looking
> for something forbidden to chew on, you can
> offer her a chewie and reward her for chewing on
> that instead.

THAT REWARDS THE BAD BEHAVIOR.

> Punk would rather eat a pen, but if she doesn't have
> that option, she can usually find it in her to chew on
> one of her chewies.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

IOW, YOU STILL GOT THE SAME PROBLEM.

> She lets me know how much she suffers,

THAT SO?

> but she'll do it.

THAT'S INSANE!

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

> Dog toys all over the house don't help me
> much in that moment when I am trying to
> distract her

THAT'S HOWE COME YOU CAN'T TRAIN YOUR DOGS.

> from the forbidden

From the FORBIDDEN FRUIT.

> and help her learn that it is not chewing that makes me upset

You mean makes you ACT INSTANE?

>but chewing the wrong things.

DOGS and CHILDREN CANNOT KNOW WRONG.

> You need to have some good ones right there with you.

THAT'S INSANE.

You're REWARDING BAD BEHAIVORS again...

THAT'S a SYMPTOM of MENTAL ILLNESS.

> Paula
> "I think I'm having the best childhood I've ever had!" ---Mimi

From: Diane (dbergman@wwdc.com)
Subject: biting and attention
Date: 1999/10/13

I hope I'm not being a pest,(I have at least one
question a week) but I've never owned a lab
before and I think my 8month old lab/shepherd
has severe problems.

This newsgroup made me realize she is normal.

Her major problem is biting but I'm told labs and
shepherds are both bad for that as puppies.

Tonight I went to answer the phone and she took
my arm and wouldn't let go. I had to hang up as
my arm still has puncture wounds.

Has anyone had this problem?

I think she gets upset that all my attention is not
on her anymore. (I do spend a lot of time with
her and everyone tells me that I spoil her too much)

She also bites when she needs to go outside.

Any suggestions?

------------------------------------------------------------------

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

THAT'S A SYMPTOM OF MENTAL ILLNESS.


BOTH THESE GUYS GOT DEAD DOGS
CAUSE THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE THEIR
Puppy Wizzzard TILL IT WAS TOO LATE.

"misty" <Momisty.RemoveThis@webtv.net>
wrote in message

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> I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive.
> I do know she's not here with us. I really can't
> blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the one
> who ignored your advice.
>
> I did it because of how you write/wrote.
> I was unwilling to accept the idea
> that my using a shock collar could have
> any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay
> home.
>
> Up until I started using it my main concern
> had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
>
> Once I started using the e-fence...well,
> then my concern became how to keep
> them from running off for days on end.
>
> I lost valuable training time becoming
> embroiled in the anti-shock debate and
> the "Jerry sux" tirades.
>
> I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in
> the world now <g> A Wits End> Trained dog,
> one who is completely housetrained,
> doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard,
> and doesn't bark all the time.
>
> IOW a great companion and friend.
>
> Thanks Jerry!

=====================

"misty" <Momisty.RemoveThis@webtv.net>
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> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this
> Spring. Two dogs, two collars We now have
> one dog and no collars.
>
> Peach and Zelda would run thru
> the fence, not want to come back in the yard
> and would run for days.
>
> The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
>
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to
> learn how to train my dog. She is now
> border trained. A few minutes each day
> reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.
>
> She no longer runs out into the road, I
> can stop her from chasing cats and she
> no longer cringes when we walk around
> the yard.
>
> I can not say loud or long enough how
> much I hate the e-fence and its collars.
>
> If you can't get a regular fence
> then you need to train your dog. I will never
> rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in
> our yard again.
>
> The price was too high:-(
> ~misty

============

<"Terri"@cyberhighway

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his
> posts and watching him extract his soggy foot
> out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I've
> only seen 2 naive childs come forward and
> actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive
childs since I freely admit to having read and, I
hope, understood enough of the manual and it's
counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of
Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant
barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of
supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with
the nagging idea that if people like them had been
posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to
hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our
arms while he was given the needle and having to
hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a
dog into good behavior. Naive is believing that
people that hide behind fake names are more
honest than people that use their real names.

Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have
studied and lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see
kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really
stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and
Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because
you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea,
and I don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward
> and actually admit to buying and having success
> with his little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day
and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use
and testing. You would never believe the results, so
you'll never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man
> coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what
> is sure to be coming to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and
Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get
what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says,
"poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===============

AND THOSE ARE THE RESULTS OF MENTAL ILLNESS.

Thank you, Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092

The Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW; - ) >

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Puppy won't pee outside [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

HOWEDY Fred,

"Fred Finisterre" <finisterre.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cpr2iu$7bv$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> He's been going for walks for 2 or 3 weeks but
> hasn't pee'd or poo'd oustide yet. Only on the
> newspaper in our home. If he's out, he'll wait till
> he gets home, then rush to the paper to do his business.
>
> Any ideas? He's 4 months old.
>
> Fred.

HOWEDY clive,

"Clive Bundy" <clive.bundy.DeleteThis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:cp4cos$pa2$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
>
> I'm disappointed

Perhaps you should change your
anti psychotic meds, eh clive?

> I didn't think these Idiots foul mouthed

You mean FHOWEl MHOWETHED, don't
you, dog abuser. DECENT PEOPLE DO
NOT POST HERE abHOWETS.

> or no were allowed or permitted accesses to the group.

Are you a NAZI or are you JUST A COWARD, clive?

> With apologize to our other four legged friends

You mean like the DEAD DOGS your pals here
abHOWETS have jerked and choked and locked
in boxes and sprayed in the face with aversives
and MURDERED when you dog abusing mental
cases are TOO SCARE to HURT and INTMIDATE
your dogs someMOORE?

BWEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

> the saying "you only expect kicks from a donkey"

You're the donkey, clive. You're aking liars
dog abusers cowards and active long term
incurable MENTAL CASES for the same
same problems they got and CAN'T TRAIN
or THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE TRYING TO
TRAIN THEIR DOGS FOR YEARS with NO
SUCCESS.

> appears pertinent

What's PERTINENT is THIS, clive:

From: Diane (dbergman@wwdc.com)
Subject: biting and attention
Date: 1999/10/13

I hope I'm not being a pest,(I have at least one
question a week) but I've never owned a lab
before and I think my 8month old lab/shepherd
has severe problems.

This newsgroup made me realize she is normal.

Her major problem is biting but I'm told labs and
shepherds are both bad for that as puppies.

Tonight I went to answer the phone and she took
my arm and wouldn't let go. I had to hang up as
my arm still has puncture wounds.

Has anyone had this problem?

I think she gets upset that all my attention is not
on her anymore. (I do spend a lot of time with
her and everyone tells me that I spoil her too much)

She also bites when she needs to go outside.

Any suggestions?

------------------------------------------------------------------

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

Subject: housebreaking good but now bad
Monday, December 06, 2004 10:15 PM

"MauiJNP" <jmh1116.DeleteThis@ptd.net> wrote in message
news:5qednUx3Pu72vSjcUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
> My 5 month old puppy was doing very well
> for a bit with his housebreaking and now he
> seems to have forgotten everything he ever
> learned.
>
> We will both not survive if we have to start over.
>
> What can I do as a quick refresher?
>
> I haven't changed the routine at all, just take
> him out whenever he's at the door or every
> hour even if he hasn't been at the door.
>
> He gets treats when he comes in (after going
> potty only). What can I do? HELP! Thanks!
---------------------------------

> C

WELCOME to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Forum School Of HARD KNOCKS, clive.

"Tending To Agree With The Positive Reinforcement Method?"

HOWEDY People,

Hello Tara,

"Tara O." <tara29401.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:n%Zy6.30496$BC6.8869056@e3500-chi1.usenetserver.co
m...

> I tend to agree with the positive reinforcement
> method.

Oh, that's nice. I tend to think people who tend to
agree with positive reinforcement methods tend to be
pulling our chains... That's what I tend to think,
based on my experience working with people who tend to
agree with positive reinforcement who TEND TO
hurt their dogs when their tendencies to use positive
methods are outweighed by their tendencies to run out
of information or intellect and TEND to get frustrated
and TEND NOT to do the things they TEND TO believe are
right, when they TEND to be frustrated, or TEND to be
at a loss for INTELLECT, and TEND TO resort to
violence because they TEND to be shy on BRAINS... I
TEND TO view those folks as hypocrites, that's what I
TEND to do because I just happen to TEND to be HONEST,

> IMO, shock collars should be used only after normal
> obedience training methods have failed.

If your NORMAL obedience training TENDED to properly
train dogs, there would be a TENDENCY to have well
trained dogs. But that's not the case, becasuse NORMAL
obedience training TENDS to provoke, intimidate, and
confound your dog and inhibit his ability to think
and learn to want to work and think and learn... SEE?

That's what I TEND to think about NORMAL obedience
training which TENDS to FAIL because it TENDS to
resort to VIOLENCE instead of TENDING TOWARDS
THE MOST EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC METHODS AVAILABLE.

> It just bothers me to imagine shocking my dog, even
> at a very low frequency.

It bothers me less to think of shocking the dog than
thinking about what punishment and confrontation can
do to a dog's temperament. That's what I tend to think
based on my thirty eight years professional experience
training dogs.

> I will definitely admit that there are many dogs who
> either can't or won't benefit from training without
> such things as e-collars.

Is that based on your thirty eight years of experience
specializing in temperament and behavior problems and
protection training in giant breed dogs? Or is that
based on your TENDANCY to believe incompetent dog
abusing Thugs who tell you they TEND to get excellent
results from HURTING dogs to train them because they
TEND NOT TO be intelligent enough to outwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog???

OR IS IT BASED ON YOUR TENDENCY TO MURDER
YOUR OWN DEAD DOG Summer?

> I just hope its a last-resort, not a first.

And I just hope you figure out why your pals here who
hurt dogs to train them TEND to claim they have me in
their killfiles, because they TEND NOT TO be able to
answer my questions in good conscience...That's what
they TEND to do around here because our lying dog
abusing Thugs TEND to be INCOMPETENT, IMMORAL,
UNETHICAL, UNPRINCIPLED, DOG ABUSING COWARDS.

Like yourself.

That's what I tend to think.

Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~}
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~ ) >


<ThePuppyWiz....DeleteThis@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 17:12:11
GMT Local: Thurs, Oct 7 2004 10:12 am

Subject: "I'm Shocked That I Shocked" tara o. aka tee,
NC Boxer Rescue Abuse

HOWEDY People

Here's WON of HOWER MENTAL CASES
hurtin dogs and lying abHOWET it again.

"I'm shocked that I shocked"

"Tara O." <nos....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bh9f81$vrac2$1@ID-92443.news.uni-berlin.de...

> Due to someone reprimanding Jar-Jar & the word
> "rescue" in the post, I decided to read down and see
> what he was spewing now. I was able to learn that
> besides choking, pinching, crating, abusing and
> murdering my dog, I also shocked her. I must be
> suffering from amnesia.

> Can someone point me to a post where I said
> I shocked my dog, or any dog, or that I even
> know *how* to use an e-collar....assuming I had one
> which must have been stolen at the same time I lost
> my memory.

> One would think Jerry would be happy with the
> "murder" part and all my other training sins but
> evidently not.
> --
> Tara

HOWEDY tara o.,

You didn't HURT INTIMIDATE and MURFDER
your own DEAD DOG Summer:

Date: 2003-04-28 18:09:04 PST

> "Tara O." wrote:

> > Labs are a breed that are normally trained for
> > field work with ear pinches, e-collars and other
> > forms of physical interaction without making them
> > fearful or aggressive.


==============

From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Dane hyper when passing other dogs
Date: 2001-04-21 12:07:54 PST

I think its pertinent to mention that I've never had
any dogs who exhibited signs of aggression or were in
any way, shape, or form resistent to whatever
"training" I did with them.

I would not feel comfortable relying on my past
experience or a book to train a dog to stop biting,
snapping or growling.
--
Tara O.

===================

From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Canine Behaviors For Dummies
Date: 2001-06-11 19:42:23 PST

"joshua" <jos....DeleteThis@ycsi.net> wrote in message
news:9g3uoi$sc7$0@63.90.193.133...

> I cant seem to understand why people believe prong
> collars are cruel and inhumane. They do nothing more
> than pinch, getting the attention of the animal.

> Choke collars, on the other hand, do permanent
> damage. They bruise the esophagus.

> Shock collars will eventually destroy nerve endings,
> much the same as electric fencing.

Joshua, you have just reopened a can of worms
that can quickly cause infestation here lol
--
Tara O.

===============

From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: jerry howe
Date: 2001-04-04 11:58:06 PST

> People are tired of being abused and insulted simply
> for saying they use a prong collar, or a choke
> collar, or an e-collar, or a crate, etc. If you want
> to LEARN more about dog training and dog behavior,
> then listen to what they have to say, too.

"I've never not listened to what people say here.
I use a crate, am about to begin with a choke collar,
I'm not the bad guy here." tara o.

======================

From: Tara O. (tara29...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Electronic Training Collars
Date: 2001-05-11 17:29:33 PST

""Twzl, Sligo and Roy Happy Together"" wrote

> BTW, this is one of the frequent topics on obedience
> email lists. When people say that they haven't used
> corrections, it turns out that they feel that if
> they do it, it's not a real correction. :)

That makes sense in a weird sort of way. I don't
honestly think that its humanly possible to train
anyone or anything without correction. Its human
nature to say 'no' or to stop a behavior by doing
something. I used a tin can with coins to correct
Summer's bad puppy behaviors and the cold shoulder
to correct her other less desirable behaviors. I
have said 'no' so many times that I probably sound
like a broken record. Amie can attest to that
lol.

It seems to me that some people are automatically
equating the term correction with punishment. I
guess they can go hand in hand since my tin can
wasn't something Summer liked. My ignoring her
when she's misbehaving is also something she
doesn't like. Therefore it can be viewed as
punishment? And that term is 100% negative.

Maybe if more people saw it as correction and not
the total negative, they'd be less inclined to
want to be PP.

Don't know if the way I wrote that made sense, it
makes sense in my head but then again the men with
the white coats could come a'knockin at any
moment.

Tara O.

===================

From: Tara O. (nos...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Any hope? rage?
Date: 2003-03-26 05:46:02 PST

Yes I see and understand your point. There's no such
thing as 100% vigilence 100% of the time IMO. You
could call an e-fence company to find out if its
possible to wire only your front door so that if she
gets within a certain range of that front door the
collar will start working. I'd think there would be a
way to work that and it may be inexpensive to do
so.

There are also items called Scat Mats that you place
in front of doors or any area you don't want your dog
to proceed through. When stepping on the mat, it gives
off a vibration, something which most dogs hate.
They'll stay far away from the mats. I believe you can
buy them from
--
Tara

==================

Tara O. (nos...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Need advice--barking dog
Date: 2003-08-06 17:38:14 PST

you could consider installing an invisible fence just
inside the fence line so he cannot get too close. You
could talk to your neighbor about splitting the cost
of whichever alternative you both find most
acceptable.

--
Tara

=================

From: Tara O. (nos...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Containment Collars
Date: 2003-03-11 07:12:57 PST

I know people who have electric fences and it works
very well for them. I know people who have them and
whose dogs escape and refuse to come back in. From
the details I know of all involved, I wouldn't use an
e-fence on:

1. An adult dog that wasn't raised with the fence from
a puppy
2. A dog with a high prey drive
3. A very stubborn dog

If I put my female out in an e-fence, the very first
kid, cat, dog or squirrel she sees would have her
bolting through the barrier shock or not. When she
finally loses interest in whatever has caused her to
leave and her adrenalin has diminished, she will think
rationally