Puppy doesn't pee in my bed

Bobby B wrote:

> The point of this story is, she didn't pee. In fact, I had trouble waking
> her up, which I never experienced before. So I concluded that she peed
> because she wakes up as opposed to waking up because she has to pee. And
> she wakes up because she doesn't like sleeping alone.

I have no idea if this is true in your case, but one of my dogs prefers
sleeping with us (2 humans + 1 Great Dane in a Queen size bed = Circus
Act), and this has become an issue since the weather has turned cold. I
keep the house cold at night, because Khan is up puffing and panting if
the temperature gets in the upper 60s, and I guess it is too cold for
her. So, Pan gets up in the middle of the night, and once she's up, she
will go pee if I let her out, but is quite happy to hop in bed with us
and snore in our ears instead. And, she is happy to sleep in as long
she is on the bed, and one of us is there to keep her company.

It's time to break out the doggie blanket and tuck her in before we turn
in. Maybe your pup is getting up not only because she's lonely, but
also because she's cold.

Suja
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From: Mike (m.biddisc@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> >
> > Mike
>
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike


From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a
blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

===================

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com):

I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.

I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.

I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.

My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.

For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!

I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.

Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.

For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.

We simply eliminated the nagging and the
acting out to get NEGATIVE attention from
one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.

So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.

It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot
of blame that we have to accept, but once we
realize that we've caused these problems to
arise, we can strive to make things better.

AIMEE

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry M Male" <larrymmale DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
To: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard DeleteThis @EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Cocker with ear infection
>
> Thanks Jerry,
>
>
> I enjoyed the scientific discussion debunking
> operant conditioning for teaching thinking animals.
> Humans think by forming concepts. All of their
> knowledge is held as a hierarchy of concepts
> (more complex concepts defined in terms of
> simpler ones). In my mind, to treat such a being
> as a B. F. Skinner robot is criminal.
>
> I don't believe that dogs hold their knowledge
> as concepts as do humans but their ability to
> think is unquestionable.
>
> Operant conditioning doesn't utilize an animal's
> ability to think. When you show a dog what you
> want them to do, then they are able to grasp the
> problem; they are able to think about it and to
> integrate possible solutions into their mind.
>
> But with operant conditioning a trainer is actually
> hiding the problem to be solved from the animal.
>
> For example, it is good for your dog's attention to
> be upon you. When heeling, he will notice your
> movements, your subtle hand signals, your facial
> expressions and he will immediately sense your
> next command. But the clicker trainers have forgotten
> the reasons why a dog's attention should be upon you.
>
> So they condition a dog to unnaturally cock his head
> to stare upward at you. The dog doesn't appreciate
> the meaning of this and neither does the trainer. Since
> this unnatural behavior is prized in the obedience ring,
> the clicker trainers are motivated to condition it.
>
> Don't you think that the "high five" hand shake that
> clicker trainers use to motivate novices looks like a
> Nazi salute (an unthinking reflex). It is not at all like
> a warm hand shake from a loving companion, is it?
>
> Some of your testimonials bring tears to my eyes. I
> love to see how some "thinking" people appreciate
> your methods.
>
> --Larry


>----- Original Message -----
> Subject: GREMLINS
>From: "Larry" To: "The Puppy Wizard"
><thepuppywizard DeleteThis @earthlink.net Sent:
> Friday, July 02, 2004

I live in an apartment complex that accepts dogs. I
have recommended your web site and your training
manual to quite a few pet owners. Unfortunately, it
seems to be human nature for them to not address
training until their dog's behavior problems become
serious.

Several people have seen me out working with Kit. They
cannot believe it when I am able to call a 7 week old
pup away from them. Those who have pups of their own
say that they are waiting until their pups are older
in order to begin traini ng.Itellthemtobeginnow.
But they don'tknowwhattodo.

Have you ever seen the movie "Gremlins"? The Mogwai
comes with three rules: 1) keep out of bright light,
2) keep away from water and 3) never feed after
midnight. Of course disaster befalls the new owners
because they don't take these rules seriously. When I
last watched this movie I thought to myself, how
similar it was to getting a new puppy. Just as does a
Mogwai, a puppy has a nature that demands proper
handling and just as it will with a cute little
Mogwai, mishandling will turn your cute little puppy
into a gremlin.

--Larry

Subject: PetsMart Puppy Playtime
Date: 2004-07-17 12:05:36 PST

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry"
To: "The Puppy Wizard" <thepuppywizard DeleteThis @earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 2:48 PM
Subject: Kit rules PetsMart Puppy Playtime

Hello Jerry,

The experts say to take your puppy to puppy
classes to socialize them with other puppies.

Kit went to Puppy Playtime at PetsMart today.

I guess that I fail to see what Kit could learn
from those unruly puppies except perhaps
some bad behaviors.

Anyway he mostly lay there quietly and watched.
He wasn't' scared or apprehensive and he didn't
mind approaching other dogs if they seemed willing.

But it was a mad house-a beagle sounding off, a
boxer jumping on everyone, a bull dog pushing his
way around, a Great Dane tripping over everyone,
a little pug barking and poor little Kit getting trampled
because he was so much smaller than everyone else.

Once, he got a bit defensive and snarled and yipped
when this one bigger terrier kept picking on him
(scratching him hard).

Several people commented to me how calm Kit
seemed to be. They wondered if it were a breed
characteristic.

I told them that it was my training method, but
most of them seemed to just get that look in
their eye that says "Yea, yea".

But this one lady seemed interested so I referred
her to your web site. She had a rescued dog which
she held in her arms and it would snap at other
dogs when she gave them any attention.

She would immediately grab her little dog's muzzle
and squeeze it tightly. She finally confided in me
that it did the same to her husband and to her 25lb
cat.

I told her that it was going to get worse and
worse if she didn't address it immediately.

I know that carrying that dog around like she
does and tucking him tight under her arm
when another dog approaches is exasperating
her dog's behavior. I told her so. She said that
she would immediately go to doggydoright.com.

I hope she does.

--Larry

"Bobby B" <sung7864 DeleteThis @yahooooo.com> wrote in message
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> So my puppy was waking me up every morning around 4am (I kept
her in my
> gated master bathroom). If I ignored her, she peed. I just
assumed that
> she woke up because she needed to pee, but she slept with some
guests I had
> over one night who let her sleep in their bed, and she made it
through the
> night. Hmm....
>
> So last night I let her sleep in my bed. I was miserable. She
constantly
> snuggled up next to me, and when I scooted over, she scooted
over too. I
> kept pushing her away, but she would eventually scoot over
again.
> Cute...yes, but I like to roll from side to side, and I couldn't
do that.
> Plus, every hour or so she got up, did a 360, and went back to
bed.
>
> The point of this story is, she didn't pee. In fact, I had
trouble waking
> her up, which I never experienced before. So I concluded that
she peed
> because she wakes up as opposed to waking up because she has to
pee. And
> she wakes up because she doesn't like sleeping alone.
>
> But I don't want to sleep with my dog! But I don't want to keep
walking her
> at 4am either. I thought about getting another dog so she has
someone to
> snuggle with, but that's a bit extreme. What should I do?
>
>
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HOWEDY tommy, you anonymHOWES lying dog
abusing mentally ill coward,

"Handsome Jack Morrison" <me10004.DeleteThis@privacy.net.invalid> wrote in
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> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:58:01 -0400, "Bobby B"
<sung7864.DeleteThis@yahooooo.com>
> wrote:
>
> []
> >But I don't want to sleep with my dog! But I don't
> >want to keep walking her at 4am either. I thought
> >about getting another dog so she has someone to
> >snuggle with, but that's a bit extreme. What should I do?
>
> Try pushing the pup's crate into *your* bedroom,

The dog will object to the crate, tommy.

> right next to *your* bed.

The dog will CRY, tommy.

> So that she can SEE and SMELL you.

The dog can do THAT from the crapper, tommy.

> That's almost as good as getting to sleep in your bed, right?

Almost. janet boss tells folks to tie the dog to the bed.

> She'll soon be able to make it through the night anyway,

Lucky thing, on accHOWENT of you got NO advice.

> and you shouldn't have to keep getting up at
> 3-4 o'clock for much longer, if at all.

WATCH.

> Good luck with your pup!

You're a idiot. Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK. "Luck is for
SUCKERS," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

Here's lyingdogDUMMY aka tommy soronson
beatin a dog to HOWEsbreak IT to save ITS life:

But FIRST, a little good KOEHLER trainin:

Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking
Backslider.

"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of
these "backsliders" will think they're winning and
will continue to mess in the house.

An indelible impression can sometimes be
made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long
duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he's
made so you can come back at twenty minute
intervals and punish him again for the same
thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)

In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog,
as well as the house, if you really pour it on him."

"Housebreaking Problems:

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"

Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the opportunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment.

Make certain he is equipped with a collar
and piece of line so he can't avoid correction.

When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.

Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.

It is important to your future relationship that you
do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
hold of him.

When he's been spanked, take him outside.
Chances are, if you are careful in your feeding
and close observation, you will not have to do
much punishing.

Be consistent in your handling.

To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an opportunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.

The same general techniques of housebreaking
apply to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the
house.

For the grown dog who was reliable in the house
and then backslides, the method of correction
differs somewhat.

In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.

The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation.

The fact that he once was reliable in the house is
proof that the dog knows right from wrong, and it
leaves you no other course than to punish him
sufficiently to convince him that the satisfaction of
his wrongdoing is not worth the consequences.

If the punishment is not severe enough, some of
these "backsliders" will think they're winning and
will continue to mess in the house.

An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and
punish him again for the same thing.

In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.

It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him.

"Handsome Jack Morrison"
<handsomemorrison.DeleteThis@thedetonatorearthlink.net> wrote in
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> On 26 Jul 2003 22:14:29 GMT, dogstar716.DeleteThis@aol.com
> (DogStar716)
wrote:
>
> >>>Never mind dogman :)
> >>
> >>You too? Some folks just never learn.
> >
> >Uh huh :)
>
> One of the signs of mental illness is to say "Uh
> huh" a lot.
>
> >>PS: If the "trainer" you were talking about isn't
> >>on this list, he (or she) is NOT an approved
> >>Koehler trainer, no matter how loud you scream
> >>otherwise.
> >
> >May I laugh again? LOL! One doesn't need to be on
> >a list to use Koehlers methods or teach his
> >methods.
>
> Let me be among the first (apparently) to tell you
> that not every trainer who uses a leash is a
> *Koehler* trainer.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> This person may call herself a Koehler trainer, but
> if she's hanging 12 week old puppies, she's about as
> far from a Koehler trainer as a dog trainer can
> possibly be.
>
> Again, this is just your IGNORANCE showing.
>
> I can call myself a devout Christian, but if I'm not
> adhering to the doctrine, I'm something else.
>
> >>http://www.koehlerdogtraining.com/patoflearn.html
> >Sorry, the very first sentences make me aware that
> >whoever wrote it knows nothing about PR based
> >training:
> >
> >"Amidst the current (and politically correct) trend
> >in Positive Reinforcement Only training systems"
> >
> >You cannot use PR only.
>
> Au contraire. Many, many posters to r.p.d.b. (and
> many other places as well) *claim* that they use
> nothing but R. You know, the PPers.
>
> And they do it quite loudly, too.
>
> Surely you aren't blind (and deaf), as well as
> ignorant?
>
> Those are hard handicaps to overcome, Dogstar.
>
> >And if you knew anything about PR BASED training,
> >you would realize that. It's not all cookies and
> >babytalk.
>
> There is no stronger supporter of R than Handsome
> Jack Morrison, but I also use every behavioral tool
> in my bag, including R-, P, and P-, because I know
> that even R has its limits.
>
> You'd know that too, if you didn't have your head in
> the sand.
>
> > But that seems to be the battle cry of the
> > Koehler-ites.
>
> The Koehlerites have no battle cry.
>
> They have behaviorism on their side, and that's more
> than enough.
>
> >I don't need instruction on how to give my dogs a
> >proper leash correction as I do not rely on a leash
> >to control or teach my dog.
>
> That may or may not be suitable for your needs, but
> it's not suitable for the majority of dog owners,
> especially since the advent of leash laws.
>
> Besides, after just a few weeks of proper Koehler
> training, Koehler dogs likewise are no longer in
> need of a leash.
>
> That you apparently don't know that, once again
> shows me just how ignorant of anything to do with
> Koehler you are.
>
> >My last two dogs have been trained offleash right
> >from the start, using rewards for what I like, and
> >nothing for what I don't like.
>
> Good for you, and if that level of training is good
> enough for you, fine. But it's not good enough for
> many of the rest of us.
>
> >Again, I'm not saying Koehler doesn't work.
>
> I really have no idea what you're saying anymore,
> because you apparently know so damn little about
> Koehler and behavioral principles in general that
> it's hard to have an informed discussion with you.
>
> PS: It boggles my mind at how stupid you must be to
> keep denying that those certain harsh methods are
> only for LAST RESORT situations, intended only to
> SAVE A DOG'S LIFE, even after I've repeatedly given
> you direct *quotes* from Koehler's book saying just
> that. It's like you don't even care how stupid
> people think you are, or how devious you are, etc.
> That can't help your cause any. You'd think that
> you'd at least want to *appear* to be honest, even
> if you're not. -- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently
> remove the detonator to reply via e-mail


"Handsome Jack Morrison"
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> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:52:18 -0400, "Krishur"
> <kris_brock.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Good books huh?
>
> Absolutely. Some are, in fact, classics.
>
> >Which idea was your favorite, the one where they
> >tell you to alpha roll a "dominant" dog,
>
> There's nothing inherently wrong with rolling a dog
> (i.e., it *can* and *does* work in *some*
> situations). Unfortunately, most people either do it
> incorrectly, do it at the wrong time, etc.
>
> >or where they tell you that you didn't hit him hard
> >enough if he doesn't yelp or approaches you within
> >5 minutes of his punishment?
>
> If physical discipline is deemed necessary (after
> careful evaluation), it's much more cruel not to get
> it over with quickly than it is to do it
> incrementally and half-heartedly, which usually only
> invites the need for even more discipline.
>
> >Maybe you liked when they recommend these beatings
> >for housebreaking accidents, chewing/destructive
> >behavior, stealing, trying to get on your bed
> >at night and dog on dog aggression.
>
> At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
> dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
> *not* constitute a "beating."
>
> I'm sorry if you don't agree.
>
> And each of those behavior "problems" needs to be
> looked at in its proper context.
>
> A quote from the Monks:
>
> "We repeat, these situations may merit physical
> discipline. Since no book can pretend to analyze
> every individual dog and situation, we feel
> obligated to emphasize from the outset that
> discipline is never an arbitrary training
> technique to be applied to each and every dog for
> all offenses. We do, however, believe that physical
> and verbal discipline can be an effective technique.
> The best policy if you experience any of the above
> problems is to consult a qualified trainer or
> veterinarian for evaluation of your individual
> situation....
>
> "If discipline is decided upon as a training
> technique, it should be the proper technique. We
> feel we have developed several methods that depend
> less on violent physical force than timing, a flair
> for drama, and the element of surprise.
> We feel an obligation, as responsible trainers, to
> map out
> these methods, rather than simply skip the topic
> because it is unpleasant. Dog owners want to know
> what to do."
>
> In other words, physical discipline is reserved for
> those serious, special occasions when other methods
> have failed.
>
> For example, they do not recommend using physical
> discipline for *routine* housebreaking chores --
> only on those rare occasions when an already
> reliably housebroken dog is (after careful
> evaluation) deemed to be soiling the house on
> purpose, backsliding, etc.
>
> I'll give you an actual example. Years ago, an
> adult dog was brought to me as an *incurable*
> house-soiler. It was either get the dog reliably
> housetrained or the dog was going on a one way trip
> to the pound. Being the kind, compassionate trainer
> that I am, I was prepared to do whatever it took to
> get this dog house-trained and save his life.
>
> After several weeks of more or less traditional
> training, and to poor result, I brought out the big
> guns -- physical and verbal discipline. Whenever the
> dog soiled the house (no, you don't even have to
> catch him in the act), I immediately (but very
> calmly) tossed a leash on his collar, dragged him to
> the scene of the crime, and (using a large
> chair as a prop) tethered him to the leg of the
> chair, with his nose about two inches away from the
> poop. After a couple of swats on the rump, some
> loud vocalizing, and a wait of about 20 minutes, I'd
> release the dog and then ignore him for a while. I
> had to repeat this process *three* times, I think --
> and the house-soiling miraculously stopped. The dog
> went home to enjoy a long and contented life with
> his original owners, and I got to feel good about
> myself.
>
> So, yes, the Monk's books are good ones. Even for
> novices.
>
> Yup, that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.
>
> -- Handsome Jack Morrison *gently remove the
> detonator to reply via e-mail


Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >

P.S. Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.

"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.

What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >


"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marshall Dermer" <dermer.DeleteThis@csd.uwm.edu>
> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
> <ThePuppyWizard.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, July
> 23, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
>
>
> Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
>
> I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
> and now must applaud your attempts to save
> animals from painful training procedures.
>
> You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
> who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
> alert the world to animal abuse.
>
> We are lucky to have you, and more people should
> come to their senses and support your valuable
> work.
>
> Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
> charity to fund your important work?
>
> Have you thought about holding a press conference
> so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
> and significant work?
>
> In closing, my only suggestion is that you
> try to keep your messages short for most
> readers may refuse to read a long message
> even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
>
> I wish you well in your endeavors.
>
> --Marshall Dermer
> Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior
> Analysis Specialty/Department of Psychology/
> University of Wisconsin- -Milwaukee/ Milwaukee,
> WI 53201
> dermer.DeleteThis@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
> --------------------------------------

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.


"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

GOT MILK?
 >> Stay informed about: Puppy doesn't pee in my bed 

Bobby B said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> But I don't want to sleep with my dog!

I know what you mean. Dog Rocky is a "give him an inch, he'll
take a mile" dog. Once he's on the bed, I've lost occupancy
rights. Luckily, he prefers a colder surface.

> But I don't want to
> keep walking her at 4am either. I thought about getting
> another dog so she has someone to snuggle with, but that's
> a bit extreme. What should I do?

You want my dog Friday. What a ho. He's really really cuddly
with anyone who's met him once, quad or biped, but takes up
little room.

Seriously, if you don't want your dog on your bed, provide her
with a good alternative. Since she's a puppy, a crate next to
you would be nice.

So: the 4 am walking will continue. No amount of training or
additional dogs will change it. Take her out at 4 am, every
time. Put on a coat and slippers or run out naked in
emergencies - your pup doesn't care (though your neighbours
might).

But don't make housetraining a big deal, just start with a
peeing schedule which works for you. You'll click. I think
that it's cool that you recognised her need for extra attention.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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"Rocky" <2dogs.RemoveThis@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Fri958DEA4466BA0australianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...
> Bobby B said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > I think that it's cool that you recognised her need for extra
attention.
>
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

You're a mental case a liar and a dog abuser
and you can't post here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE.

From: Rocky (mbonner@sunada.com)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14

Biosound.RemoveThis@aol.com (Jerry Howe) wrote in
<37D698CF.405B0D2A.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net>:

>By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are
>suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If
>that's what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around
>the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of
>crap has got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
>you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of
>dealing with behavior problems.

Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.

Why did you blow it?

--Matt


"Rocky" <> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...

> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?

> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.

> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.

> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often
> > > make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter,
> > > neither of which we want to do.
>
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> > No matter what Jerry Howe states.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for
her coment above regarding her success with
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive
Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique
was quite similar?

> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.
> > I feel very sorry for her and her family.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.

> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > using an abusive form of training.
>
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for
Cubbe at the beginning, but we've come a long
way since then.

She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"

"It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly
beyond value. With him, words play no torturing
tricks.........., " John Galsworthy.

Like a confessor Priest? Don't bet your dog won't
tell on you... Their behaviors reflect our words,
actions and training quirks. Jerry HOWE, The
Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...
>
> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
> is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
> keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
> up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
> and the vet agrees.
>
> --Lia

"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

> --
> Diane Blackman
> http://dog-play.com/
> http://dogplay.com/Shop/

Here's MOORE:

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

From: sionnach (rhyfelwr@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
>
> And Sally responded:
>
> >Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> >that, and neither would most of the regulars on here.
> >Sally Hennessey
>
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so.
> Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies
> across the room!
>
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a
> 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
>
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".

Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."

THAT'S INSANE. AIN'T IT.


"J1Boss" <j1boss.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...
>
> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
>
> Janet Boss

"sionnach" <rhyfelwr.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1boss.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...
>
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

From: culprit (culprit@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert,
while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST
"micha el" <spam_yurself.RemoveThis@spamyourmamma.com> wrote in message
news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@comcast.com...
>
> Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
> it felt like to me when I got shocked by
> Hope's collar.
>
> It felt like a bomb going off in my
> hand and forearm.

--------------------------------

"Tricia9999" <tricia9999.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021117101433.10365.00000067@mb-cg.aol.com...

> >> how effective are these electronic fences in
> >> keeping a dog on a property????
>
> Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
> too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
>
> Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
> because the dog got caught right in the path of
> the shock and will now not go near his person,
> won't go outside.
>
> Just hides under a desk in the house.

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 >> Stay informed about: Puppy doesn't pee in my bed 

How far away from your bed is the ensuite? Perhaps she wants to be closer,
and keeping her in a crate next to the bed, where she can smell you and hear
you breath, and you could put your hand in to pat her if she wakes, might be
the answer. Our pup would wake and cry, more often than when she had to go
wee wees, so we shifted the crate to beside the bed where she could hear us
breath and where we could comfort her without getting out of the bed and she
slept half way through, and when she was old enough we just left her sleep
and she would last 8 hours.
Anyway, I think crating right next to the bed is best. Sleeping in the same
bed as you may create dominance issues later on. Also, if you don't desex
her she may bleed in your bed. Very foul. Also, my mother was a child and
took her puppy to bed with her. She slept deeply and rolled on it. It died
of suffocation. Very sad, but dogs, especially puppies, are best kept out of
your bed, but in your bedroom on the floor.
:0) GOODLUCK! It will all be worth it when she is trained.
Jade.

"Bobby B" <sung7864.RemoveThis@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
news:WfOdnS07jtKEDuDcRVn-ow@comcast.com...
> So my puppy was waking me up every morning around 4am (I kept her in my
> gated master bathroom). If I ignored her, she peed. I just assumed that
> she woke up because she needed to pee, but she slept with some guests I
had
> over one night who let her sleep in their bed, and she made it through the
> night. Hmm....
>
> So last night I let her sleep in my bed. I was miserable. She constantly
> snuggled up next to me, and when I scooted over, she scooted over too. I
> kept pushing her away, but she would eventually scoot over again.
> Cute...yes, but I like to roll from side to side, and I couldn't do that.
> Plus, every hour or so she got up, did a 360, and went back to bed.
>
> The point of this story is, she didn't pee. In fact, I had trouble waking
> her up, which I never experienced before. So I concluded that she peed
> because she wakes up as opposed to waking up because she has to pee. And
> she wakes up because she doesn't like sleeping alone.
>
> But I don't want to sleep with my dog! But I don't want to keep walking
her
> at 4am either. I thought about getting another dog so she has someone to
> snuggle with, but that's a bit extreme. What should I do?
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Puppy doesn't pee in my bed 

You're a MENTAL CASE.

"Jade" <Jade_at_Jaywings_dot_com> wrote in message
news:1098752016.268693@router.vpn.cc.uq.edu.au...
> How far away from your bed is the ensuite? Perhaps she wants to
be closer,
> and keeping her in a crate next to the bed, where she can smell
you and hear
> you breath, and you could put your hand in to pat her if she
wakes, might be
> the answer. Our pup would wake and cry, more often than when she
had to go
> wee wees, so we shifted the crate to beside the bed where she
could hear us
> breath and where we could comfort her without getting out of the
bed and she
> slept half way through, and when she was old enough we just left
her sleep
> and she would last 8 hours.
> Anyway, I think crating right next to the bed is best. Sleeping
in the same
> bed as you may create dominance issues later on. Also, if you
don't desex
> her she may bleed in your bed. Very foul. Also, my mother was a
child and
> took her puppy to bed with her. She slept deeply and rolled on
it. It died
> of suffocation. Very sad, but dogs, especially puppies, are best
kept out of
> your bed, but in your bedroom on the floor.
> :0) GOODLUCK! It will all be worth it when she is trained.
> Jade.
>
> "Bobby B" <sung7864.TakeThisOut@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
> news:WfOdnS07jtKEDuDcRVn-ow@comcast.com...
> > So my puppy was waking me up every morning around 4am (I kept
her in my
> > gated master bathroom). If I ignored her, she peed. I just
assumed that
> > she woke up because she needed to pee, but she slept with some
guests I
> had
> > over one night who let her sleep in their bed, and she made it
through the
> > night. Hmm....
> >
> > So last night I let her sleep in my bed. I was miserable.
She constantly
> > snuggled up next to me, and when I scooted over, she scooted
over too. I
> > kept pushing her away, but she would eventually scoot over
again.
> > Cute...yes, but I like to roll from side to side, and I
couldn't do that.
> > Plus, every hour or so she got up, did a 360, and went back to
bed.
> >
> > The point of this story is, she didn't pee. In fact, I had
trouble waking
> > her up, which I never experienced before. So I concluded that
she peed
> > because she wakes up as opposed to waking up because she has
to pee. And
> > she wakes up because she doesn't like sleeping alone.
> >
> > But I don't want to sleep with my dog! But I don't want to
keep walking
> her
> > at 4am either. I thought about getting another dog so she has
someone to
> > snuggle with, but that's a bit extreme. What should I do?
> >
> >
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Puppy doesn't pee in my bed 

Wow. Great theory! Maybe she's cold. Maybe that's why she snuggles.

Has anyone tried putting a heating pad in your dog's crate? You could put
it on the lowest setting and place a thick towel on top of it so that
there's just barely any warmth in addition to wrapping it in another towel
so she claw it, and thread the cord through the crate so the dog can't chew
it. Plus, you could get a big enough crate to where the pad only covers
half the crate so she can move to the other side if she gets to warm.

Sounds kinda dangerous, but if you really think about it, it can be made
safe. Thoughts?

"Suja" <spanaval DeleteThis @scs.gmu.edu> wrote in message
news:G9lfd.12580$6P5.2342@okepread02...
> Bobby B wrote:
>
> > The point of this story is, she didn't pee. In fact, I had trouble
waking
> > her up, which I never experienced before. So I concluded that she peed
> > because she wakes up as opposed to waking up because she has to pee.
And
> > she wakes up because she doesn't like sleeping alone.
>
> I have no idea if this is true in your case, but one of my dogs prefers
> sleeping with us (2 humans + 1 Great Dane in a Queen size bed = Circus
> Act), and this has become an issue since the weather has turned cold. I
> keep the house cold at night, because Khan is up puffing and panting if
> the temperature gets in the upper 60s, and I guess it is too cold for
> her. So, Pan gets up in the middle of the night, and once she's up, she
> will go pee if I let her out, but is quite happy to hop in bed with us
> and snore in our ears instead. And, she is happy to sleep in as long
> she is on the bed, and one of us is there to keep her company.
>
> It's time to break out the doggie blanket and tuck her in before we turn
> in. Maybe your pup is getting up not only because she's lonely, but
> also because she's cold.
>
> Suja
 >> Stay informed about: Puppy doesn't pee in my bed 

Bobby B wrote:

> Sounds kinda dangerous, but if you really think about it, it can be made
> safe. Thoughts?

I wouldn't put electrical anything inside a puppy's crate. Much too
dangerous. If it isn't possible to give her a blanket to snuggle in (I
understand that some pups eat this sort of stuff), I'd suggest a small,
portable electric heater outside the crate. Maybe arrange it so that
only one end of it gets heated, so that she can get to a cooler spot if
necessary. Or maybe a heating pad, although that has some risks
associated with it too.

It could just be that she's lonely, and that's why she's waking up.
That would be simple enough to find out - move the crate next to your
bed and see what happens.

BTW, Pan got tucked into her doggie comforter last night. She got up
once to check on me, but that's it - no attempts to get on the bed.

Suja
 >> Stay informed about: Puppy doesn't pee in my bed 

Suja wrote:
> necessary. Or maybe a heating pad, although that has some risks
> associated with it too.

Meant to say Hot Water Bottle, not heating pad. Come to think of it,
I've seen heating pads specifically made for dogs somewhere. Don't know
how different it would be from the human version.

Suja
 >> Stay informed about: Puppy doesn't pee in my bed 

I agree that electical anything is too dangerous for a puppy's crate so
I thought of an old fashioned hot water bottle which are lovely on cold
toes on winter nights, but a second's thought on that made me realize
that a puppy's needleteeth would turn that thing into a flood waiting to
happen. For something warm and not dangerous, how about an oven-baked
brick wrapped in several layers of towel?


--Lia
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