Problem with feeding stray dogs.

<danoas RemoveThis @netscape.net> wrote in message
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> so master of all there is...
> would you murder the dog instead? best to put it out of it's misery,
> no?
> That would be kinder in your mind?
> Keep wanting to go where dogs go...maybe you will end up a starving
> village dog
> so you may fully understand your brand of compassion!

I'll try to explain my point of view in a little more detail. Perhaps I am
having trouble understanding conditions where you live, so I'll explain what
they are like in the U.S.

Here, if you feed stray dogs, you are going to attract more stray dogs. A
whole bunch of dogs getting together maximizes the chance for transmission
of diseases among them. It also raises the chance that the female dogs will
get bred and have puppies.

Then, you'll have even more dogs to feed. Is that really the best thing?

Where I live, a person will usually feed a stray dog in order to gain its
trust so that it can be captured. Why? If it's ill, to treat it or have it
put to sleep. If it can possibly become someone's pet dog, then to pass it
on to a rescue group or shelter, but it will never be a pet if it's out
running the streets.

Here, a bunch of stray dogs can mean trouble. They will kill people's
livestock and maybe pass diseases on to their pets. They can get rabies,
because they haven't been vaccinated. Sometimes a pack of half-wild dogs
will become aggressive and attack people, especially children.

So while it can seem to be kind to feed village dogs, maybe it is not
necessarily so kind, and maybe it isn't safe for the people who live near
them. Just something for you to think about.

Respectfully,

flick 100785

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> I'll try to explain my point of view in a little more detail. Perhaps I am
> having trouble understanding conditions where you live, so I'll explain what
> they are like in the U.S.
>

i always thought the us worked in pretty much the same way as here in
the uk.
ie, i come across a stray and pick him up either by having him come or
by earning his trust but either way i pick him up. he gets scanned or
searched for id (which of course is never present).
we do the detective work (which not all rescues do) and so far every
stray ive had here is back with owners but should i not find the owners
i would have 7 days to wait and then i could rehome the dog.
so if you were to call the aspca would they not come out at all flick?

ps im not being funny its an honest question :)
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"dallygirl" <kwickwick.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> i always thought the us worked in pretty much the same way as here in
> the uk.
> ie, i come across a stray and pick him up either by having him come or
> by earning his trust but either way i pick him up. he gets scanned or
> searched for id (which of course is never present).
> we do the detective work (which not all rescues do) and so far every
> stray ive had here is back with owners but should i not find the owners
> i would have 7 days to wait and then i could rehome the dog.
> so if you were to call the aspca would they not come out at all flick?

There is no animal control where I live, in a rural area in the southern
U.S. None, zero, zip. There is some in the nearest towns, but you can't
turn in "rural" strays, because they check ID. Seriously.

Animal control is usually funded locally, either on the city or county
level, so it varies from place to place. And some places have none.

flick 100785

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> ps im not being funny its an honest question :)
>
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In article <Xns978666D418CA3diddydiddynet.DeleteThis@216.196.97.142>,
diddy.DeleteThis@diddy.net says...


diddy,

That was a wonderful post!!!!

I agree with everything you wrote!!!

In my area the ferals are also spreading rabies.

Papa
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flick wrote:
> "dallygirl" <kwickwick DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1142330432.955549.157970@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > i always thought the us worked in pretty much the same way as here in
> > the uk.
> > ie, i come across a stray and pick him up either by having him come or
> > by earning his trust but either way i pick him up. he gets scanned or
> > searched for id (which of course is never present).
> > we do the detective work (which not all rescues do) and so far every
> > stray ive had here is back with owners but should i not find the owners
> > i would have 7 days to wait and then i could rehome the dog.
> > so if you were to call the aspca would they not come out at all flick?
>
> There is no animal control where I live, in a rural area in the southern
> U.S. None, zero, zip. There is some in the nearest towns, but you can't
> turn in "rural" strays, because they check ID. Seriously.
>
> Animal control is usually funded locally, either on the city or county
> level, so it varies from place to place. And some places have none.
>
> flick 100785
>
> >
> > ps im not being funny its an honest question :)

WOW!! thats a great big steaming pile of dung!! if it was a fellow uker
telling me this i would answer with an i-dont-believe-you 'no'

but with id, if a rural dog ended up in a town pound would the owner
then not be contacted or would the dog be dumped back in the country?
how does that work?

i find this brain addling
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On 15 Mar 2006 02:10:11 -0800, "dallygirl" <kwickwick.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>but with id, if a rural dog ended up in a town pound would the owner
>then not be contacted or would the dog be dumped back in the country?
>how does that work?
>
>i find this brain addling

Here in northeast TN, so many dogs wear no tag at all. Many have no collar. Micro chipping
is still quite a rarity in this area. So, dogs arrive at the shelter every day, with no
way to reunite them with their respective owner. And many owners never think to check the
shelter for their dog.

If a dog comes in with even a rabies tag, the shelter uses that to track down the owner,
but sometimes they run into a dead end. After a three- or five-day hold [depending on
whether the is purebred or wearing any sort of tag], he is offered for adoption, if there
are no health/behavior disqualifications. If he is not adopted, but stays healthy, and the
shelter doesn't get overloaded, he can end up staying for many weeks--depending on how
well the euthanasia technician [and other staff members] likes him. Eventually, the dog is
killed; long after the staff has grown too fond of him. There are many variations of this
scenario.

As for "brain addling," yes, it truly is that. Welcome to animal control. I'll never get
used to what I see at our little shelter. The shelter has gone from 30 runs/cages three
years ago, to 60 runs/cages now. And last weekend, we came close to having to turn away
dogs, or ask people to delay in bringing them. Long ago, I used to wonder if it ever ends.
Now I realize it never slows down! These days, there's also one or two horse abuse cases
going on. :-(

Whatever it takes.
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In article <1142417411.488750.137030.RemoveThis@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
kwickwick.RemoveThis@hotmail.com says...
>
> flick wrote:
> > "dallygirl" <kwickwick.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1142330432.955549.157970@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > i always thought the us worked in pretty much the same way as here in
> > > the uk.
> > > ie, i come across a stray and pick him up either by having him come or
> > > by earning his trust but either way i pick him up. he gets scanned or
> > > searched for id (which of course is never present).
> > > we do the detective work (which not all rescues do) and so far every
> > > stray ive had here is back with owners but should i not find the owners
> > > i would have 7 days to wait and then i could rehome the dog.
> > > so if you were to call the aspca would they not come out at all flick?
> >
> > There is no animal control where I live, in a rural area in the southern
> > U.S. None, zero, zip. There is some in the nearest towns, but you can't
> > turn in "rural" strays, because they check ID. Seriously.
> >
> > Animal control is usually funded locally, either on the city or county
> > level, so it varies from place to place. And some places have none.
> >
> > flick 100785
> >
> > >
> > > ps im not being funny its an honest question :)
>
> WOW!! thats a great big steaming pile of dung!! if it was a fellow uker
> telling me this i would answer with an i-dont-believe-you 'no'
>
> but with id, if a rural dog ended up in a town pound would the owner
> then not be contacted
Around here if it has tags or chips they contact.

> or would the dog be dumped back in the country?
> how does that work?
>
After 3 days they go to doggie heaven around here unless they think they
can be adopted. Most of the cats are put down because they are mostly
feral.

> i find this brain addling
>
>
Thats why I keep my dog in the house, on a leash, or supervised in my
fenced in yard. If outside he wears a collar with tags (rabies and an
ID tag) and he will be getting chipped when he gets neutered in a few
weeks. All dogs in this county are required to have a rabies tag when
outside of your home, but it doesn't happen.
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"dallygirl" <kwickwick.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> i can see what your saying about the cost of keeping a stray on, my
> credit card is uaually wimpering in the draw lol but to be charged to
> take a dog to rescue is just sick.

This is how I understand the system to work, and someone else can correct me
if I'm wrong. We live in the U.S.A., but services like animal control
aren't national, they're most often local. I think this is different than
where you live (?).

In the U.S., there are publicly funded shelters/pounds, or "animal control,"
and they are supported with local monies - like from the city, or the
county. Of course, there may be private shelters/rescues also, and they'll
have their own rules about what animals they will take in, either more or
less restrictive than the public shelters. They will get funds from
donations, running a thrift shop, and grants, for example.

If it's a publicly funded shelter, it's paid for by taxes, the local budget,
and maybe local animal licensing fees. There may even be a law that says
they can only take in animals from their city or county. So in a way I
can't blame them. They can't afford to give their services away to people
who aren't paying for it, like non-resident me.

> dogs is big business and most poor creatures have to live their lives
> in not always the greatest of conditions while someone makes money off
> their backs. my biggest personal pet hate is rescues who no longer
> exist for the animals but instead exist for profit.

I haven't had any personal experience with rescues like that. The private
rescue I used to volunteer for rarely had any profit to speak of, as far as
I could tell - it was run on a shoestring.

flick
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could be, then it'll be time to "cull the herd", clean your rifle
lately?
maybe the PETA folk might help out!
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