Praising a dog for incorrect behavior makes NO sense to me!

HOWEDY katra,

This is HOWE COME you can't train your dogs:

"Katra" <Katra RemoveThis @centurytel.net> wrote in message
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> And don't forget, the Puppy Whizzer manual will tell you to
> PRAISE your dog for anything it does, inlcuding crapping on
> the rug...
>
> Make sense???
> NOT!
>
> K.
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Date: 2003-06-21 15:08:17 PST


"Katra" <Katra RemoveThis @centurytel.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> The Puppy Wizard wrote:
> >
> > HOWEDY katra,
> >
> > Is that on account of you stopped HURTING your dog?
> >
> I quit hurting, scaring, intimidating or yelling at my dogs
> a very long time ago.
>
> Have you?
>
> > Don't take usenet TOO seriHOWEsly...HOWEver, you
> > might find you've got to CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIOR
> > and THINKIN or LIE to defend it.
>
> I don't take Usenet as seriously as you do, obviously!
> I did not lie by the way, I DID start the excercizes at the
> beginning of the manual prior to trying to distract her from
> jumping, (the excercize that confused her and made her
> piddle), but did not perfect them before moving on... I did
> not understand that it was necessary. You never made that
> clear!
>
> So, I am not a liar.
>
> > All animal behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
>
> Or misunderstanding... Sometimes you have to understand WHY
> an animal does something before you can cure it. That is not
> always easy.
>
> >
> > You don't have to call it ABUSE.
> >
> > The Puppy Wizard will do that for you. <grins> .
>
> Yes, I know that Mr. People abuser. <grins>.
>
> See below, teaching Jewely to sit at my feet when called has
> been successful. It is hardly abuse! Willow and Corwyn both
> do the same thing and the boys have no bad or destructive
> behaviors.
>
> > The Puppy Wizard. <};~ ) >


You're DEAD WRONG.

ALL behavior problems are THE SAME SAME
SAME SAME. They only wear different clothes.

As for the manual, you did NOT thouroughly READ THE TEXT.

As for ABUSER, your own posts PROVE The Puppy Wizard's
POINTS... CHECK EM HOWET:

The Puppy Wizard. <};~ ) >

HOWEDY katra,

"Katra" <Katra RemoveThis @centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:3EC331EE.1509645A@centurytel.net...
> I have a copy since I post with my real e-mail, he sent it
> to me...
>
> E-mail me privately, I'll send you the text instead of the
> attachment. :-)
>
> Some of it is good, some of it is crap.

INDEED? You mean, the parts that sez you can't
PUNISH and CHOKE your dogs noMOORE?

> The intro.' tries to get you to always praise your dog
> no matter what it does!

IMAGINE??? What a twit, eh???

> Praising a dog for incorrect behavior makes NO sense to me!

RIGHT!

But ABUSING THEM, DOES MAKE SENSE, to a DOG ABUSER.

> But, some of the other info. and training techniques have
> merit.

NOT FOR YOU. You cannot benefit from any of the
METHOD if you don't use ALL of the METHOD,
EXXXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED, cause the SCIENTIFIC
and PSYCHOLOGICAL TECHNIQUES WILL NOT WORK,
if YOU DO NOT USE THEM.

> I'd also read other books,

Would you now? You think you can improve upon PERFECTION?

> and combine what works for *your* dog!

You mean, HURT the dog WHEN IT FEELS GOOD.

> K.
> Kurt Harless wrote:
> >
> > OK,
> >
> > See various post by the Puppy Wizard, some actually seem
> > rather informative What is this "The Wits' End Dog
> > Training Method", can't seem to find it online
> >
> > Kurt & "Tank"

"Katra" <Katra RemoveThis @centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:3EC9DC7B.64115F64@centurytel.net...
> And don't forget, the Puppy Whizzer manual will tell you to
> PRAISE your dog for anything it does, inlcuding crapping on
> the rug...
>
> Make sense???
> NOT!
>
> K.
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"Katra" <Katra RemoveThis @centurytel.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Susan Reardon wrote:
> >
> > What is wrong with this guy Jerry Howe? The "Puppy
> > Wizard"? Why must he reply to every single thread in all
> > of the doggie newsgroups??? He scares me! Are his training
> > methods really proven? Why is he so rude to everyone?
>
> He is a troll, he has always been a troll, and he will
> always be a troll.
>
> You have two choices, either killfile him or just stop
> reading (ignore) his posts. I can see who the sender is on
> my browser so just mark his posts as "read" and seldom ever
> even open them anymore. ;-)
>
> K.

BWWWAWAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!



Here's two Pauls:

Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p RemoveThis @cfl.rr.com
To: Witsenddog RemoveThis @aol.com

Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.

My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.

When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.

I will write to Amanda about the video.

I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.

Thanks again
Paul

> > =============================


----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bousie
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM
Subject: Geday.


Hey J,

I see nothings changed on the NG. Still the same
old crappy advice and misunderstanding of the
only advice worth reading.

The problem with your method J is that I can't
answer the questions on the NG no more, people
are after a quick fix, they don't want to understand
that dog training requires a disiplined method, I'm
now really understanding that they are all result
orientated, they want the dog to sit, to down, to
stay, to come, to stop it's "bad" behaviours, they
want to stamp out each anxiety one at a time not
realising they create a new one as they deal with the last.

I feel sorry for them, they don't understand, they
don't even realise the errors of thier ways and
they arn't self thinkers, they follow the majority,
after all if everyone says thats the way then it
must be. I've finally realised people don't want
to learn to train dogs they want a trained dog,
they want a little puppet that sits and stays and
downs and does all the nice doggy stuff or so
they think, then when the dog acts like a dog
they come squealing to the NG asking how to
stop the dog being a dog.

I have a nice little visulisation of a dogs mind
that I think demonstrates the way we approach
dog training. Imagine lots of little circles all in a
cluster, each one representing a dog anxiety or
behaviour ( desied or not), each circle represents
something about the dog, all of them create what
a dog is.

The traditional way to train a dog is to stamp out
the "bad" circles, try to eliminate as many as you
can, problem is each one you stamp out another
takes it's place (anxiety circles can't be destroyed
they just change), obviously it's a futile exercise,
but thats the traditional way.

Now imagine a big circle that completely surrounds
all the small circles, this big circle is the whole dog,
that's what we get hold of with all the little circles
inside, we don't see the little circles we see the BIG
circle the macro as you put it and use that to train.

I laugh now when I see posts critisising you, they
are critising something they don't even understand
or even have the capacity to understand.

See ya,

Paul

===============


From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbousie@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST

It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of a cat bowl
without too much difficulty.

My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although
Roz licks up any bits that have been dropped around the bowls :-)

I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction
anytime the dogs tried to eat the cats food, followed
with immediate praise. It worked a treat.

The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there is
food left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we go
out and leave the dogs with access inside through a dog door.

Paul

--
Obedience and affection are not related, if they
were everyone would have obedient dogs.

See the dogs, cats, us and pics of NZ etc at my homepage.....

http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/paulbousie/index.html

Updated regularly (last time 23 Jan 01) so keep coming back!!!

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"Paul B" <someone RemoveThis @microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
> "shaper" <nomail RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:3edb6bbb@quokka.wn.com.au...
> > I have been reading these forums for a few weeks
> > now, and am getting really confused!!
>
> > but is there actually anyone who has used the
> > methods in this manual with any success ?

100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL, NEARLY
INSTANTLY, BY NEARLY EVERY FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Student.

It's the GENTLEST, FASTEST, MOST EFFECTIVE,
NON FORCE, NON CONFRONTATIONAL, NON BRIBE, SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL
technique in the
Whole Wild World, BAR NONE.

> > I am wanting to get a rhodesian ridgeback soon
> > and really would like to know the best and most
> > effective way of training without using food treats
> > or violence (i do agree with what the guy says
> > about food treats and violence)
> > Thanks for any intelligent replies

> I have tried his methods and found them extremely
> effective. There are several areas in particular I
> found useful.

>
> He teaches you and the dog to pay attention to each
> other all the time. He teaches you to have such good
> communication with your dog you don't need leash
> corrections or shock collars or even food, you can get
> the dogs attention any time you like by calling it or with
> a snap of your fingers.
>
> When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close
> to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching
> them without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use
> good communication and was unable to be tempted
> to use the lead to correct them.
>
> Another part of the training I agree with is not using
> the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no"
> or react with it in such a way that you become involved
> in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach
> often results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you
> are about but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding,
> counter surfing etc).
>
> Basically you are taught to make your dog a good
> friend who likes and wants to work for you for the
> pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy
> is included in this), teach it to recall reliably,
> then to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc).
>
> Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur.
> If you understand what you are trying to achieve and
> are prepared to work with it you can get great results.
>
> Paul

===============================


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Fitz [mailto:donfitz69@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 11:53 a.m.
> To: Amanda RemoveThis @DCFWatch.com; paulbousie RemoveThis @clear.net.nz
> Subject: Jerry Howe
>
> Hi,
> Jerry uses your email in his posts and I was wondering
> what you have to say of his training methods.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Bousie" <paulbousie RemoveThis @clear.net.nz>
To: "'Don Fitz'" <donfitz69 RemoveThis @hotmail.com>; <Amanda RemoveThis @DCFWatch.com>
Cc: <jhowe2 RemoveThis @bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Jerry Howe


> If you have read the newsgroup posts then you must
> already have a good idea about what I think.
>
>
> His methods are the best I have come across. They
> aren't a quick fix but an entire training concept so if
> you aren't in for the long haul then don't bother. If
> you go his way then you have to forget all the other
> gibberish that other people spew, you have to believe
> in what you are doing, then and only then will you get
> the results.
>
>
> You can't combine his methods with other training
> methods, not until you understand what you are
> trying to achieve, and even then I have only ever
> combined about 2 other trainers ideas and even
> then just a snip of what they suggest which works
> in parallel with the Wits End concept.
>
> His methods make you as the trainer completely
> responsible for your actions, his methods make
> you think and work out your own solutions for
> any given situation, the default (the recall) is
> always there to get things under control again.
>
>
> His ideas and concepts teach you to work with
> the dog, to develop a team and a willingness to
> work together which is surely the best way to be.
> His methods don't use force or intimidation but
> they do totally emphasize the absolute importance
> of pack (family pack) structure, without that you
> can achieve almost nothing.
>
> If you are wondering how a dog can be trained
> without any negativity the answer lies in the recall,
> anytime your dog doesn't follow through with a
> request you call him / her to you, since the recall
> is the first thing taught and it is taught in such a
> way it becomes a reflex the dog always returns
> to you, it is a subordinate position for the dog and
> we release it by asking for a "heel" which is an
> "equal" position.
>
> His methods are very good, his understanding of
> dogs is excellent, I recommend his methods.
:
> Paul Bousie

==============================



"Paul B" <panders RemoveThis @zfree.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3c2ae204@clear.net.nz...


> Bollocks, the manual has no dangerous suggestions at
> all, people who find the manual useful are those that
> don't need to control a dog to satisfy their own ego
> but simply want a well behaved dog that is easy to
> live with. I would suggest the people who follow the
> advice in his manual are people who have already
> tried other inefficient methods and are fed up with
> the poor results.


> The more I think about the methods he suggests the
> more sense it makes, the biggest problem is people
> believe they have to be in control of the dog, tell it
> whats right and wrong, dogs don't understand
> our values and I don't believe they are capable of
> understanding them either, so to train them we use
> methods they understand. That means abstract
> training, doing sometimes what appears to
> almost be the opposite of what makes sense to us.


> If you are purely result orientated then you will not
> find Jerry's manual much use, if you love your dogs
> and love to work WITH them then his manual is
> your dream come true. Distraction and praise works
> with any dog, when you sit back and really think about
> it, it's very obvious why.


> When a dog is properly distracted (and praised) of a
> particular behaviour then that behaviour very quickly
> becomes unfulfilling so the dog will no longer have any
> interest in pursuing it, whether we are about or not,
> thats the key to stopping garbage can raids and food
> stealing etc etc, no force, no bad dog, just distracting it
> in an appropriate manner that it no longer wishes to
> pursue that behaviour.


> Better than hiding the garbage can eh?


> Paul


=======================


Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?

Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbousie@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Good dogs!!! bad dogs.??
Date: 2000/10/21

Something occurred this morning that made me think how
we treat our dogs and what expectations we have of them.

Because it was a Saturday we slept in and the dogs
eventually jumped up on the bed on my wife's side. After
a brief greeting she very abruptly demanded they get down,
"OFF THE BED" she insisted, Sam looked at her perplexed,
so she repeated the "order", so Sam tried to lick her face,
"GET OFF" she said abruptly.

Sam got down but was unsure what he had done wrong. After
a bit they both came over and jumped up on my side, I patted
them etc and eventually asked them to get down, "off the bed,
good dogs" and they hopped off immediately with no prob's.

Eileen asked me why they obey me and not her so easily.
I told her they got down for me because I asked them to,
they know the command "off the bed" or "off anything" so
there is no need to demand it of them, ask them and they
will comply, demand it and they get confused because
they think you are annoyed with them but they don't know
why so they try to "make amends" which is why Sam licked her.

I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all, all
dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they are
good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.

Telling Sam he's a good dog after he sit's apart from been too
late is also a gamble because if he doesn't sit then there's
no positive interaction.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog"
sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find your
dog thinking then responding everytime.

Paul

=======================


From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Paul.

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"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes RemoveThis @easynews.com> wrote in message
news:pjaootcg8dgrptuu96383933eqk2jjp7b2@4ax.com...

> I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the
> literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance
> and "make the dog earn everything it gets." I tried this
> once or twice, just by taking a stern tone of voice, and
> the results were terrible.

> The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from
> me. That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE
> Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the fact
> that Jerry is an all-around great guy.

> The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this:
> make yourself the center of your puppy's world --
> his personal Lord Jesus.

> Never give him a reason to fear you or think you're angry.
> Love the heck out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.

> This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do anything
> I want her to, if she understands, because she trusts me
> 100 percent, and nothing is more important in her world
> than her relationship with me.

> http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy

> Charlie

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"misty" <Momisty RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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:
> I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
> know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
> anyone here for her loss. I'm the one who ignored
> your advice.
:
> I did it because of how you write/wrote.
:
> I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using
> a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach
> not wanting to stay home.

> Up until I started using it my main concern had
> been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I
> started using the e-fence...well, then my concern
> became how to keep them from running off for
> days on end.
:
> I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
> in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
:
> I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
> world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one
> who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew
> up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
> the time.

> IOW a great companion and friend.
:
> Thanks Jerry!

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misty" <Momisty RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
> Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no
> collars.
:
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
> to come back in the yard and would run for days.
> The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
:
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
> to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
> minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
> the yard.

> She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
> her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
> when we walk around the yard.
:
> I can not say loud or long enough how much I
> hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get
> a regular fence then you need to train your dog.

> I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my
> dog in our yard again.
:
> The price was too high:-(
:
> ~misty

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<"Terri"@cyberhighway

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that
people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> admit to buying and having success with his little black
> box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box
first?)

Hello People,

Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.

----------------------------------------------

Your Puppy Wizard. <}YPW ; - } >



CAVEAT
If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you
would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing
them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your
dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes,
shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or
punish your dog in any manner, that corrections
are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the
punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they
can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a
trainer that knows HOWE.


Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686)
Phone: 1-888-WITSEND (1-888-948-7363)
http://www.doggydoright.com

Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
-Francis Bacon-

There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
should, please, not hit at all.
-Nietzsche-

The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are
learned qualities.

The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow to make him smarter.

The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and
timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant
corrections, and scolding.
-Jerry Howe-
The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW ; ~ ) >

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW ; ~ } >
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