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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:30 pm
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I googled a few of these questions and retrieved this information from
a few websites.

In addition, I have added some of my own observed insights as I have
personally found these 'web' answers to be true and I can also add that
scratching its feet in a cage sometimes just means that the PARROT
WANTS OUT.

As has been already suggested by at least one other group menber,
African Greys do not like to soil their own living areas ... it is
unnatural to them. Many species of birds actually do stick their
behinds out of their 'nesting' area to poop; and as far as scratching
.... they are foragers but generally keep off the 'jungle' floor. More
so, they drop pieces of their food for the forest 'floor' dwellers.
This is part of the natural jungle ecosystem.

African Greys are particularly acute and are frighteningly attentive to
levels of noises coming from below them. This is a natural instinct
that comes from the predator snakes in their natural jungle
environment. They still retain these learned and naturally developed
survival instincts!

You need to avoid two distinctive behaviors if you DO NOT want to
frighten an African Grey:
1. Chasing them with a broom ... an imprinted instinct they detest from
how they were once captured in the jungles of Africa.
2. Sudden noises or movements from below them. (i.e. snakes, predators)

>From the 'web': Scratching on the cage bottom:

Birds from those species who normally forage on the ground for food,
like the African Grey, may scratch on the floor of the cage, much like
a chicken.

Wiping: It is common to see a bird wiping her beak after eating.
Often, the bird will wipe her beak on a perch, the cage floor, or the
cage sides to get it clean. Some birds use beak wiping as a way to
mark their territory. This behavior may be seen in birds when
introduced to others or kept in areas in which other birds are near.

Why do pet parrots sometimes poop in their food or water?
Answer:
Often, the cause of this problem is lack of space in the cage to select
a better spot to poop or it could be perch placement. If the perches
are only over water or food, they bird may have few options when it is
inside its cage (which should be as little as possible since a healthy,
happy companion parrot is out of the cage interacting with its humans
as much as possible)
Pet parrots will tend to avoid pooping where they sleep and where they
eat if they are provided with sufficient space to be able to easily
avoid having to do so.
In fact, a parrot can be potty trained to go in a specific place or
even to go on command.

(Added note about 'potty-trained': Mine is.)

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:03 am
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I was told that scratching in the cage at a young age was norma
"acg" stuff
and will go away. It did after a few weeks. They usually find a corne
of
the cage and stick their beak there and scratch away with the feet

ACGs hate to poop in their cage. It is best to have a flat top cag
that has
a metal drawer on top that can be removed for cleaning and therefor
the
poop does not drop into cage. He can also use this as his outside pla
area.
My acg has a morning routine
He wakes me up with a short screec
I open cage and he climbs to top and always goes to the same spot fo
his
"big" poo
We play for and about every 20 minutes he says "Lamon
poop"
I take him to another poop area for his smaller poops and all is fine

All birds wipe beak

Do not worry about "natural instinct" and scaring birds ..
the more they
trust you and socialize with others the less they will worry about
"PREDATORS". The key is that they will trust you for tota
protection

Discipline the bird when needed with a newspaper .. it also works o
dogs
and kids. They are not stupid and know when it is their fault. The
get the
message quick enough that all you have to do is mentio
"newspaper" ... so
much for Dr. Spock
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I was told that scratching in the cage at a young age was norma
"acg" stuff
and will go away. It did after a few weeks. They usually find a corne
of
the cage and stick their beak there and scratch away with the feet

ACGs hate to poop in their cage. It is best to have a flat top cag
that has
a metal drawer on top that can be removed for cleaning and therefor
the
poop does not drop into cage. He can also use this as his outside pla
area.
My acg has a morning routine
He wakes me up with a short screec
I open cage and he climbs to top and always goes to the same spot fo
his
"big" poo
We play for and about every 20 minutes he says "Lamon
poop"
I take him to another poop area for his smaller poops and all is fine

All birds wipe beak

Do not worry about "natural instinct" and scaring birds ..
the more they
trust you and socialize with others the less they will worry about
"PREDATORS". The key is that they will trust you for tota
protection

Discipline the bird when needed with a newspaper .. it also works o
dogs
and kids. They are not stupid and know when it is their fault. The
get the
message quick enough that all you have to do is mentio
"newspaper" ... so
much for Dr. Spock
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I was told that scratching in the cage at a young age was norma
"acg" stuff
and will go away. It did after a few weeks. They usually find a corne
of
the cage and stick their beak there and scratch away with the feet

ACGs hate to poop in their cage. It is best to have a flat top cag
that has
a metal drawer on top that can be removed for cleaning and therefor
the
poop does not drop into cage. He can also use this as his outside pla
area.
My acg has a morning routine
He wakes me up with a short screec
I open cage and he climbs to top and always goes to the same spot fo
his
"big" poo
We play for and about every 20 minutes he says "Lamon
poop"
I take him to another poop area for his smaller poops and all is fine

All birds wipe beak

Do not worry about "natural instinct" and scaring birds ..
the more they
trust you and socialize with others the less they will worry about
"PREDATORS". The key is that they will trust you for tota
protection

Discipline the bird when needed with a newspaper .. it also works o
dogs
and kids. They are not stupid and know when it is their fault. The
get the
message quick enough that all you have to do is mentio
"newspaper" ... so
much for Dr. Spock
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I was told that scratching in the cage at a young age was normal "acg" stuff
and will go away. It did after a few weeks. They usually find a corner of
the cage and stick their beak there and scratch away with the feet.

ACGs hate to poop in their cage. It is best to have a flat top cage that has
a metal drawer on top that can be removed for cleaning and therefore the
poop does not drop into cage. He can also use this as his outside play area.
My acg has a morning routine.
He wakes me up with a short screech
I open cage and he climbs to top and always goes to the same spot for his
"big" poop
We play for and about every 20 minutes he says "Lamont poop".
I take him to another poop area for his smaller poops and all is fine.

All birds wipe beaks

Do not worry about "natural instinct" and scaring birds ... the more they
trust you and socialize with others the less they will worry about
"PREDATORS". The key is that they will trust you for total protection.

Discipline the bird when needed with a newspaper .. it also works on dogs
and kids. They are not stupid and know when it is their fault. They get the
message quick enough that all you have to do is mention "newspaper" ... so
much for Dr. Spock.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:46 am
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CAG - Congo African Grey
TAG - Timneh African Grey

It is a very worthwhile idea to read up on the subject of CAGs and TAGs
from the many published books, magazines and research articles that are
available. It really is as difficult to 'erase' thousands of years of
survival instincts from African Grey parrots as it is to erase the
human 'survival' instincts of fear of falling, and fear of loud noises.
As intelligent as we are, we still cannot get over those, either.

It is important to understand the behavior of a parrot while looking at
the world immediate around it and its 'captured' situation - from its
point of view - and what it perceives is happening to it or about to
happen.

I would suggest that any parrot would 'get over' his scratching in a
cage 'after a few weeks' because after a while the parrot was smart
enough and intelligent enough to realize that no matter how hard it
tried it was never going to escape that way. It just gave up on its
only perceived method of escape. But the parrot was trying to tell you
something. After all, from its point of view it was trapped, and it
wanted escape.

Sometimes as a creature 'gives up' on one behavior it will be
diminished in spirit; other times it will find another behavior to
replace that one, and it may not be a desireable one, either.

The African Grey parrots do use their feet to push away, and do use
their beaks to 'make-way' when in that type of situation. After all,
they don't have hands or arms to prod objects out of the way - so they
have to push ahead while moving objects out of the way with their
beaks, and while propelling themselves with their feet. They use what
nature gave them.

Is this making sense at all?

Since African Greys will sometimes live 50-70 years [and outlive their
'bonded' human flock member(s)], it is a very worthwhile and enviable
situation that they do not depend on just one person for their all
their 'protection' in every situation. They still need instincts to
survive. Those instincts can save these loved ones from being hurt.

I still do believe it is important to understand the nature of 'wild'
creatures, and their natural survival instincts - and behaviors. That
is one way that we can truly help to learn and understand how to
respond to them the best we can, and ensure their happiness and
well-being.

Natural instincts are important to these adorable companions - as they
should be to us, as well, and our undersanding the most we can about
them and their instincts toward survival.

While trust is admirable, so is compassion and understanding.

For example: While moving from one room to another, with your
companion parrot sitting on your arm or shoulder, a human companion
unavoidably kicks something with their foot and almost trips - either
righting themself, or falling against the wall or down to the floor.
The normal sudden noise from the floor below - caused by the 'kicked'
object - along with the sudden movements, would immediatel and
instictively 'disturb' the parrot and cause it to fly to a perceived
area of safety. An instinctive behavior! A learned, and programmed
behavior; a perceived danger from a 'predator' situation coming from
below.

Better than being crushed against a wall or into the floor by the human
companion.

I would not want any parrot to rely soley on its human companion for
trust and safety in that, or in any similar situation. Any creature we
care for must retain its own survival instincts and imprints. And we
are the ones who have to learn them, understand them and nurture them
as we learn to live with our companion parrots in the environment we
impose on them.

(- I don't even want to approach the subject of *threatening* a parrot
with a newspaper.-)

All I can hope for is that we all take the time to understand the
personalities and the 'body language' and behaviors that these
beautiful and intelligent parrots enliven our lives with so that we can
share their life with them.

- stupidhumanparrotslave


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Anonymous wrote:
> I was told that scratching in the cage at a young age was normal
> "acg" stuff
> and will go away. It did after a few weeks. They usually find a corner
> of
> the cage and stick their beak there and scratch away with the feet.
>
> ACGs hate to poop in their cage. It is best to have a flat top cage
> that has
> a metal drawer on top that can be removed for cleaning and therefore
> the
> poop does not drop into cage. He can also use this as his outside play
> area.
> My acg has a morning routine.
> He wakes me up with a short screech
> I open cage and he climbs to top and always goes to the same spot for
> his
> "big" poop
> We play for and about every 20 minutes he says "Lamont
> poop".
> I take him to another poop area for his smaller poops and all is fine.
>
> All birds wipe beaks
>
> Do not worry about "natural instinct" and scaring birds ...
> the more they
> trust you and socialize with others the less they will worry about
> "PREDATORS". The key is that they will trust you for total
> protection.
>
> Discipline the bird when needed with a newspaper .. it also works on
> dogs
> and kids. They are not stupid and know when it is their fault. They
> get the
> message quick enough that all you have to do is mention
> "newspaper" ... so
> much for Dr. Spock.
> Sent via http://Pets-99.com , http://AnimalForum.ws & http://AnimalBlog.org
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:29 am
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HMW(rr) wrote:
> I was told that scratching in the cage at a young age was normal "acg" stuff
> and will go away. It did after a few weeks. They usually find a corner of
> the cage and stick their beak there and scratch away with the feet.
>
> ACGs hate to poop in their cage. It is best to have a flat top cage that has
> a metal drawer on top that can be removed for cleaning and therefore the
> poop does not drop into cage. He can also use this as his outside play area.
> My acg has a morning routine.
> He wakes me up with a short screech
> I open cage and he climbs to top and always goes to the same spot for his
> "big" poop
> We play for and about every 20 minutes he says "Lamont poop".
> I take him to another poop area for his smaller poops and all is fine.
>
> All birds wipe beaks
>
> Do not worry about "natural instinct" and scaring birds ... the more they
> trust you and socialize with others the less they will worry about
> "PREDATORS". The key is that they will trust you for total protection.
>
> Discipline the bird when needed with a newspaper .. it also works on dogs
> and kids. They are not stupid and know when it is their fault. They get the
> message quick enough that all you have to do is mention "newspaper" ... so
> much for Dr. Spock.

I don't see how the word "discipline" applies to a parrot. If my GAG
does something "bad"
like chewing to hard on my ear when he thinks I am ignoring him I put
him back in his cage for about a minute. Parrots are not like dogs or
children. They do not seek our approval, just our companionship. I
think the idea of threatening him with a newspaper would be counter
productive.
If I wish to read a paper in his presence I have to give him his own to
"read" He does this with his beak by tearing it into more manegable
pieces.

Steve n Misty
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:37 am
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Actually MY CAG is an African American Grey having been born in the US. I
still cannot believe people believe that instincts from 20 generations ago
are still among our captive birds. So much for evolution!!

And lack of discipline is an excuse for all those people whose kids turned
sour and this is their last chance at excuses ... it is not their fault
..... there are a million excuses for not being a good parent.

I am not trying to go on a rant but don't children and dogs learn as they
get older? Aren't these birds supposed to be smart? Are we just trying to
keep them "wild" as an excuse of proper parenting? I am sorry but my Lamont
must be an exception to the rule. She is socialized, seems happy, wants to
learn, is not scared easily, etc. I think my Lamont is a Republican.
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HMW(rr) wrote:
> Actually MY CAG is an African American Grey having been born in the US. I
> still cannot believe people believe that instincts from 20 generations ago
> are still among our captive birds. So much for evolution!!
>
> And lack of discipline is an excuse for all those people whose kids turned
> sour and this is their last chance at excuses ... it is not their fault
> .... there are a million excuses for not being a good parent.
>
> I am not trying to go on a rant but don't children and dogs learn as they
> get older? Aren't these birds supposed to be smart? Are we just trying to
> keep them "wild" as an excuse of proper parenting? I am sorry but my Lamont
> must be an exception to the rule. She is socialized, seems happy, wants to
> learn, is not scared easily, etc. I think my Lamont is a Republican.

Instincts in animals remain though countless generations in human
captivity.
Looking at the behavior of any pet dog will prove this.
You obviously have no idea how evolution works.
Trying to discipline a parrot will more likely produce a frightened and
phobic bird.
They have no concept of right and wrong in our terms.They can be taught
to fit in with humans to a degree but hitting with a newspaper is
simply the wrong way to do it.
My CAG is smart, socialised and acceptably well behaved and I have
never threatened him with any kind of violence to achieve this. It is
simply a matter of guiding his natural behaviour.
If I thought for one moment that he had an interest in human politics I
would fear for his sanity.
If your bird is a Republican then he is not very smart. The Republicans
are the least ecofriendly
of all the major US political parties. If they are allowed to get their
way there would be no wild parrots at all. All their homelands would be
burned down to make way for mega farms or destroyed by global warming.

Steve n Misty
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 01:37:00 GMT, "HMW\(rr\)" <hymurstein.RemoveThis@sw.rr.com>
wrote:

>Actually MY CAG is an African American Grey having been born in the US. I
>still cannot believe people believe that instincts from 20 generations ago
>are still among our captive birds. So much for evolution!!

Your AAG is at the only a generation or two from living in the trees.
>
>And lack of discipline is an excuse for all those people whose kids turned
>sour and this is their last chance at excuses ... it is not their fault
>.... there are a million excuses for not being a good parent.
>
>I am not trying to go on a rant but don't children and dogs learn as they
>get older? Aren't these birds supposed to be smart? Are we just trying to
>keep them "wild" as an excuse of proper parenting? I am sorry but my Lamont
>must be an exception to the rule. She is socialized, seems happy, wants to
>learn, is not scared easily, etc. I think my Lamont is a Republican.
>
Hint: Birds aren't dogs. Do you post using JangChub too?
>
>
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HMW(rr) wrote:
> > You obviously have no idea how evolution works.
> > Trying to discipline a parrot will more likely produce a frightened and
> > phobic bird.
> > They have no concept of right and wrong in our terms.They can be taught
> > to fit in with humans to a degree but hitting with a newspaper is
> > simply the wrong way to do it.
>
> I have tried shoes ... sticks ... belts .. etc .. newspapers are kinder and
> leave less emotional and physical scars.

Do you have a preference for the newspaper? I hope its not a sunday
edition
as that could cause real damage.

> > My CAG is smart, socialised and acceptably well behaved and I have
> > never threatened him with any kind of violence to achieve this. It is
> > simply a matter of guiding his natural behaviour.
> > If I thought for one moment that he had an interest in human politics I
> > would fear for his sanity.
>
> If you thought the CAG had an interest in human politics ... what level of
> communication are you two on??

I should ask you that. You are the one with a Republican parrot.
Mine is more interested in existential philosophy especially with
regard to apples, nuts and hot water.

Steve n Misty
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HMW(rr) wrote:
> Steve and Misty ... with a cojoined name like that need I say more ... but
> in the name of human dignity please stop reading memorizing the latest
> Democratic talking papers before you speak and have a mind of your own ..
> get the facts ... case closed.
>
> > If your bird is a Republican then he is not very smart. The Republicans
> > are the least ecofriendly
> > of all the major US political parties. If they are allowed to get their
> > way there would be no wild parrots at all. All their homelands would be
> > burned down to make way for mega farms or destroyed by global warming.
> >
> > Steve n Misty
> >

I base my understanding on peer reviewed scientific fact not on
Republican Party talking points.
Truth, fact and Republican Party talking points have become an
oxymoron.

Misty n Steve
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Steve and Misty ... with a cojoined name like that need I say more ... but
in the name of human dignity please stop reading memorizing the latest
Democratic talking papers before you speak and have a mind of your own ..
get the facts ... case closed.

> If your bird is a Republican then he is not very smart. The Republicans
> are the least ecofriendly
> of all the major US political parties. If they are allowed to get their
> way there would be no wild parrots at all. All their homelands would be
> burned down to make way for mega farms or destroyed by global warming.
>
> Steve n Misty
>
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> You obviously have no idea how evolution works.
> Trying to discipline a parrot will more likely produce a frightened and
> phobic bird.
> They have no concept of right and wrong in our terms.They can be taught
> to fit in with humans to a degree but hitting with a newspaper is
> simply the wrong way to do it.

I have tried shoes ... sticks ... belts .. etc .. newspapers are kinder and
leave less emotional and physical scars.


> My CAG is smart, socialised and acceptably well behaved and I have
> never threatened him with any kind of violence to achieve this. It is
> simply a matter of guiding his natural behaviour.
> If I thought for one moment that he had an interest in human politics I
> would fear for his sanity.

If you thought the CAG had an interest in human politics ... what level of
communication are you two on??
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HMW(rr) wrote:

> what country are you from??
>

Well, where does Tim Berners-Lee come from?

See, I just knew you were stupid.

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