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myangel




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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:02 am
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I have a chihuahua puppy. I have had her a week. she is now 9 weks old and i am trying to pad train her. but she will not go. can you tell me what to do. she wants to pee on my carpet.

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myangel wrote:
> I have a chihuahua puppy. I have had her a week. she is now 9 weks old
> and i am trying to pad train her. but she will not go. can you tell me
> what to do. she wants to pee on my carpet.

What are you doing to teach her that you want her to use the pads?

Personally, I wouldn't use pads, but I don't know what your
situation is, and maybe they really are the best option. If I were
going to train my dog to use pads, I'd go about it *exactly* like I
would if I were teaching her to go outside. I'd watch her like a
hawk, so that she doesn't have an opportunity to have an accident.
I'd crate her when I couldn't watch her. I'd take her to the pad
area frequently (especially after meals, after she wakes up, and
after she's let out of her crate). I'd praise her when she potties
on the pad. I'd clean up any accidents with an enzyme cleaner.

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http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

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In article <470398_83d3c9f64d8e62910ff9fd924e496e6f.DeleteThis@petforumz.com>,
myangel <none.DeleteThis@000.com> wrote:

> I have a chihuahua puppy. I have had her a week. she is now 9 weks old
> and i am trying to pad train her. but she will not go. can you tell me
> what to do. she wants to pee on my carpet.

Why not crate train and take her outdoors? If you want to litter or pad
train her instead, the principal is the same - confine when you can't
watch her, leash her to you or gate/shut her in the same room with you
and watch her like a hawk, set a feeding and outing schedule that
fulfills her needs, take her to the appropriate spot and use a word or
phrase that asks her to "go" - the easiest way to start that is to use
it first thing in the morning/first thing out of the crate, when you
KNOW she needs to "go", praise her for going in the right place and
correct yourself for letting her out of your sight if she eliminates
elsewhere.

Patience, scheduling, supervision, appropriate confinement =
housetrained puppy.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:22 pm
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HOWEDY myangel,

"myangel" <none.TakeThisOut@000.com> wrote in message
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Just follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if
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> I have a chihuahua puppy. I have had her a week. she is
> now 9 weks old and i am trying to pad train her.

Here's two 9 week old puppys HOWEsbroken
since DAY WON at nine weeks of age or less:

From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?

It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

---------------------

Show Dog Bark Wrote:

Blue is doing fantastic. Thanks to his wonderful personality,
genetics and Jerry's help. I speak with Jerry a couple of times
a week about his progress and fine tuning his training. Blue
sits, heels, is totally toilet trained, comes, knows 'down', stay
and all kinds of things like 'lets go for a walk'.

He is pure joy and has made my heart glad and full of puppy love.
He loves walking in the forest trails and swimming in the cool and
refreshing lake. His 'daddy' takes him for his final walk every evening
at 7 P.M. Then it is off to bed. He sleeps till 7 A.M.

It is nice to be able to sleep all night without getting up for a pee
pee a few times with him. In the first few weeks I had to take him
out at night, but now he is able to sleep all night. He is like a
tranquilizer.

I keep asking Jerry if Blue is a genius, as he is so clever and
obedient.

Her tells me this is the nature of a dog that has not been abused.

Blue is super good looking and so smart. He learned to sit weeks ago.
When he needs to go outside to relieve himself, he lets me know by
going to the door and woofing. One thing that I have noticed using
Jerry's methods is that Blue is very calm.

Most dogs are hyper and chew furniture and have bad habits. Blue
only plays with his toys. He knows the difference between his toys
and furniture and does not nip.

I was surprised that he does not want to go on the furniture. He likes
to play on the floor and outside. We sit outside together and he sits
by where I am reading. He may chew a toy or just hang out in the
shade. The whole town loves him and people are impressed with his
manners.

Show Dog Bark

-----------------------------

> but she will not go.

HOWEsbreaking is NORMAL NATURAL INNATE
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE behavior from the age
of THREE WEEKS <{}: ~ ) >

> can you tell me what to do.

EXXXPERTS like you're askin here have PROBLEMS
FORCING CON-TROLL of their dog's bodily functions
on accHOWENTA EVERY THING THEY DO is
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE
Nature programmed dogs:

4. From: "BlueMoon" <martha.br....TakeThisOut@rogers.com>
Date: 24 Jun 2006 10:18:27 -0700

Subject: Training two at once

BlueMoon wrote:
Well, I'd take your advice and go thru the killfile as
you have recommended below, but Jerry's system Is
WORKING wonders with these two puppies in a
matter of days.

He may be abusive and short-tempered with some
people out there because, quite frankly, I think he
cares more about the dogs that the owner's feelings
and feels so strongly about it, it's aggravating to have
"experts" discount his methods.

My husband just got back from taking these 15 week
old pups for a walk, who now respond remarkably
well to the "Zena-Zoey-sit-good-girl!" phrase now
when only said once no matter where they are.

They also respond to the come here command. We
trained them (granted, out of order of the instructions)
with the pennies in the cans only two days ago to come
to us when called.

I've since backtracked to do the exercises in the proper order.

They are calm and well-behaved and impress the Hell
out of anyone who sees them. "You're kidding, they're
only 14 weeks old and they are THAT well behaved?"

Yessiree Bob, they are, and we've only had them
for 12 days and have been training them (correctly
for 3 days.

We still have more training exercises to do, but
why fix something if it's not broken???? These
dogs are happy, we don't have to yell at or scold
them, they are learning to be secure and to pay
attention to us for approval and not out of fear.

I can only assume some might be threatened by this
manual's methods because it goes against all human
logic on how to train a dog. It certainly didn't
make any sense to me, but I thought what the heck,
try it (even tho I still have to remind myself what
to do because my previous limited experiences with
dog training were SO DIFFERENT to the point that I
almost felt like I needed to take my brain out of
my head and put it back in backwards!!!.....).....

BUT THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!

How in the world could someone just "make
something up" and it WORK?>??>?

My husband was very doubtful about this method
when I told him I wanted to try this. His dad was
a vet, and certainly didn't use these methods with
the parade of dogs they had as kids. But now even
HE has to admit we're doing something right here,
as our stress and frustration levels have lowered
and EVERYONE is much happier around here,
especially the dogs!

I really don't think people are used to the notion that
you can train a dog and it NOT be stressful or difficult.

It's easy IF you do it just like the manual says. It might
be easier for some to NOT do it now and go with the
concept of control rather than respect and understanding,
because that's the way WE are used to thinking and
heaven forbid WE change OUR way of thinking and
admit we've done some counterproductive things in
the past, right?

The results I'm seeing here with these puppies speaks
volumes and discounts what anyone tells me otherwise.

This Wit's End manual is now in a binder
and we're sticking with it.

BlueMoon

------------------------

8. From: "starrk...@aol.com" <starrk....TakeThisOut@aol.com>
Date: 27 Jun 2006 19:37:25 -0700

Subject: Re: But it's working!!!

BlueMoon wrote:
> The results I'm seeing here with these puppies speaks volumes
> and discounts what anyone tells me otherwise. This Wit's End
> manual is now in a binder and we're sticking with it.
> BlueMoon

Hi BlueMoon,

Its great that your pups are doing so well. The Wits End
method IS THE BEST WAY TO GO:-)

i wish i had found Jerry when my dog was a puppy, would
have saved so much trouble (and money).

good luck,
Crystal


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "BlueMoon" <martha.br....TakeThisOut@rogers.com>
Date: 3 Oct 2006 10:51:17 -0700

Subject: Re: Anyone actually tried Jerry Howe's techniques?

I tried Jerry's techniques when we got 2 puppies, Lab/German
Shepard Mix, sisters, at 3 months old. I was really at a loss.

I'm not a dog trainer, and it had been years since I had a puppy to
train. My husband's Dad was a vet, so they had quite a few as he
was growing up. I downloaded the manual (it was free, what did
I have to lose?) and we were both surprised to see his methods
deliver results in just a few days.

Some methods took a bit longer, some showed immediate results,
but we've now got some of the best behaved and happiest dogs in
the neighbourhood.

It went against alot of pre-conceived ideas we had about how
to train a dog. It's been over 3 months now, and so far, so good.

I'm not saying other methods don't work, but I had no interest in
trying any of them after I saw the results from this. It worked for
us without having to bribe, scold, or get frustrated.

Praise and attention alone work wonders when done at the right moment.

If you just follow the manual, you'll find that he
really knows what he's talking about.

Bluemoon

SEE?

> she wants to pee on my carpet.

No, she wants the ATTENTION she gets from peein on the carpet:

A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!

The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.

Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about dashing into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.

Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."

Source:

"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Report
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."

--------------

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv....TakeThisOut@mindspring.com
To: <d....TakeThisOut@arcane-computing.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice

Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.

I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.

I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:

whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.

The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).

You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.

As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume
in Who's Who in Science and Technology I have been listed
in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big
books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in
Medicine etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date.

These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and
you can't get yourself into them.

--------------------

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated.

Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic
therapists."

Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of
programmed systems for learning; 2) reinforcement;
3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST
SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers."

"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966).

Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION of the
need for child THERAPY through changing the
clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).

A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."

B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment:
Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused,
actually has been proven not effective at long-
term behavioral change, and creatures will find
other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom
and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter
1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states:

If we no longer resort to torture in what we call
the civilized world, we nevertheless still make
extensive use of punitive techniques in both
domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for
good reasons. Nature if not God has created man
in such a way that he can be controlled punitively.

People quickly become skillful punishers (if not,
thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative
positive measures are not easily learned.

The need for punishment seems to have the support
of history, and alternative practices threaten the
cherished values of freedom and dignity.

Fear involved with punishment causes frustration:
with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy.
Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive
reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior
have proved very valuable.

----------------------------

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."

"Motivation Of The Resistance To Coercion "-- PAVLOV:

"Reflexes of purpose and freedom" in the comparative
physiology of higher nervous activity, Institute of
Higher Nervous Activity and Neurophysiology, Academy
of Sciences, Moscow:

The most complex unconditioned "reflexes of aim and
freedom," discovered by I.P. Pavlov, are compared
with the "competence drive" and the "motivation of the
resistance to coercion," respectively, described by
contemporary ethologists.

On the basis of the unconditioned "reflex of purpose,"
conditioned reflexes were developed in which positive
emotions arising in connection with the perfection of
a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at
a given moment, serve as the reinforcement.

The unconditioned "reflex of freedom" is regarded as a
phylogenetic precursor of the will, and its acute extinction
as the physiological mechanism of hypnosis. It was
demonstrated experimentally that the appearance of the
state of "animal hypnosis" (immobilization catatonia) in
rabbits is accompanied by the predominance of electrical
activity and heat production in the right hemisphere, i.e.,
by symptoms which are found in hypnosis in man.

Simonov PV</h4>
Publication Types:<ul><li>Review</li><li>Review,
tutorial</li></ul>PMID: 2215892, UI: 91015681</blockquote>
<doctype>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=2215892&am
p;form=6&db=m&Dopt=bNeurosciBehavPhysiol1990May-Jun;
20(3):230-5

"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov

In the followin SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH STUDY you may
substitute pronged spiked pinch or slip choke collars for shock
and add PUNISHMENT, SCOLDING, CRATING, and offering
and witholding rewards, attention, and affection:

Psychological Effects

At issue is the question, --Do electronic training
devices elicit psychological responses?

"This section cites several research studies in which the
psychological impact of the use of electronic training devices
was analyzed. It is difficult, at best, for anyone to determine
the full psychological effect of these devices or training methods
until we can agree on exactly what constitutes a stress signal in
a domestic dog. Not only do none of the researchers agree on
what it is, but it varies from dog to dog.

It is even more difficult for humans to determine the full effect
of shock on a dog (or any animal) due to the animal's hard-wired
need to hide pain in order to survive in the wild.

Training dogs with the help of the shock collar: Short and long
term behavioral effects. (Schilder, M. & van der Borga, J. (2004).
Applied Animal Behavior Science, 85, 319-334).

The goal of this study was to determine the behavioral changes in
dogs during training using electronic training collars. Thirty-two
dogs were divided into two groups, each receiving both general
obedience and protection training.

One group was trained with shock collars and the other group
without shock collars. The dogs trained with the shock collars
displayed signs of stress: lowering of body posture, high-pitched
yelps, barks and squeals, avoidance, redirected aggression, and
tongue flicking.

It was also noted by the authors that, even during play and relaxed
walking, the group of dogs trained with shock collars continued to
show signs of stress while in the company of their handler.

The authors concluded that shock-collar training is stressful;
receiving shocks is a painful experience to dogs; and the shock
group of dogs evidently learned that the presence of their owner
(or his commands) announced the reception of shocks, even
outside of the normal training context.

They suggest that the welfare of these shocked dogs is at
stake, at least in the presence of their owners.

This study has come under considerable fire because the experience
of the handlers and dogs is not clear, and the level of shock is not
stated. With that said, it does suggest that dogs are stressed by the
experience of being shocked during training.

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Why Do You Reward The Dog For Being Bad?
Was:
Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESESWith PRAISE,
Unconditional LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT
<{) ; - ) >

Always praise the dog to show him that you affectionally
support or love him. Praising the dog has nothing to do
with what he has just done, it has to do with your
relationship with him.

"Good dog" means "I love you, dog".

If the dog is anxious, then you make certain that he
knows that he is in a safe and trusting environment.
You praise and admire him.

Correction is the opposite signal, you are my enemy,
and this results, quite naturally, in the dog behaving
aggresively - why not, you've declared that you are his
enemy.

Why does paradoxical reward work?

The dog defecates on the floor. You come up and say
"Good Dog" you love and praise him.

THE DOG KNOWS YOU LOVE HIM.

The dog defecates on the floor because he is anxious.
No wild wolf, jackal, or coyote defecates in his den.
If he defecates in his den its because a bear is outside
trying to get in and eat him.

The dog knows that it is stupid to
defecate where he eats or sleeps.

Don't you?

If the dog feels safe he'll behave as if he
is safe, no pooping on the living room floor.

Almost all maladaptive behavior is due to fear, anxiety,
expectation of disaster. Correct the situation, and the
dog behaves fluently like a ..... Dog!

Punishment deranges behavior, it is never never never appropriate.

Love the dog.

Praise is never punishment, praise is like giving a
piece of steak. If you give a piece of steak to a dog
after he defecates on the floor he'll stop defecating
on the floor.

Fondly, Dr. Von

----------------

Disciple Paulie Sez:

"No One Understands How Wits End Training
Really Works; They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey
And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method
That Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation
Is Built On Trust And Understanding.

I've never forced my dogs to do anything,
I tell them they are good dogs and they
seem to follow me, onceI told them they
were bad dogs and they ran away from me,
now I only ever tell them they are good dogs
and they always are, always.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.

A Bit Of Respect Works Wonders,
The Same Rule Applies
To Every Aspect Of
The Relationship With Your Dog.

Obedience And Affection Are Not Related,
if They Were Everyone Would Have
Obedient Dogs.

I Have Found Giving Dogs "Payment" In Advance i.e.
"Sam sit goodboy" Makes The Dogs WANT TO RESPOND,
After All, All Dogs Want To Be "Good Dogs" And If
You Tell Them They Are Good Then They Feel An
Obligation To Obey Your Request.

Telling Sam He's A Good Dog AFTER He Sit's
Apart From Being Too Late Is Also A Gamble
Because If He Doesn't Sit Then There's No
Positive Interaction.

Paul

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"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive.
Those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end,
for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." -
- C.S. Lewis.

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon.

"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.

What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George

"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.

All Truth Passes Through Three Stages.
First, It Is Ridiculed.
Second, It Is Violently Opposed.
Third, It Is Accepted As Being Self-Evident
-Arthur Schopenhauer-

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

"If you've got them by the balls their
hearts and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.

INDEEDY.

AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!

In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
*M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C*
*G-R-A-N-D*
*M-A-S-T-E-R*
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >

HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >

Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard

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On Jul 7, 1:22 pm, myangel <n... RemoveThis @000.com> wrote:
> I have a chihuahua puppy. I have had her a week. she is now 9 weks old
> and i am trying to pad train her. but she will not go. can you tell me
> what to do. she wants to pee on my carpet.
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Dog training for obedience is a continuous process. Dog obedience
training for obedience is basically a program that requires active
involvement of both the owner and the dog.
do you wanna lean essential steps in general training?
http://www.dogobediencetrainingtip.com/Dog_House_Training.html
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HOWEDY vic33,

"vic33" <varagon33.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 1:22 pm, myangel <n....TakeThisOut@000.com> wrote:
> > I have a chihuahua puppy. I have had her a week. she is
> > now 9 weks old and i am trying to pad train her. but she
> > will not go. can you tell me what to do. she wants to pee
> > on my carpet.
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> Dog training for obedience is a continuous process.

You mean: "REINFORCEMENT NEVER ENDS,"
FRAUDRECK hassen, "sitmeanssit.com" SHOCK
radio and SHOCK COLLAR SALES.

> Dog obedience training for obedience

What else would WON train dog obedience FOR,
other than, of curse, OBEDIENCE, vic33?

> is basically a program that requires active
> involvement of both the owner and the dog.

Yeah. Dogs can learn nearly EVERY THING
NEARLY INSTANTLY if we simply DO EVERY
THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE you PREFER, vic33 <{}: ~ ) >

Professional trainer and author LeeCharlesKelley wrote:
From: "LeeCharlesKelley" <kelleymet....TakeThisOut@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:02:28 -0400

Subject: Re: Your Training Modality is Driving Your Dogs Crazy

Leah:
>>Is there something wrong with being curious?

Morrison:
> You're not curious, Leah. IMO, you're just wishy-washy.

Kelley: I don't have the same history that you seem to have with Leah,
but I hardly think being open to exploring new ideas qualifies as being
"wishy-washy". To me it shows intelligence. But then, from what I've
seen, you've demonstrated a singular kind of black-and-white mentality
and a highly ignorant closed-mindedness.

Morrison:
> You keep thinking that there's some "new" method out there
> that will VOILA!, magically transform you into a great trainer,
> and overnight, too.
>
> It just doesn't work that way.

Kelley: Actually, that's *exactly* how it worked with me. Within the
first day of using these techniques I went from becoming a run-of-the-
mill dog trainer to being pretty damn good, if I do say so myself, and
all simply by testing the techniques, just to see if they worked.

I've said from the beginning that if I can get the kind of amazing
results I do when I'm not really a dog trainer at heart, but a writer,
then someone who's really a dog trainer at heart would become a
far better trainer than I am instantly, just by using these methods.

Somewhere along the line, however, I discovered a dirty little secret
about the mentality of most dog trainers: they only *became* trainers
because they liked the feeling of power and control it gave them.

If that's the case with you, then you definitely wouldn't like natural
dog training because it ultimately teaches a dog how to control his
own behavior.

In fact in some ways, it forces you to turn your need for control over
to the dog because the method only works when you put your trust
in a dog's natural instincts instead of fighting against them all the
time.

That's because when you put yourself in alignment with a dog's instincts,
the dog will naturally obey you under any and all circumstances because
group harmony and cooperation, when properly nurtured, are the most
fundamental aspects of a dog's nature.

I came across the following quote recently, and though I have no idea
who Edward Hoagland is, I think what he says here speaks volumes:
"In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be
semi-human.

The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of
becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland

Leah:
>> This "praise the dog when he misbehaves" thing keeps
>> coming up, and nobody has been able to explain it to me.

Morrison:
>That's because no one can.

Actually, Jerry Howe explains it pretty well. And as for the incident I
related where I praised my dog when he found a juicy chicken breast
and my praise caused him to drop it, and subsequently got him to stop
scavenging altogether, merely by praising him everytime he found
something, the answer is pretty clear.

He didn't pick up that chicken breast because he was hungry, he did
it because he was looking for something to do that would satisfy an
inner emotional need, relating to his instincts. When I praised him,
suddenly and very enthusiastically, he dropped the chicken breast
because the praise provided him with more emotional satisfaction
than the chicken breast did at that particular moment.

You could look at this as being an example of pure operant
conditioning, if you like (though you'd be wrong), but it would
still mean that you would have to give up your beliefs about
what praise is and how and why it works, and you don't
strike me as someone who's capable of even *questioning*
your beliefs, let alone capable of giving them up.

Morrison:
> every single method out there is based on CC and/or OC.
> That's a fact.

Kelley: No, it's not a fact. The only reason it seems factual to you is
because the basic premise of behavioral science is tautological in nature
(and also because, IMO, you have a tiny mind). In my estimation it's
more likely that there are little green men on Mars than that what you
think is operant conditioning is what's really taking place when a dog
learns *anything*.

Dogs do not learn things by association or by repetition or by trial
and error, but through their emotions, pure and simple. Even
Pavlov said: "Positive emotions arising in connection with the
perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at
a given moment, serve as the reinforcement."

Of course, even Pavlov got it wrong on the most basic level, since
there really is no such thing as a reinforcement, but that's another
story for another day.

------------------------

> do you wanna lean essential steps in general training?

You mean, lockin the dog in a box and ignoring ITS cries
and offering and witholding bribes attention and affection.

The SECRET to EFFECTIVE behavior modification is
NON PHYSICAL PRAISE IN ADVANCE, follHOWED
by BRIEF, VARIABLY ALTERNATING, NON PHYSICAL
DISTRACTION, INSTANTLY follHOWED by PROLONGED,
NON PHYSICAL PRAISE:

From: "TooCool" <larrym....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:56:16 GMT

Subject: Thinking Dogs

Using a proper training method, a method consonant with a dog's
nature, it is possible to enhance a dog's ability to think. If their
thinking faculty is not exercised and developed then dogs have a
tendency to bounce around, like a billiard ball, from one stimulus
to another.

But when a dog's thinking faculty is exercised and developed then
they enjoy using that faculty more and more. They begin to feel pride
in their accomplishments-you can observe their delight in the way
that they love to show off what they have learned.

As their thinking faculty develops you will begin to see them
improvise more and more, i.e., applying what they have learned
to new situations.

Operant conditioning (clicker training) does not exercise a
dog's ability to think-it conditions a reflex like reaction at
the nervous system level.

If you desire to train a thinking dog, please read the Puppy
Wizard's Wits' End Training Method-it caters to the nature
of our thinking dogs.

--Larry

-------------------

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrymale @hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:14:10 GMT

Subject: Re: Dog Behavior Problems

Sound distraction, with praise, works for any
dog, regardless of breed, age, temperament or
past experience. It is not a trick or training
tip. It is a scientific principle that applies
to canines in general. If it did not work for
you, then you did not perform it correctly.
Remember, your sound distraction must be
accompanied immediately by praise lasting
from 5 to 15 seconds. During this 5 to 15
second period your dog will be thinking.

Observe them closely to see the telltale
signs that they are thinking.

The sound distraction must not originate from
the trainer twice in a row. The sound distraction
must alternately originate from the trainer and
then originate from the dog or beyond the dog.

That is why you need something that you can
toss that will not make any sound until it
lands. You begin praising as soon as it makes
its sound.

If the misbehavior continues after four
alternating attempts, then call your dog
to you and retry the sound distraction
with praise a little while later. This
prevents any battles with your dog.

Never use your sound distraction as an aversive
(to frighten or to intimidate) - that invalidates
the scientific principle upon which this method
is based. The praise is just as important as is
the sound distraction.

The scientific principle upon which the sound
distraction with praise method is based is the
same as that of Pavlov's conditioned reflex.

However, it has been proven that this sound
distraction system will condition a behavior
in dogs in less than half the number of attempts
as required by Pavlov's method.

Condition your dog to your praise by praising
them every time that they look at you.

If you desire a thinking dog, never use treats
for training because your dog's mind will focus
upon the food rather than upon his lesson.

Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End
Training Method to learn the entire theory
and application of these principles.

His system is based upon scientific principles
and it is logically consistent from start to finish.

Once you appreciate that it is in the nature
of a dog to oppose you then you will begin to
make rapid progress with your training. You
will then devise your training techniques so
as to avoid any opposition-physical or mental.

Do not let your dog detect any emotion that will
tell him that he is succeeding in opposing you.
In other words never let your dog feel that he
is opposing you, because if you do, he will
certainly frustrate you with continued opposition.

That is why it is so important to always praise
your dog. If you reveal to your dog that he is
not doing what you want him to do, then he will,
by his very nature, continue to oppose you.

If, however, you devise your training methods so
that your dog never knows that he is opposing you,
then you will make rapid progress.

For example, to teach a dog not to forge ahead
of you, simply reverse direction without notice
and praise-this is a training method that reveals
no opposition from you.

Another example: if your dog strains upon his
lead, praise him when his lead is slack. When
he hits the end of his lead, pull him back an
inch and then praise the slack lead.

Since it doesn't take long for a dog's natural
thigmotactic reflex to operate, don't pull back
for more than an instant and then immediately
praise his slack lead.

--Larry

-------------------

A Professor and a Veterinarian compliment Dr. Miller

Correspondence from two professionals
in field of canine studies...

Dear Dr. Miller:

Sometime ago you sent me a complimentary copy of
your book "The Secret of Canine Communication."
This book has been used extensively in the School
of Veterinary Medicine both by the faculty and the
student body. They have found this a very useful
text and have had much benefit from the opportunity
to review the fine work which you have done.

I do appreciate your kindness in sending me this
book. I will see that it is placed in our Veterinary
Medical Library for the full use of the faculty
and the student body of the school. I am sure that
many of the students will be interested in placing
order for copies of this book as they engage in the
practice of canine medicine.

Sincerely,
Wm. E. Jennings, Professor
Auburn University
School of Veterinary Medicine

-------o-------

Dear Dr. Miller:

The following review has been submitted to
New York City Veterinarian and should be
published in due course, at the discretion
of the Executive Editor:

**********

This is the unique training manual based upon
subliminal suggestion by means of a special
chain that is so constructed that when it is
shaken or thrown it takes advantage of certain
harmonic attributions of the dog, and training
takes place without leash restraint by means
of applying fundamental principles of conditioned
reflex psychology.

Apparent dramatic results have been obtained with
this approach to training, and it seems to render
more conventional approaches obsolete.

The reader who seeks a practical and thorough
lesson in applied canine psychology can learn
a great deal from the careful perusal of this
popularly written manual.

**********

So there you are. I trust it may be helpful to you.

Respectfully yours,
A. Barton, D.V.M.
Book Editor
New York City Veterinarian

------o-------

From Dr. Miller's website:

Dr. Larry Male (a.k.a. TooCool) ruminates on Dog
Behavior and Dog Training LONG PRYOR to studyin
the Wits' End Training Method:

Dr. Larry Male, Engineer, Scientist and Mathematician,
writes to Dr. Miller about his dog Duke, the importance
of DOG-MASTERŪ, and his opinion on other dog
"training" methods.

Dear Dr. Miller,

It was such a pleasure for me to talk with
you on the phone this morning.

I never did see your television appearances
although they were well within my era. I think
that I am perhaps 15 years your junior. I wish
I had seen them though.

It was a little ad in Dog Fancy, I think, that
I initially responded to back in 1992. I remember
that the wording seemed to be a bit like a snake
oil salesman, e.g., miraculous, magic learning
sound etc. But at that time, I was investigating
different dog training techniques and I could
easily afford a stamp to find out. But when I
received your literature, I immediately grasped
that this was important and scientific.

I already had my Golden when I received my DOG
MASTER kit and he was perhaps 2 years old at the
time. I had tried my best to train him, using the choke
chain dog training class once a week. Oh, I should
mention that I am currently a software engineer, but I
have a master's in zoology and a doctorate in
mathematics and biometrics.

Anyway, when I received your DOG MASTER System
book I was capable of understanding the magnitude of
your accomplishment.

I had such a great and immediate success that I dropped
out of the dog training class. For 9 more years my Duke
continued to learn more and more and more. He loved to
learn and to show off what he had learned. People were
so amazed at his behavior that they could not believe it.

He responded to complex commands, within
sentences spoken in a normal tone of voice.
To those watching, he must have seemed almost
human. His eyes were always upon me.

I remember that he would lie on the floor watching
me for hours. I could give him subtle hand signals
with my finger to make him sit up, lie down, stand,
stay etc. As he learned, I begin to make the hand
signals less and less obvious. And he learned to
respond to whisper commands. Oh, it was so much
fun and rewarding.

It has been two years now since Duke passed on
and now I have decided to get a Pembroke Welch
Corgi. I have been rereading the DOG MASTER
System book. My poor little book is falling apart
now. But as I reread I begin to realize how much
more effective I could have been if I had followed
your directions more closely.

How much better it will be for me now, to study
and to practice before I get my puppy. When you
already have your dog, you are so anxious to try
the DOG MASTER, that you don't take the time to
grasp the importance of each element of your system.

As I now reread your book, I think to myself,
"How was he able to develop this complex system?"
But each of your directions is supported by an
analysis of dog behavior. These explanations are
so important to me. A human mind requires those
explanations in order to apply the DOG MASTER
System intelligently.

I have purchased a number of top books on clicker
training (operant conditioning). This is the current
rage in dog training. But these authors freely admit
in their books that they no answers for dog behavior
problems.

They don't know how to prevent them or cure them.
They don't seem to know how to housetrain a dog.
Everyday I see dogs walking their owners (dragging
them forward and backwards through the park). The
owners plead and yell and tackle and treat and give
up in frustration.

Their only consolation is that everyone else's
dog behaves the same. I feel so sorry for everyone.

I know that there exists a training system that will
produce a dream dog, but it isn't advertised or
available. The DOG MASTER System is so vastly
superior to any other alternative that I experience
a feeling of great loss that it isn't readily available.

You know, instead of attending dog training classes
before or at least when they get their puppy.

Teach them about dog behavior and show them how
to use DOG MASTER; stress how important it is
to use it precisely according to the directions.

Tell them that they might as well throw it in
the trash if they don't intend to use it properly.
I think that it would be so much easier to grasp
in a good video production. Then you could watch
it over and over. Hey, don't we all need that
timing, rhythm and repetition to learn?

(... and so on....)

Sincerely,
Larry M. Male

----------o-------------

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrymale @hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004

Subject: Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard/777witsendmanual.htm

I have studied canine behavior and dog
training for years. I have a huge library
that covers every system of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits'
End Training Method is by far the most
scientific, the most advanced, the kindest,
the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips
and tricks; it is a logically consistent
system. Every behavior problem and every
obedience skill is treated in the same
logically consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please
endeavor to understand the basis of his
system and please follow his directions
exactly. His manual is a masterpiece. It
is dense with theory, with explanation,
with detailed descriptions about why
behavior problems occur and how their
solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among
his methods based upon what you personally
like or dislike. His is not a bag of tricks
but a complete and integrated system for
not only training a dog but for raising a
loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system
creates for you the dog of your dreams,
his response was that it produces for your
dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if
you are gentle with your dog then he
will be gentle with you, if you praise
your dog every time he looks at you,
then you will become the center of your
dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to
train your dog to not misbehave (even in
your absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning
to train my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly
and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
distraction / praise / alteration /
variation) it takes just minutes to train
you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my
6 week old puppy running as fast has his
wobbly little legs would carry him in
response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter
where we are or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never
strains upon his leash thanks to Jerry's
hot & cold exercises and his Family Pack
Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold
your dog, if you scream at him, if you
intimidate him, if you hurt him, if you
force him then his natural response is
to oppose you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether
he is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge
a person's ideas based upon their personality.
As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his
heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply
when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating,
scolding or hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is
not effective and that it will certainly
lead to behavior problems; sometime
problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans
to want to control their dog by force.
Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
scientific literature it is referred to
allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in
like kind to force; they respond in like
kind to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him
what he wants most-your kind attention. Give
him your praise.

You will be astonished at how your dog 's
anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior
problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits'
End Training Method as a scientific principle
just as you would the law of gravity and you
will have astounding success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get
a sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will
surely get a little gremlin (anyone see The
Gremlins?).

--Larry

-----------------

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrymale @hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004
Subject: Dog Behavior Problems

What causes dog behavior problems? Well, first
of all, a dog doesn't know that his behavior is
a problem until you tell him so. But if you
address his behavior negatively then your dog
will tend to repeat it-that is just the nature
of dogs.

Unfortunately for us humans, our natural tendency
is to rebel with emotional outburst, intimidation
or force when our dog's behavior annoys us. But
we must bite our tongue and praise our dog instead.

You do not believe that your dog is out to get
your goat? Just begin to carefully analyze his
behavior. Take for instance the case of the
Mozart hating dog.

Whoever heard of such a thing? How could such a
bizarre behavior begin and become established? Who
knows for sure, but it could easily happen like this. You
are relaxing listening to your favorite Mozart piece and
your dog begins to play rowdily-he is trying to attract
your attention-but his commotion annoys you.

You get upset and yell at him to shut-up.

Dogs are very sensitive to your emotions-positive
emotions calm them-negative emotions upset them.
But your negative attention has just given your
dog a lesson on how to get your attention.

How many times do think that it will take to make
this behavior automatic? Once, maybe twice is sufficient.

Does your dog act up when you are on the phone?
Why? Does he rush doors? Why? Does he jump up on
you or others? Why? Does he strain upon his leash?

Why?

What can you do to prevent such behaviors
and what can you do to cure them once they
have begun.

The classical conditioning and operant conditioning
schools of thought will advise you to condition your
dog to respond with some other, more acceptable,
behavior to the stimulus which instigates the
misbehavior.

Elaborate schemes are often devised. For instance
condition your dog to run to his crate to get a
treat when guests arrive to prevent him from
jumping upon your guests.

But this school of thought has nothing to
say about preventing such behavior problems
in the first place. And what if you don't
have any treats left? Or what if you are at
your neighbor's house with him?

And what if you wished that your dog would
just sit quietly when guests arrived instead
of each time having to bribe him to come to
his crate?

The force training school of thought will advise
you to scold, intimidate or by some means punish
your dog for what you deem to be misbehavior.

You do not believe that this approach may cause
your dog to dislike or possibly hate you? You do
not believe that your dog will find other, perhaps
more obnoxious, behaviors in order to get even with
you?

This school of thought also has nothing to recommend
upon how to prevent these behavior problems in the
first place.

I recommend that you learn the value of praise
and kind emotions toward your dog. Throw away
your treats and your hickory sticks and raise
a dog who is calm and loving and who never gets
into any trouble.

Learn how to use sound distraction combined with
praise to quickly condition your dog to avoid
behaviors that you dislike; by quickly, I mean
in just a few minutes. Learn to teach your dog
commands in minutes using sound, praise,
alternation and variation while taking advantage
of a dog's natural allelomimetic behavior).

Please study The Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method.

--Larry

-----------

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrymale.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:17:01 GMT

Subject: Re: Dog Behavior Problems

"Lynn K." <java....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37cd72a9.0407210206.61b65e3f@posting.google.com..

> "TooCool" <larrym....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<news:pmVKc.2487$jJ1.1185@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>...

> > What causes dog behavior problems? Well, first of all, a dog doesn't
> > know that his behavior is a problem until you tell him so. But if you
> > address his behavior negatively then your dog will tend to repeat
> > it-that is just the nature of dogs.

> Huh???? Something's very, very wrong with the relationship if a
> dog tends to repeat behaviors he understands are undesired. That
> is not "just the nature of dogs". It's the result of inept human actions.
> Lynn K.

Dogs do not understand the concept of right
and wrong. But it is their nature to oppose
you. If you pull upon them then they will
pull back, if you push upon them then they
will push back, if they chew upon your shoe
and you scold them then they will naturally
chew your shoe again.

Shoo your dog out of your kitchen and he will
immediately come back in. Try to keep him from
charging the door by pushing him away with your
foot and he will charge ever so much more
deliberately and he will become an expert at
avoiding your foot.

Once your dog figures out your intention, he
will figure out a way to oppose it. Your job
is to never oppose your dog-then he will never
oppose you.

For instance, never put tension upon his lead
and he will never strain upon his lead. Praise
him even if you do not approve of his behavior.

Use sound distraction with praise to eliminate
undesirable behaviors as described in the Puppy
Wizard's Wits' End Training Method.

It takes no more than four repetitions to
extinguish an undesirable behavior. This
can take as little as a few seconds. The
undesirable behavior will be extinguished
for good and your dog will have received
nothing but praise.

Since you have given him nothing to oppose,
his natural tendency to oppose will never be
stimulated.

It is so easy. It works like magic.

When you come to understand the principles of
canine behavior, training becomes incredibly
easy. If you oppose those principles of canine
behavior, then you may well battle with your
dog for the rest of his life.

-- Larry

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> http://www.dogobediencetrainingtip.com/Dog_House_Training.html

That's a SPAM link to "daniel steven's" website "sitstayfetch".

Permit me to tell you something about "sitstayfetch.com"
and advertisements from "dog trainers" daniel stevens /
dove creswell / chet womack / and martin deeley. Whatever
name they sponsor is the front man for the scam. He SELLS
a highly INEFFECTIVE method of bribing and locking dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries, but it's GUARANTEED to
work. When his method FAILS, the MAFIA sells you the
next incrementally brutal idiotic ineffective training method.

They're a SCAM. They're part of the adam katz / cesar
millan *(z dog wheeesperer) MAFIA webSTING.

deeley is a shock collar fancier and "president" of IACP (international
association of canine professionals http://www.dogpro.org/) and dog
abusin coward, like cesar millan. cesar is a dog abusin FOOL. deeley
is a FRAUD like these CON ARTISTS: vladae roytapel, wendy
volhard, brother christopher of "the monks of new skete and dr ian
dunbar, ALL IACP Members.

They start off with "gentle" bribe and avoidance methods and GUARANTEE their
books and videos, KNOWING FULL
WELL that MOST dogs will FAIL using those methods and
will advance to the NEXT level of ABUSE, after having
TRIED their "NON VIOLENT" bribery / avoidance methods,
finally culminating with a SHOCK COLLAR SALE of $400.00
and PRIVATE INSTRUCTION to use it "pupperly" <{}: - ( >

They're lyin dog abusin cowards who'll do an say ANY
THING to SELL you books and videos to teach you
HOWE to HURT and INTIMIDATE you dog an SELL
you a $400.00 SHOCK COLLAR along with their
PROFESSIONAL SHOCK COLLAR TRAINING LESSONS.

When the final phase of "GUARANTEED gentle training methods"
FAIL, the adam katz / cesar millan MAFIA advises you that "you've
ALREADY TRIED all of the "positive reinforcement" methods" and recommend
that you buy their SHOCK COLLAR *AND* HIRE a
"PROFESSIONAL"MAFIA webSTING "trainer" <{}: ~ ( >

--------------------------

"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive.
Those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end,
for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." -
- C.S. Lewis.

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon.

"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.

What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

"If you've got them by the balls
their hearts and minds
will follow,"
John Wayne.

ANY QUESTIONS, People?

"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.

"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.

INDEEDY.

AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!

In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours,
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
*M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C*
*G-R-A-N-D*
*M-A-S-T-E-R*
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >

HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >

Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard

E-mail:

Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
@HotMail.Com

Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
@HotMail.Com

TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard @HotMail.Com

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myangel wrote:
I have a chihuahua puppy. I have had her a week. she is now 9 weks old and i am trying to pad train her. but she will not go. can you tell me what to do. she wants to pee on my carpet.

Yesterday a friend of mine sent an SOS for help - her 2mth old puppy Micey just would not pooh in the toilet! No matter how high the urgency to defecate was, the moment they picked Micey and placed her in the toilet - everything stops abruptly. Micey no longer sniffs around, anus no more bulging out. They kept Micey in the toilet for 2-3 hours, and for the few good hours, Micey had been barking her lungs out.

I gave her the 3 keys to success: Flexible, Patience, Persistence.
1. Flexible.
Each puppy comes with different characteristics, different likes and dislikes, different tastes for toilet. And we have to just respect that. Learn where they like to do their poohs and pees. Place lots of newspapers there, gradually reducing the area and moving the newspapers to the toilet. Tat's one example.

2. Patience
Thing are always easier said than done. Yup, if you've got the technique right, you have to learn to be patient. Like human, puppies are not perfect. Expect some accidents around the house. Tolerate some barkings and whinings. Do not stick to the spanking method, they dun always work. Rewarding them when they pooh an pee at the right places almost always enhance the puppies' learning - to do things the way you wanted them to.

3. Persistence
Practice makes perfect. Keep encouraging your puppy to do the same thing (eg. placing them in the toilet everytime their "business" is imminent), rewarding them when they do it right. No matter how many times they fail you, if you never give up, you'll soon be a proud owner of a toilet-trained puppy.
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