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bcj6402

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:38 am
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I have a 4 year old mixed breed dog. She sleeps on the floor in the room
with us. For the last couple of months, she has been pooping on the floor
overnight while we sleep. Its not every night, but pretty close, I'd say
4 to 5 nights per week sometimes. We have tried keeping her in her crate
sometimes, and sometimes she will even go in there while we are not home
during the day.

The poop is often not diarrhea, but is still much softer than normal poop
would be...its definitely not solid. And sometimes appears to have a
clear, mucus like substance mixed in with it.

I don't understand why, if she had to poop, she would not whine or cry or
try to wake us up (which is what she used to do).

Is it possible that there is a medical reason for this, or is this a
behavior thing?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:18 am
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bcj6402 wrote:
> I have a 4 year old mixed breed dog. She sleeps on the floor in the room
> with us. For the last couple of months, she has been pooping on the floor
> overnight while we sleep. Its not every night, but pretty close, I'd say
> 4 to 5 nights per week sometimes. We have tried keeping her in her crate
> sometimes, and sometimes she will even go in there while we are not home
> during the day.
>
> The poop is often not diarrhea, but is still much softer than normal poop
> would be...its definitely not solid. And sometimes appears to have a
> clear, mucus like substance mixed in with it.
>
> I don't understand why, if she had to poop, she would not whine or cry or
> try to wake us up (which is what she used to do).
>
> Is it possible that there is a medical reason for this, or is this a
> behavior thing?
>
As Alison suggested, see your vet. Get a stool sample before you go -
I'm sure the vet will ask for one. The mucus isn't normally seen in
healthy poop.

It could also be a food sensitivity. One of my chihuahuas has sensitive
bowels. He does very well on plain kibble, or kibble mixed with a
teaspoon of dog food, but we take a chance of triggering an attack of
loose bowels or diarrhea if we augment his diet with treats, esp. human
food. (Once we figured out the connection, we don't do that anymore.) A

FurPaw

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:00 am
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bcj6402 wrote:
> I have a 4 year old mixed breed dog. She sleeps on the floor in the room
> with us. For the last couple of months, she has been pooping on the floor
> overnight while we sleep. Its not every night, but pretty close, I'd say
> 4 to 5 nights per week sometimes. We have tried keeping her in her crate
> sometimes, and sometimes she will even go in there while we are not home
> during the day.
>
> The poop is often not diarrhea, but is still much softer than normal poop
> would be...its definitely not solid. And sometimes appears to have a
> clear, mucus like substance mixed in with it.
>
> I don't understand why, if she had to poop, she would not whine or cry or
> try to wake us up (which is what she used to do).
>
> Is it possible that there is a medical reason for this, or is this a
> behavior thing?
>

Alison pointed out that it could be a medical condition. It could also
be incontinence setting in. Elderly dogs are as prone to incontinence
as elderly people and it doesn't always have to mean urinary
incontinence. The feeling that they have to go can be subdued until its
literally time to go NOW and/or they just no longer have the muscle
strength to hold their bowel for long periods of time. I don't know if
this is worth anything but two rescue dogs who had bowel incontinence,
due to spine & pelvic issues, both had soft stools for "accidents." One
would leave little turds behind whenever he slept, not even realizing he
was having a movement while he was relaxed.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:36 pm
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"bcj6402" <bcj6402.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I have a 4 year old mixed breed dog. She sleeps on the floor in the
room
> with us. For the last couple of months, she has been pooping on the
floor
> overnight while we sleep. Its not every night, but pretty close,
I'd say
> 4 to 5 nights per week sometimes. We have tried keeping her in her
crate
> sometimes, and sometimes she will even go in there while we are not
home
> during the day.
>
> The poop is often not diarrhea, but is still much softer than normal
poop
> would be...its definitely not solid. And sometimes appears to have
a
> clear, mucus like substance mixed in with it.
>
> I don't understand why, if she had to poop, she would not whine or
cry or
> try to wake us up (which is what she used to do).
>
> Is it possible that there is a medical reason for this, or is this a
> behavior thing?

It sounds like your dog could have colitis or IBS. My dog suffers
from colitis due to food allergy and is on a special diet but it can
be caused by internal parasites. It would be best to see a vet.
It is painful and he might not have enough time to warn you so it is
not his fault.:(
Alison
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:19 pm
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White Monkey wrote:

> "Tee" wrote
>
>>>I have a 4 year old mixed breed dog. She sleeps on the floor in the
>
> room
>
>>>with us. For the last couple of months, she has been pooping on the
>
> floor
>
>>>overnight while we sleep.
>
>
>
>>It could also
>>be incontinence setting in. Elderly dogs are as prone to incontinence
>>as elderly people and it doesn't always have to mean urinary
>>incontinence.
>
>
>
>
> This seems unlikely to me in a four-year old.
> I'd get the dog to the vet for a check-up.
> --Katrina
>

You're right, I somehow missed the 4yo and thought the dog was elderly.
I have absolutely no idea where I got that from though.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:23 pm
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Your dogs have intestinal upset
cause you abuse them.

You're a IDIOT and a dog abuser
and a mental case, alison.

"Alison" <alison.TakeThisOut@XYZallofus2.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "bcj6402" <bcj6402.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
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> > I have a 4 year old mixed breed dog. She sleeps on the floor
in the
> room
> > with us. For the last couple of months, she has been pooping
on the
> floor
> > overnight while we sleep. Its not every night, but pretty
close,
> I'd say
> > 4 to 5 nights per week sometimes. We have tried keeping her
in her
> crate
> > sometimes, and sometimes she will even go in there while we
are not
> home
> > during the day.
> >
> > The poop is often not diarrhea, but is still much softer than
normal
> poop
> > would be...its definitely not solid. And sometimes appears to
have
> a
> > clear, mucus like substance mixed in with it.
> >
> > I don't understand why, if she had to poop, she would not
whine or
> cry or
> > try to wake us up (which is what she used to do).
> >
> > Is it possible that there is a medical reason for this, or is
this a
> > behavior thing?
>
> It sounds like your dog could have colitis or IBS. My dog
suffers
> from colitis due to food allergy and is on a special diet but it
can
> be caused by internal parasites. It would be best to see a vet.
> It is painful and he might not have enough time to warn you so
it is
> not his fault.:(
> Alison
>
>
>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2004 3:08 pm
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HOWEDY bcj6402,

"bcj6402" <> wrote in message
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>
> I have a 4 year old mixed breed dog.

A dog is a dog.

> She sleeps on the floor in the room with us.

As it should be.

> For the last couple of months, she has been
> pooping on the floor overnight while we sleep.

HOWEsbreaking is INSTINCTIVE.

> Its not every night, but pretty close,

If a dog is having HOWEsbreakin problems
it's EITHER cause he's SICK or ANXIHOWES.

That's EZ to determine, cause HOWEsbreaking
problems are usually rehabilitated in WON DAY
if you follow the INSTRUCTIONS in your FREE
copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
and ask The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you need
any additional FREE heelp.

If the remedial training FAILS to work in WON
or two days, that's on accHOWENT of the dog
is SICK and at THAT time it would be WIZE to
have him EXXXAMINED by the vet.

> I'd say 4 to 5 nights per week sometimes.

Could be he's sick, but probably not.

> We have tried keeping her in her crate sometimes,

Oh, crating CAUSES anxiHOWESness which
could be causing the HOWEsbreaking problem.

> and sometimes she will even go in there while
> we are not home during the day.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard highly recommends
that you not follow the advice of the active long
term incurable MENTAL CASES you're asking
for advice, here abHOWETS cause they got the
same same same same problems.

> The poop is often not diarrhea, but is still much
> softer than normal poop would be...its definitely
> not solid.

That would likely be a result of anxiHOWESNESS.

> And sometimes appears to have a
> clear, mucus like substance mixed
> in with it.

The lying dog abusing punk thug cowards
you're asking have THE SAME SAME SAME
SAME PROBLEM with their own dogs.

> I don't understand why,

Irritable bHOWEL syndrome is most often
CAUSED by STRESS. You'll notice that two
HOWETA three (furpaw and alison) of the
lying dog abusing punk thug cowards who've
replied to your post GOT THE SAME PROBLEM,
the remaing MENTAL CASE tara o. aka tee,
CANNOT HOWEsbreak her own Doxie and
thinks your four year old dog is INCONTINENT
from old age.

> if she had to poop, she would not whine or cry or
> try to wake us up (which is what she used to do).

She'd DO THAT if she was doin it on puporse,
cause EVEN IF she was SICK, she'd STILL be
able to ASK to go HOWET, at least WON time
pryor to messin your HOWES.

> Is it possible that there is a medical reason for this,

Certainly IS possible but HUGELY improbable,
given that your dog is sleepin in your own room
and PARTICULARLY that you are AGGREVATING
her by "occasional" crating.

> or is this a behavior thing?

We'll know THAT soon as you study your
FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual and do ALL the prerequisite preliminary
EXXXERCISES.

Or maybe INSTANTLY. Mabye we'll figger
THAT HOWET right NHOWE right here,
by askin WON simple question:

HOWE have you been CORRECTING her
for makin her HOWEsbreaking mistakes?

If you've been scolding admonishing punishing
crating or otherWIZE negatively interacting with
her or withholding food / water over this then
WE KNOW HOWE COME your dog is having
intestinal / digestive disorders like alison and
furpaw's dogs.

IN FACT, that's HOWE COME tara o. aka tee
cannot HOWEsbreak her "HEALTHY" Doxie.
She therefore BLAMES THE BREED for her
inability to HOWEtwit the cunning of the
domestic puppy dog.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ, "DECENT
PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE." Perhaps
you're an EXXXCEPTION cause you maybe
didn't read HOWER forum pryor to postin?

And we'll KNOW THAT NEARLY INSTANTLY
to boot, cause dog abusing punk thug coward
mental cases DO NOT REPLY to The Amazing
Puppy Wizard when HE figgers HOWET their
dog's behavior problems cause it's HUMILIATING
and EMBARRASSING to them.

WELCOME to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
School of HARD KNOCKS.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >


From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a
blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

===================

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com):

I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.

I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.

I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.

My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.

For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!

I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.

Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.

For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.

We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.

So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.

It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot of blame that we
have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused these
problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.

AIMEE

=================


"Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks,
so is he." Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073

"We are what we do."

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

>Paul B wrote:
>> While the concept of shake cans is not new,
>> I haven't read any other advice that says to
>> praise immediately regardless of what the dog
>> does next (the common advice is to praise once
>> the dog is doing a desired behaviour or at least
>> stopped the unwanted behaviour), this is unique
>> to Jerry (and Marilyn) and from my own experiences
>> is an important part of the process.

And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

--Marshall

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"Marshall Dermer" <dermer RemoveThis @alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
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>
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.

> Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising
> a dog for barking, but he appears to recognize
> that this may not work and so distraction
> is recommended as a back up procedure:

"Estel J. Hines" <ejhines RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>>> Until i read the Jerry method of Bark reduction,
>>> it went something like this with our 11 month old
>>> puppy "Yoshi"
>
>>> Yoshi: Bark, bark,
>
>>> us: HUSH Youshi
>
>>> Yoshi Bark, bark......................
>
>>> us: Hush Youshi
>
>>> Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, .................................
>
>>> it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking
>
>>> We decided to try the Jerry method
>
>>> :Yoshi: BARK, BARK
>
>>> US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?
>
>>> Yoshi Bark, Bark
>
>>> US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them
>
>>> Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that
>
>>> I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
>>> can praise him, to deal with things like this
>
>>> Thanks Jerry
>
>>> ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
>>> Papers, and learn how to live with our son
>>> "Yoshi", whom we love very much. --
>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Estel J. Hines

==============

> There really is NOTHING new about the advice above!

Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE.


"Leprechaun" <Leprechaun RemoveThis @attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> >Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
>
> Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
> I took a rescued three year old beagle that
> had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
> even recognize or respond to its name to
> Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
> get real) and in just over one hour of working
> with the dog, he was coming on command
> (not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
> walking with us on a loose lead.
>
> His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
> command and pack exercise WORK!
>
> > and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
>
> Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
>
> You don't have to like him. You don't have
> to agree with his methods, but as far as I
> am concerned, I've never seen any other
> training approach that was as fast and easy.
>
> <<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>
>
> Ron Flanagan
> Orlando, Florida

-----------------------

Hi, Jerry.

I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).

For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').

Best, ben

===================


Original Message -----
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

Sunshine is still acting like a new dog!

Saw a dog today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
came the first time every time. Not even a sound out of him.

Think it is hard for him but he never even seemed to think
about going off-reacting.

The word come has no affect on him just the phrase-
-Sunshine come goodboy.


----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2 RemoveThis @bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Damned Family Leadership Exercise -
Re: Am I expecting to much

Hi Jerry,

When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine
for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older
Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had
him for 3 years.

It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book
training with him. Where I used to say "come" and
then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed
it with a "good boy" first.

It really does work.

He was very confused at first, wondering what he
had done to get the praise.

But it really gets the attention and distracts him from
whatever he may have going through his brain when
he hears it.

Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can't wait to get
the Doggy do Right, etc.

Thanks,

N

=========

"Greg M. Silverman" <gmsNOSPAM RemoveThis @no.umn.edu> wrote in message

Hey, Mr. Wizard, or Alchemist or whatever your alias
of the day is, have to say that our dog heels much
better than she did. This is after reading and
implementing the bit in your "Wits End" treatise.

And she's a royal nutter (but then again, aren't they all?).
Cheers! Greg--

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Subject: Re: Lab/Rot 11 Months (TEMPER PROBLEMS)
Date: 2004-05-21 19:22:05 PST

> "Zack Pellers" <ZackPellers RemoveThis @GUESSWHERE.cc>
> wrote in message
> dlinge1 RemoveThis @towson.edu (Derek) wrote in news:
> 697700b8.0405202039.5c7374b9 RemoveThis @posting.google.com:
>
> Your dog needs to be retrained. Contact Mr. Jerry Howe.
>
> Http://www.DoggyDoRight.com
>
> You can start by downloading the free training
> manual available on the site above. I used it on
> my 4 year old Fila Brasileiro.
>
> When I first brought him home from rescue, he
> was similar to the way you decribed your dog.
> After using Mr. Howe's training method, the dog
> was cured within 72 hours.
>
> -Jack

"Ned" <komodo71 RemoveThis @rogers.com> wrote in message
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> Hi !
> Our black lab girl is 3 months old (she will be 4 months
> on the 30th).
>
> When we first brought her home she had a bad habit
> of trying to nip our faces (including my 3 year old twins)
> during playtime. It drove everyone in the house nuts
> and it brought my little girls to tears as you can imagine.
>
> We tried saying no, and that would just get her even
> more excited, so we would yell no and that would just
> get her "scared" but still excited. In short it just wasn't
> working.
>
> So we finally did what Jerry has suggested to you.
> We used a sound do distract her and we would
> immediately praise her.
>
> I have to say that it worked great. BUT she then
> moved on to nipping at the feet LOL silly little thing.
>
> So again, we tried no, and then louder no, but again
> it didn't work so we went for the distraction and praise.
> I must say that she is doing great!
>
> I hope that helps.
> Edyta aka Ned

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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM

Hello.

I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence
------------------------------------

----- Original Message -----
From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!

Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
your manual and have started working with
the dogs...

"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
"The Destroyer") has already shown
great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)

She responds even better than our other
(better-behaved) dog "Poe".

We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
not a thing was touched when we got back!

We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
that interested in toys and was still very uptight
about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
seemed to work.

We both work all day today so we'll see
how that goes... Regardless, we will be
cool as cukes when we get home! ;)

I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
to get through to her! We're very excited about
her progress thus far...

Thank You!

Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!

__________________________________

> Sound distraction may be understood in
> terms of the more general behavior analytic
> approach as follows.
>
> The distracting stimulus

Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?

>evokes a behavior that is incompatible with barking.

You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face
for 5 seconds?

> The dog engages in some other behavior

NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.

> and then is reinforced (if praise functions as a
> reinforcer).

NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.

> --Marshal

ANAL-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and
a coward and a MENTAL CASE.

Here's HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students to train their critters NEARLY
INSTANTLY.

New Law Of Physics

HOWEDY People,

"The amount of misery and difficulty a dog abuser
has from their dogs is directly proportionate to the
number of times they've WARNED people to KILLFILE
Jerry and not study your FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual..."

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of
Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be
Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent,
Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's
And All Dogs, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught
In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual."

The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

Here's Disciple Paulie:

Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands
How Wits End Training Really Works, They
Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise
It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On
Trust And Understanding."

Disciple Paulie Writes:

I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell
them they are good dogs and they seem to
follow me, once I told them they were bad dogs
and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell
them they are good dogs and they always are, always.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.

Paul.

========================

Here's a couple of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students tellin you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE:

----- Original Message -----
From: <Juanita>
To: <ThePuppyWizard RemoveThis @EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: Heeling Pattern Exercise & Fear of Loud Noises

> Hi Jerry,

HOWEDY Juanita,

> Thought you might like an update.

It's always nice to hear from my students.

> Guess I should turn Harri, at least, out in
> the pasture before trying any exercises!
> She seems to consider it a fine time for
> bathroom behaviors.

That's EITHER anxiHOWESNESS or MALINGERING.

> Who would think so much poop can come
> from one dog in such a short time!? <g>

That's an old trick, Juanita. Your dog is probably
just malingering, but it MAY be nerves.

> What I really wanted to share with you, tho,
> is Namie's progress with fear of thunder.

Oh? We got a bonus?

> Even before I got your last email saying to
> praise with each noise, I was doing that one
> night, to my husband's scornful amusement.

Yeah. People don't understand what we're doin.

> Guess I got that idea from when you said
> (in the manual, I think) wouldn't it be handy
> if you could know when such a sound would
> happen? For the noise distraction.

Right.

> Today, it was thundering again, but Namie
> seems unconcerned about it--didn't even
> raise his head up, much less the usual
> pacing/looking for a safe place/drooling/
> whimpering/coming to his human for comfort!

EXXXCELLENT!

> And, I *know* he has to have heard it, as
> he usually starts acting antsy well before
> WE can hear it.

Of curse!

> I took them both out to the pasture, the back
> way, so I would not have to carry Namie up
> stairs--Harri on lead but Namie free--and on
> the way back he was ranging a ways away.
>
> I didn't even have to call him, just told him
> he's a good boy, and he came right to me.

Of curse!

> I think installing come with him will be
> much easier than with Harri.

At most it would take 4 HOWERS of
15 minute sessions to install a 100%
reliable come command.

> So, we are still a work in progress-

Perhaps with a little more practice you'll
get the come technique down pat.

> -if only I had more free time!

Just try not to use the come command until
it's thoroughly installed to avoid failure.

> And the weather was more cooperative.
> Oh, well, I do what I can . . .

S-HOWENDS like you're doin EXXXCELLENT!

> Thanks,

Thank you! I couldn't do it without your help!

> Juanita

Your Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >


"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard RemoveThis @earthlink.net>
schreef inbericht
news:DLpzb.2640$Qd6.1560@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> You'll get ALL the INFORMATION you need in your
> FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
> Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual. You'll be
> taught some general exercises to calm and relax
> your dog and give him the direct attention he
> NEEDS in only a few minutes every other day, and
> you'll learn HOWE to use distraction and praise to
> EXXXTINGUISH the HABITUAL aspect of this DIS-
> EASE.

My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail
at the root (Vet said his anal gland was blocked, and
was causing an itch).

After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his
tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat
you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt.

I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts.

I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long
textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this
is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for
somebody like me.

The minute he started to bite i trew my key's
next to him on the floor, and praised him (he
stopped biting and looked up when he heard
the sound) I did this 7 times,

after that the tailbiting completely stopped.
Just give the wits end method a try.

One of the possible downloadlocations
is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html


Hennie van Dalen
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11

----------------------------

"Paul B" <abcde RemoveThis @clear.net.nz> schreef in bericht
news:3ff50d83@clear.net.nz...
>
> Both my dogs at some stage have licked a spot
> somewhere on their bodies and I have always
> managed to train them to stop. In all cases there
> was nothing wrong that licking would have helped
> (Roz has had cut pads, stitches in her belly and
> skin itrritations, all tempting her to lick), none of their
> licking has been due to any allergies
>
>. When I see the dog licking more than normal I
> look at the spot to see whats there and decide if
> a vet appointment is needed or to wait and see,
> keeping a close eye.
>
>To stop the licking I distract the dog and give it
> some friendly banter, when it starts licking again
> I repeat, usually after about 4 times the dog stops,
> for the moment at least, if it starts again then repeat,
> before long the dog has no more desire to lick that
> spot at all.

The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing
problem too. He had an itch due to blocked anal glands
and started chewing and licking his tail at the root.

After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was
gone he still wouldn't stop. (because the place he
chewed raw was itching)

After some training (roughly the same methode as
yours) he stopped.

--
Hennie van Dalen
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/

--------------------------------------

"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis***@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...

RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The F***ing
Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works
very good!

But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on
A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching
him something new takes about 30minutes
(depending on what to teach offcourse)

My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.

Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"

There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.

For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!

My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.

Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html

-- Hennie van Dalen www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/


----- Original Message -----
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!

Hoku

==================

"Hoku Beltz" <hoku RemoveThis @rsphawaii.com> wrote in message
news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10868114@twister.socal.rr.com...

> Aloha Sunny,
> Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter how
> insignificant some of the step seem to be and your pupy will
> be a very well behaved dog in a few days.
>
> I would seriously consider backing out of the training classes
> as they will conflict with the Wit's End principles.
>
> I went the training route first, and still had problems until I
> found Wits' End. Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
> You won't be dissapointed if you follow the program.
>
> Good luck,
> Hoku

==================

Dave Cohen <cohen1 RemoveThis @total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry!

===================


Jeremy writes:

"A customer recently purchased a Shiba Inu and I suspect
she may be in for a wild ride. This is a breed that I suspect
may respond particularly well to mutual respect style training.

The alpha complex (as I now call it) is likely to
really provoke the dog's naturally competitive nature.

Thanks 1000 times for opening my eyes and don't let
those @$$#&% get you down. I can't be the only person
that sees the sense in your methods. I'm in Windsor,
Ontario, Canada and pass your info to anyone it might
help" Thanks, Jeremy.

================

"Ted Rumple" <rumplemint RemoveThis @kalbar.net> wrote in message
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>
> Jerry, I am forever in your debt. The system you have
> created for training dogs is absolutely amazing!
>
> I can't wait until the new version is available for human
> children!
>
> Thank you for your service to humanity!


From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Paul.

========================


The Jewish text _Darchei Shalom_
(Path of Peace) offers this advice for
coexistance.

1. Address issues, not people.

2. Check sources. Statements about the beliefs,
behaviors, and quotations of another group should
always be verified with members of that group for
accuracy, context, and intent.

3. Avoid stereotyping and sweeping generalities,
such as defining a whole group's behavior by the
behavior of some.

4. Avoid words of incitement. Language meant
merely to mock, divide, and insult should *never*
be used.

Are we havin FUN yet?

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Perhaps that was your anti psychotic meds talkin?

Was you takin anti psychotics when
you MURDERED your own DEAD DOG
Summer?

BWEEEEEEEEHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!


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> White Monkey wrote:
>
> > "Tee" wrote
> >
> >>>I have a 4 year old mixed breed dog. She sleeps on the floor
in the
> >
> > room
> >
> >>>with us. For the last couple of months, she has been pooping
on the
> >
> > floor
> >
> >>>overnight while we sleep.
> >
> >
> >
> >>It could also
> >>be incontinence setting in. Elderly dogs are as prone to
incontinence
> >>as elderly people and it doesn't always have to mean urinary
> >>incontinence.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This seems unlikely to me in a four-year old.
> > I'd get the dog to the vet for a check-up.
> > --Katrina
> >
>
> You're right, I somehow missed the 4yo and thought the dog was
elderly.
> I have absolutely no idea where I got that from though.
>
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Perhaps you're takin the same anti psychotic meds?

"White Monkey" <k.m.c.ooper.DeleteThis@chello.nl> wrote in message
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> > >>>I have a 4 year old mixed breed dog. She sleeps on the
floor in the
> > > room
> > >>>with us. For the last couple of months, she has been
pooping on the
> > > floor
> > >>>overnight while we sleep.
>
>
> > >>It could also
> > >>be incontinence setting in. Elderly dogs are as prone to
incontinence
> > >>as elderly people and it doesn't always have to mean urinary
> > >>incontinence.
>
>
> > > This seems unlikely to me in a four-year old.
> > > I'd get the dog to the vet for a check-up.
> > > --Katrina
>
>
> > You're right, I somehow missed the 4yo and thought the dog was
elderly.
> > I have absolutely no idea where I got that from though.
> > Tara
>
> You probably just subconsciously read "14" instead of "4".
Happens to me all
> the time.
> --Katrina
>
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bcj6402 said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> I don't understand why, if she had to poop, she would not
> whine or cry or try to wake us up (which is what she used
> to do).

She was caught unawares. As others have said, this is likely a
medical issue.

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BWEEEHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

"Rocky" <2dogsREMOVE.TakeThisOut@rocky-dog.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> bcj6402 said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > I don't understand why, if she had to poop, she would not
> > whine or cry or try to wake us up (which is what she used
> > to do).
>
> She was caught unawares. As others have said, this is likely a
> medical issue.
>
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