Offended a Breeder

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:10:00 GMT, Amy Dahl <amy.TakeThisOut@oakhillkennel.com>
wrote:

>
>
>darrz wrote:
>> > That's a lot of travel costs! Did you have to go out of the country?
>
>No, just a 600-mile round trip twice on miserable back roads. Back
>when I worked for the gov't they reimbursed $.30 per mile so I
>figured that plus motels.
>>
>> >WhelpWise service approx $450 with shipping, accessories, etc.
>> And WHAT is a WhelpWise service, may I ask?
>
>WhelpWise is a WONDERFUL service. Uterine monitoring for
>bitches in whelp. Whelping is hazardous to bitches and
>puppies. Living in a rural area with no full-service
>emergency vet, I have had a couple of really bad situations
>and a lot of worry in the past. With uterine monitoring
>we get a lot more information about what is going on. As
>I understand it, major interventions like C-sections can
>be either (1) prevented by earlier, minor interventions
>(like tiny doses of oxytocin and calcium) or (2) scheduled
>during regular vet's regular surgery hours.
>
>Depending on the situation, the interventions could save
>the life of the bitch, save the lives of one or more puppies,
>get the bitch and puppies through labor more easily with the
>effect that the puppies are stronger and get a better start
>and the bitch is stronger and better able to care for them.
>
>The equipment is expensive and takes espertise to use, so
>a breeder signs up for the service. They ship the equipment
>a week or so prior to the due date. The breeder learns to
>use it and transmits the readings by telephone for analysis.
>The breeder's vet makes up a kit of syringes with varying
>doses of meds which are given at the recommendation of the
>person reading the monitor.
>>
>> >
>> >Advertising $10 (breed club newsletter).
>> >
>> >Ultrasound about $100.
>> Is ultrasound common now, for pups?
>
>It helps peg the due date and estimate number of puppies.
>Both bits of information help the breeder make sure the
>whelping is on track, or recognize that intervention is
>needed.
>> >
>> >Long distance fees to return calls of dozens of prospective
>> >puppy buyers maybe $250.
>>
>> I'll use 10-10-220 and keep each call under 20 minutes! That's a lot
>> of phone charges!
>
>Keeping calls from puppy buyers under 20 minutes is beyond me. There's
>so much they want to know, and so much I need to know. Even if you
>could do it, I think that'd be a dollar apiece for 100-150 calls.
>Or more--with regular long distance, the short calls don't amount
>to much.
>
>Personally I think the whole problem here is the two meanings of
>"professional." It can mean "ethical" or "operating according to
>certain standards," or it can mean "doing it for the money."
>
>Amy Dahl

Just joshing about the phone calls, but this is a lot of up-front
expenses.

When I was born, even babies didn't get ultrasound, let alone dogs.

Thanks for the info.

Dave
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Dimpled Chad said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

> I can operate a screwdriver. I proved it by tightening the
> door-knob to my bathroom yesterday...

Yup. Once I learned "Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey", there was no
stopping me!

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Dimpled Chad wrote:

> Heh. At the moment I wish I knew how to drywall...

Putting up the drywall is EZ. It's taping the joints that takes skill.
My neighbor recently finished his basement, and put up the drywall
himself, but got a handyman to do the taping for him. Turned out well.

Suja
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Rocky wrote:

> Yup. Once I learned "Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey", there was no
> stopping me!

Aren't you some sort of engineering type? I had pictured y'll as the
incredibly mechanically inclined types, who could fix a B-1 Bomber
without looking at the manuals (manuals are for sissies, according to
DH). Shattered illusions....

Suja
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Dimpled Chad <dimpledc DeleteThis @hotmail.com> writes:

> Heh. At the moment I wish I knew how to drywall...
> Chad

Drywall is tedious, but pretty easy to learn. I got enough info about
it from a free pamphlet at the local Home Depot or Home Base or
whatever to do an adequate job in our house.

The other thing to keep in mind with drywall, is that even if you do
really screw up a section, the materials are cheap enough that you
haven't lost a lot of cash if you end up redoing sections.

Mostly, though, my wife is the handyman in the house. I do the
gardening, yard work, all of the dog chores, plus any of the nasty,
stinky jobs. She does all the finish work, as is pretty darn good at
it.

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Stafford A. Rau
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Dimpled Chad wrote:
> A porch I couldn't do. But I could assist someone knowledgable in building
> one...

A porch is not as simple as it looks. I saw it being done wrong and
being done right on my neighbor's house, and got a lot of answers to the
'Why do you have to do that' question.

Suja
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Dimpled Chad wrote:
>
> Heh. At the moment I wish I knew how to drywall...
> Chad
>
Based on my recent experience, step 1 is strength training.

I took a few leftover, cut-up boards to the dump. Just
getting them onto and off the truck was a strain. The
drywall contractors carry two at a time and hold them up
(sometimes while standing on a ladder) to be nailed in
place.

The nailing and mudding look straightforward, but who
knows, maybe looks are deceiving....

Amy Dahl
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On 29 Aug 2003 10:28:37 -0400, shore DeleteThis @panix.com (Melinda Shore) wrote:

>In article <nfnukvolqmtmdprftqgr8cnm3if22opna9 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
>darrz <darrz DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>>Whether the government regulations constrain the profits, or society's
>>morals constrain the profits, the effect is the same.
>
>That's irrelevant, but it may be worth pointing out that
>drinking too much water will kill you and consuming too much
>arsenic will kill you. The effect is the same, therefore
>the two must be the same. Or something.

Did the socialist have a bit of a bender, or something, last night?

>
>>I find the socialism analogy "good".
>
>That's because you still don't understand either capitalism
>or socialism. Maybe, perhaps kinda. this really isn't your
>topic.

My original post was not about socialism, as you know. It was about
the economics and responsibilities of breeding, today.

The "socialism" term was just a descriptive term, but you HAD to jump
on it, because it was a "smear" to the honor and beauty of socialism,
and you had to interject stuff about Finland (later only to claim it
was all irrelevant, although in the very same post, you continue to
prattle on about Finland), and communism, and economics 101, and yada,
yada, yada.

Well, was it worth it?

Somehow I think the history and future of socialism have not been
changed, either way.

You're nothing but a troll for socialism/communism, as inconsistent in
your arguments as you are in your conclusions. Your name calling is a
tepid demonstration of your lack of imagination, and integrity. Your
failure to admit even the most basic concept of socialism, strikes
everyone as the mode of a liar and a hypocrite.

You now join THE PUPPY WIZARD, in the killfile. Plonk!

Dave
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In article <e3rukvgfvlq3rn5i4u9a147b1s82ja6tga.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
darrz <darrz.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>The "socialism" term was just a descriptive term, but you HAD to jump
>on it, because it was a "smear" to the honor and beauty of socialism,
> [ ... ]

Well, no. I HAD to jump on it because you were (and remain)
incorrect on the facts and I am a nerd.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - shore.DeleteThis@panix.com

Fascism should more properly be called 'corporatism,' since it
is the marriage of government and corporate power. -- Benito Mussolini
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"darrz" <darrz.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Your
> failure to admit even the most basic concept of socialism, strikes
> everyone as the mode of a liar and a hypocrite.

Everyone? When I want you to speak for me, I'll let you know. No one else
has designated you as their spokesman, either, so I must infer that you're
making things up.

Cate
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"Dimpled Chad" <dimpledc.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Duh.

There's been an awful lot of that going around lately.

Cate
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In article <Xns93E6864FDFEDDcahDfncah555NO.TakeThisOut@130.133.1.4>,
Dimpled Chad <dimpledc.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Not reaping profit != socialism. Duh.

I'm picturing someone who did daily duck and cover exercises
through the whole dog-com bubble. He must have taken one
look at the toysmart.com IPO and headed for the fallout
shelter.
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Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - shore.TakeThisOut@panix.com

Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?
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Amy Dahl said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

> The nailing and mudding look straightforward, but who
> knows, maybe looks are deceiving....

Mudding and taping is an art form. I know plenty of people who
have put in their own drywall but bring in a pro for the taping.

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--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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