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Since: Mar 08, 2004 Posts: 99
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:07 pm
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Tara O. <boxertara RemoveThis @netscape.net> wrote:
>Why buy a chocolate when you really prefer the look of a
>yellow?
The reason for doing so is because your criteria for health
and temperament should be far important to you than color
is.
Now, I'm not saying that the following is true of Labs as
I can only really speak to Briards. But in my breed, I've
seen a number of prospective buyers give as one of their
three or four criteria "clear red tawny." Now, I *know*
the lines that are producing clear red tawny; they are
largely being produced by breeders whose breeding programs
put that color above anything else. Personally, I think
I am much happier with my tawny-with-an-overlay (a color
that many in my breed consider EXTREMELY ugly) than I
would be with most all of the clear reds I've seen.
JFWIW,
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Since: Aug 17, 2004 Posts: 331
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:49 pm
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"Tara O." <boxertara.TakeThisOut@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> Maybe I'm being obstinate but I think that its perfectly reasonable to
want
> a specific color, or shade within a color, if you have already done the
> legwork of selecting a quality breeder with quality dogs.
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I happen to agree. If you aren't looking for a puppy SOLELY by color, which
is a problem of many uninformed puppy buyers, and you are patient enough to
wait for the right puppy of a color you prefer, then I don't see the
problem. In labs, for example - I like would not want a "dudley" colored
yellow, because I find it very unappealing. In my breed, shelties, there
isn't one particular color I wouldn't want, but some markings that I don't
care for - very wide white blazes on the face, for example, or very solid
grayish merles without a lot of dark or white. That doesn't mean that if the
perfect puppy for me came along I would automatically reject it, but if I
had the choice I would seek a puppy with markings that I prefer. I probably
wouldn't approach a breeder stating "I want X marked puppy" because I know
that would probably turn them off, though. I'd reserve that for later, after
I had determined if this was possibly a breeder I'd consider buying from,
and if the litter potentially had the color I sought (no reason to look for
a blue from a sable litter, for example!) Then, if there were any
possibilities in the litter I'd evaluate them on all the points, color being
one of the last issues.
However, it can't hurt to be flexible. I ended up with my big, brown monster
dog in a similar way. I planned on a small brown girl, told the breeder I
was looking for a small brown girl, and met the litter which had some small
brown girls in it. Over a course of several weeks, evaluated the puppies and
ultimately did not like the small brown girls for various reasons. I could
have moved on and sought out another breeder at that point, if I was
dedicated to holding out for a small brown girl! However, a large brown boy
ended up being exactly what I wanted, even if I didn't know it when I
started my search. He's now turning out to be an awesome agility dog, has
started flyball lessons and learned the box turn in one class, is a
potential therapy dog, and is overall simply a fantastic member of the pack.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:57 pm
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"dianne marie schoenberg" <diannes.TakeThisOut@u.washington.edu> wrote in message
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> Then we moved onto the point of training, and she was
> bragging about how well-behaved her current Briard
> was. "Why, one day I was doing the dishes and looked
> out the window and saw him in the neighbors' yard--
> but he came right when I called him!"
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D'oh!
I recall interviewing a woman for a young rescue sheltie I was fostering.
The dog was about 9 months old and a bit of a wild child - very sweet and
clingy, but had a few training issues that needed to be dealt with,
particularly his desire to chew everything in sight. The potential owner had
started off the conversation with a lot of "the right answers" and brought
her dog to meet the puppy, so we just sat and chatted while they met. As we
talked, it came out that a) her husband didn't want another dog and b) the
dog would be spending a lot of time in the garage. Where the husband stored
thousands of dollars worth of supplies for his business. Chewable supplies.
Though a) would have been enough to end her chances of getting any dog from
us, it got worse. When I explained how having a puppy who chews things up
would not be a good candidate for living in a warehouse of potential chew
toys, she answered that she couldn't let him run loose, as a previous dog
had been run over that way, and she couldn't tie him up, as the last dog had
hung himself on his chain. Funny she hadn't filled that information in on
the application where it asks about what happened to prior pets!
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Since: Aug 20, 2003 Posts: 128
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:15 pm
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Tara O. said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
> Maybe I'm being obstinate but I think that its perfectly
> reasonable to want a specific color, or shade within a
> color, if you have already done the legwork of selecting a
> quality breeder with quality dogs.
I agree with this perspective. Should I want another aussie,
I'd specifically be looking for a non Black Tri. Even though I
prefer their looks, I'll never again have a predominately black
dog in this climate.
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Since: Mar 08, 2004 Posts: 99
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:17 pm
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Christy <easily.amused.TakeThisOut@gtenospam.net> wrote:
>However, it can't hurt to be flexible. I ended up with my big, brown monster
>dog in a similar way. I planned on a small brown girl, told the breeder I
>was looking for a small brown girl, and met the litter which had some small
>brown girls in it. Over a course of several weeks, evaluated the puppies and
>ultimately did not like the small brown girls for various reasons.
<*g*> I hear you. My first Briard was to be a small-to-
medium sized show-quality bitch. The first litter I went
to see had a nice show-quality bitch in it--but for
whatever reason she and I just didn't click. So who
did I end up with six weeks later? Her pet-quality
brother, who turned out to be 3" oversized. I never
regretted the decision for a minute, though. Damn, was
I ever in love with that boy... probably always will
be. <*sigh*>
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Since: Jul 01, 2003 Posts: 3494
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:56 pm
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Yeah. Tell us all abHOWET your SAR dog Jive?
"Lynn K." <javagsd DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Tara O." <boxertara DeleteThis @netscape.net> wrote in message news:
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> > I mean up to three generations back..not 3rd generation in the
entire line.
> > It'd be nice to have all clears up to 5 generations back but
I'm comfortable
> > with 3 :)
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> That's the kind of question that flows naturally out of
discussion of
> specific planned breeding, rather than a more general approach
on
> breeding program or practices. I think the best approach to any
> breeder is "I'm starting to plan for a puppy. If you have a
planned
> litter, can you tell me about it. I'm looking for
> pet/show/trial/whatever." IOW, start from the point of the dogs
> instead of contracts, just as you would start with a potential
rescue
> adopter by asking them to tell you about their last dog.
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Since: Aug 21, 2003 Posts: 216
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:13 pm
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Since: Jun 22, 2003 Posts: 34
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:31 pm
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>I have no problem with, "All else being equal, I'll take the red one."
>But that's not the same thing as "I only want a red one." I may have
>this perspective because of the breed I happen to have, but color
>preferences really just gross me out.
Not me. I use color as a marker to select what I want and narrow down my
field. I specialize in Tri English springers, and have produced 9 tri's, only
2 bicolors. People come to me specifically because they know I have tri's, and
I am more than willing to help them find a good one. >> Stay informed about: Offended a Breeder |
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Since: Aug 21, 2003 Posts: 216
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:25 pm
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Since: Aug 21, 2003 Posts: 216
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:41 pm
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Since: Jul 01, 2003 Posts: 3494
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:57 pm
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HOWEYD christy,
SHOWENDS like you'd NEVER "place" a dog with marybeth's daddykins,
peejoe, gwen honey, perry, and tara o., FOR STARTERS, eh?
"Christy" <easily.amused DeleteThis @gtenospam.net> wrote in message
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> "dianne marie schoenberg" <diannes DeleteThis @u.washington.edu> wrote in
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> >
> > Then we moved onto the point of training, and she was
> > bragging about how well-behaved her current Briard
> > was. "Why, one day I was doing the dishes and looked
> > out the window and saw him in the neighbors' yard--
> > but he came right when I called him!"
> >
>
> D'oh!
> I recall interviewing a woman for a young rescue sheltie I was
fostering.
> The dog was about 9 months old and a bit of a wild child - very
sweet and
> clingy, but had a few training issues that needed to be dealt
with,
> particularly his desire to chew everything in sight. The
potential owner had
> started off the conversation with a lot of "the right answers"
and brought
> her dog to meet the puppy, so we just sat and chatted while they
met. As we
> talked, it came out that a) her husband didn't want another dog
and b) the
> dog would be spending a lot of time in the garage. Where the
husband stored
> thousands of dollars worth of supplies for his business.
Chewable supplies.
> Though a) would have been enough to end her chances of getting
any dog from
> us, it got worse. When I explained how having a puppy who chews
things up
> would not be a good candidate for living in a warehouse of
potential chew
> toys, she answered that she couldn't let him run loose, as a
previous dog
> had been run over that way, and she couldn't tie him up, as the
last dog had
> hung himself on his chain. Funny she hadn't filled that
information in on
> the application where it asks about what happened to prior pets!
>
> Christy
>
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Since: Aug 20, 2003 Posts: 128
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 1:15 am
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Janice said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
> OFA is very fast to
> correct these errors when enough information is given.
You've posted your bug report to the right place, heh.
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Since: Aug 20, 2003 Posts: 128
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 1:37 am
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Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
> If you do select for color,
> you end up with what you see at the average agility trial,
> which is lots of big, square Border Collies in many fashion
> colors.
We've got to get you to a non USAian trial. The herding BCs you
describe are what I see here in agility; however, there's a
fairly large commonality between recreational herding and
agility BCs here.
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Since: Jun 25, 2003 Posts: 10
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 1:43 am
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>Personally, I think
>I am much happier with my tawny-with-an-overlay (a color
>that many in my breed consider EXTREMELY ugly) than I
>would be with most all of the clear reds I've seen.
Oh we have that in poms too. People want a tiny white or (they'll settle for)
cream female. And are willing to go to BYBs and pay $900 for the privelege, for
a dog with a flat coat, huge ears, looong muzzle that looks nothing like the
breed. Meanwhile a friend of mine can't place a 14mos old, Ch sire & dam,
housebroken, leash broken, perfectly beautiful orange male for $400... >> Stay informed about: Offended a Breeder |
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Since: Aug 20, 2003 Posts: 375
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 2:01 am
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Andrea wrote:
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> "Amy Dahl" <amy RemoveThis @oakhillkennel.com> wrote
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> > You could look for a breeder who has had the Optigen PRA linkage
> > (DNA) test done on the dam (or bred to a sire that is clear). If
> > either sire or dam is Pattern A, they do not carry the PRA gene.
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> I forgot you guys had this. <whine> Where's ours?!? </whine>
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> Thank you. You may now return to your regularly scheduled new group.
>
I have to say, in the case of Chesapeake Bay Retrievers, the
establishment (and improvement) of an OptiGen test for PRA
owes a lot to certain breed club members who got the word out
and encouraged owners of dogs "of interest to the study" to
participate. One individual in particular, Sue Cone, galvanized
and motivated a lot of people, and kept the rest of us informed.
Of course, the numbers of CBRs, the proportion of owners who are
Club members, and the number of affected CBRs all played a role in
the establishment of the test. I personally know a lot more CBRs
than Basenjis. Are there really more? I think around 5000 are
registered each year. Also, breeders and Club members had already
paid PRA a lot of attention, so many were primed to participate.
Anyway, having someone in the breed club take up the cause can
really make a difference.
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