Mystry solved....

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On Sep 29, 6:28�pm, "Reel McKoi" <dorundayREM....RemoveThis@THISgmail.com> wrote:
> Mystry solved - I hope. The tabs were the tabs for the pond water lilies.
> :-O They have a NPK of 2-1-12.
>
> I did another gravel vac, getting harder all the time because of the
> plants,
> and drained the water down to an inch above the gravel. Refilled the tank
> and will check the water values in a few hours.
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> RM....
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Well it's a good thing you caught that.
Now your tank can settle down. = )
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Got some different values this morning.

Nitrate = 30
Nitrite = 0
PH = 7.8
Hardness and alk the same.

Everyone looks fine but the clown loaches haven't eaten anything yet. One
loach dispossessed a clown pleco from the real log and moved him/herself in.
:-D
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Well done indeed! :) I'd humbly recommend keeping an eye on those nitrates
so they don't get out of hand. Smaller, more frequent water changes stress
out fish less than fewer, larger water changes, if that helps. :)

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> "Tynk" <TYNK7.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 29, 6:28?pm, "Reel McKoi" <dorundayREM....DeleteThis@THISgmail.com> wrote:
>> Mystry solved - I hope. The tabs were the tabs for the pond water lilies.
>> :-O They have a NPK of 2-1-12.
>>
>> I did another gravel vac, getting harder all the time because of the
>> plants,
>> and drained the water down to an inch above the gravel. Refilled the tank
>> and will check the water values in a few hours.
>> --
>> RM....
>> Zone 6. Middle TN USA
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>
> Well it's a good thing you caught that.
> Now your tank can settle down. = )
> ==================================
> Got some different values this morning.
>
> Nitrate = 30
> Nitrite = 0
> PH = 7.8
> Hardness and alk the same.
>
> Everyone looks fine but the clown loaches haven't eaten anything yet. One
> loach dispossessed a clown pleco from the real log and moved him/herself
> in. :-D
> --
> RM....
> .
> Zone 6. Middle TN USA
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> Well done indeed! :) I'd humbly recommend keeping an eye on those
> nitrates so they don't get out of hand. Smaller, more frequent water
> changes stress out fish less than fewer, larger water changes, if that
> helps. :)
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Oh I agree. But I really wanted to get rid of the nitrates and nitrites
before anyone else died. I refilled it slowly with the Python and everyone
still looks fine. The clown loaches, very active and colorful, still aren't
eating.
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On Oct 1, 12:07�pm, "Reel McKoi" <dorundayREM....TakeThisOut@THISgmail.com> wrote:
> "Jeffrey St. Clair, Ph.D." <info@REMOVE*THIScichlid-world.com> wrote in
> messagenews:4701086a$0$19599$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...> Well done indeed!  :)  I'd humbly recommend keeping an eye on those
> > nitrates so they don't get out of hand.  Smaller, more frequent water
> > changes stress out fish less than fewer, larger water changes, if that
> > helps.  :)
>
> ====================================]
> Oh I agree. But I really wanted to get rid of the nitrates and nitrites
> before anyone else died. I refilled it slowly with the Python and everyone
> still looks fine.  The clown loaches, very active and colorful, still aren't
> eating.
> --
> RM....
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Great to hear things are getting better! = )
As for the Clowns not eating, have you tried:
Frozen Bloodworms?
Frozen Brine shrimp?
If you have, did you just let loose with the food in the tank, or get
it down right by them, or in their hidey holes?
When I first got a second Peacock Eel he hid inside a rock cave during
feeding time. By the time he'd venture out the food was eaten up.
I had to take my "feeding dropper" (a childs liquid medicine dropper)
and release bloodworms right inside the cave for it.
I did that for a couple of weeks. When he started to peek his head out
to grab some food before it was released, I would then release a small
amount of worms outside the cave. In no time he was out and about
searching for food with his buddy.
When I'm trying to coax a fish to eat I tend to over feed a little, so
I do adjust my water change schedule.
I just love how your clown kicked the pleco out of his home and took
over.
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Great to hear things are getting better! = )
As for the Clowns not eating, have you tried:
Frozen Bloodworms?
Frozen Brine shrimp?

Yep! I always have them on hand. Also have the mixed pack and tried frozen
beef heart. They come over at feeding time but act very nervous and
fearful. Maybe they just need more time. Both loaches have moved into the
hollow juniper log where they take their brakes and naps. The poor clown
pleco has moved under a bushy plant.

If you have, did you just let loose with the food in the tank, or get
it down right by them, or in their hidey holes?

All the other fish get it before it hits bottom. I've been dropping shrimp
pellets for the corys and they eat them, but the loaches stay around
midwater. They don't act like they see the food falling. They're seldom on
the bottom. They don't look like they're getting thin.

When I first got a second Peacock Eel he hid inside a rock cave during
feeding time. By the time he'd venture out the food was eaten up.
I had to take my "feeding dropper" (a childs liquid medicine dropper)
and release bloodworms right inside the cave for it.
I did that for a couple of weeks. When he started to peek his head out
to grab some food before it was released, I would then release a small
amount of worms outside the cave. In no time he was out and about
searching for food with his buddy.

That's was a good idea. These loaches are all over the place though. My
last ones did eat anything I fed so I think these little guys just need more
time to settle in and get over their fears. They're very jittery and
nervous. At least they're coming over at feeding time. How large do peacock
eels get?

When I'm trying to coax a fish to eat I tend to over feed a little, so
I do adjust my water change schedule.
I just love how your clown kicked the pleco out of his home and took
over.

That was funny! :-D And the loach didn't harm it either, just sort of
"aggravated" and annoyed it until it left for the bottom. The log in
question is floating at the front of the tank and is partly hollow. The
loach really wanted that cavern. This morning I saw both loaches go in
together. ;-) I'm going to get two more the next time I go to town if the
store still has them. I don't see nice healthy deeply colored loaches all
that often.

I also spied 3 new young Sunburst platys hiding in the plants. :-))
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On Oct 2, 3:17�pm, "Reel McKoi" <dorundayREM... DeleteThis @THISgmail.com> wrote:
> "Tynk" <TY... DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191336245.217541.208400@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Great to hear things are getting better!  = )
> As for the Clowns not eating, have you tried:
> Frozen Bloodworms?
> Frozen Brine shrimp?
>
> Yep!  I always have them on hand. Also have the mixed pack and tried frozen
> beef heart.  They come over at feeding time but act very nervous and
> fearful.  Maybe they just need more time.  Both loaches have moved into the
> hollow juniper log where they take their brakes and naps. The poor clown
> pleco has moved under a bushy plant.
>
> If you have, did you just let loose with the food in the tank, or get
> it down right by them, or in their hidey holes?
>
> All the other fish get it before it hits bottom.  I've been dropping shrimp
> pellets for the corys and they eat them, but the loaches stay around
> midwater.  They don't act like they see the food falling.  They're seldom on
> the bottom. They don't look like they're getting thin.
>
> When I first got a second Peacock Eel he hid inside a rock cave during
> feeding time. By the time he'd venture out the food was eaten up.
> I had to take my "feeding dropper" (a childs liquid medicine dropper)
> and release bloodworms right inside the cave for it.
> I did that for a couple of weeks. When he started to peek his head out
> to grab some food before it was released, I would then release a small
> amount of worms outside the cave. In no time he was out and about
> searching for food with his buddy.
>
> That's was a good idea.  These loaches are all over the place though.  My
> last ones did eat anything I fed so I think these little guys just need more
> time to settle in and get over their fears.  They're very jittery and
> nervous.  At least they're coming over at feeding time. How large do peacock
> eels get?
>
> When I'm trying to coax a fish to eat I tend to over feed a little, so
> I do adjust my water change schedule.
> I just love how your clown kicked the pleco out of his home and took
> over.
>
> That was funny!  :-D  And the loach didn't harm it either, just sort of
> "aggravated" and annoyed it until it left for the bottom.  The log in
> question is floating at the front of the tank and is partly hollow.  The
> loach really wanted that cavern.  This morning I saw both loaches go in
> together.  ;-)  I'm going to get two more the next time I go to town if the
> store still has them.  I don't see nice healthy deeply colored loaches all
> that often.
>
> I also spied 3 new young Sunburst platys hiding in the plants.  :-))
> --
>
> RM....
> Zone 6.  Middle TN USA
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Hi there.
I would suggest trying a medicine dropper (available - usually free if
you say you need one, at your local pharmacy).
Having a tank full of female Bettas and young Angelfish, I had to use
the two handed method. = )~
One hand swooshed around some bloodworms on one side of the tank, and
the other hand was releasing bloodworms into the cave with the
dropper. The trick is to not let the other fish see what you're doing
over there.
Get them distracted on the opposite end of where your clowns hang out.
Leave some food there even if they're not in their safe place.
I bet they'll start eating in no time.
As for how large the striped peacock eel gets, about 12" long.
They don't get as large as the tire track or fire eels.
They also don't develope a nasty attitude like some of the other eels
can get when older. Striped Peacock eels aren't going to start dining
on any of my fish either. Another plus for this type. That's not to
say they can't eat small fish, because it is possible.
I read something small like a feeder gup may be taken. I've never lost
any fish and I've had some pretty young female Bettas in with 2 of
them.
They relish live Blackworms, however, I got a bad batch of them and
lost several fish because of it.
I was so ticked.
Since then I only feed frozen foods. Mainly bloodworms (their fav
after the live B. worms), a little Brine shrimp from time to time
(they don't like it much), and lastly Mysis shrimp (they like this the
least).
Sometimes when I'm making shrimp for us to eat I'll toss in some bits
of the meat. They come over and what looks like to be sniffing it, but
leave it. The other fish gobble it up.
Oh....I get the bits of shrimp for the fish before seasoning. I don't
think they'd care for my choice in spices, lol.
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Hi there.
I would suggest trying a medicine dropper (available - usually free if
you say you need one, at your local pharmacy).
Having a tank full of female Bettas and young Angelfish, I had to use
the two handed method. = )~
One hand swooshed around some bloodworms on one side of the tank, and
the other hand was releasing bloodworms into the cave with the
dropper. The trick is to not let the other fish see what you're doing
over there.

This is a good idea but this morning they finally had the nerve to eat.
They came over with the others and started taking the flakes. This afternoon
they took the HBH SuperSoft pellets. I bet they eat the brine shrimp
tonight. Since the new clown I picked up today came from the same tank, I
put him right in with them. There's an injured GF in the quarantine tank.
In less than a hour he had a snail in his mouth, rolling it around. This
one is totally fearless. He doesn't hide when I walk past the tank. I don't
think all three will fit in the log though. I still have the little barrel
and a few things I can offer him/her.

Get them distracted on the opposite end of where your clowns hang out.
Leave some food there even if they're not in their safe place.
I bet they'll start eating in no time.
As for how large the striped peacock eel gets, about 12" long.
They don't get as large as the tire track or fire eels.

How large is your tank? 12" is a good size critter.

They also don't develope a nasty attitude like some of the other eels
can get when older. Striped Peacock eels aren't going to start dining
on any of my fish either. Another plus for this type. That's not to
say they can't eat small fish, because it is possible.
I read something small like a feeder gup may be taken. I've never lost
any fish and I've had some pretty young female Bettas in with 2 of
them.
They relish live Blackworms, however, I got a bad batch of them and
lost several fish because of it.

Where did you get them? You bought them live?

I was so ticked.
Since then I only feed frozen foods. Mainly bloodworms (their fav
after the live B. worms), a little Brine shrimp from time to time
(they don't like it much), and lastly Mysis shrimp (they like this the
least).
Sometimes when I'm making shrimp for us to eat I'll toss in some bits
of the meat. They come over and what looks like to be sniffing it, but
leave it. The other fish gobble it up.
Oh....I get the bits of shrimp for the fish before seasoning. I don't
think they'd care for my choice in spices, lol.

I know what you mean. :-) I give mine a pinch of canned mackerel and tuna.
They love it.
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On Oct 3, 6:57�pm, "Reel McKoi" <dorundayREM... RemoveThis @THISgmail.com> wrote:


> How large is your tank?  12" is a good size critter.
>
It's a 75g. They're only about 4-6" long and aren't growing too fast
at all.
Actually, come to think of it I don't think the one I've had the
longest (I got Gonzo a year ago) has grown longer at all. Fatter
sure...but longer, not really.
I just doubled checked the info on these eels, and they reach 12" in
the wild, but grow 6-8" in captivity.
That's bigger plus IMO to choose a peacock instead of a Fire or
Tiretrack eel.
For a much larger tank, I'd go for a Fire eel, as they are beautiful.

> They relish live Blackworms, however, I got a bad batch of them and
> lost several fish because of it.
>
> Where did you get them? You bought them live?
>
I can get live black worms at a local pet shop in town. They usually
have them for sale because they feed their Discus the worms.
The bad batch which made my fish sick and caused the death of a few,
went rancid on them quickly.
I brought my portion back the next day because there was obviously
something wrong with it.
It was too late for some fish though, as they were fed some it when it
was bought. It looked fine when it was bought, and that wasn't the
first batch I had purchased from the store. Never had a problem in the
past, but new there were risks when feeding live black worms.
Well, it only takes once. I lost a favorite pair of pearlscale angels
that were in between spawnings, a peacock eel, as well as other fish
too.
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On Oct 3, 6:57�pm, "Reel McKoi" <dorundayREM....TakeThisOut@THISgmail.com> wrote:


> How large is your tank? 12" is a good size critter.
>
It's a 75g. They're only about 4-6" long and aren't growing too fast
at all.
Actually, come to think of it I don't think the one I've had the
longest (I got Gonzo a year ago) has grown longer at all. Fatter
sure...but longer, not really.
I just doubled checked the info on these eels, and they reach 12" in
the wild, but grow 6-8" in captivity.
That's bigger plus IMO to choose a peacock instead of a Fire or
Tiretrack eel.
For a much larger tank, I'd go for a Fire eel, as they are beautiful.

== The PetsMart here has these peacock eels. They were all hiding under a
decoration. Does yours come out and socialize or move around much? I didn't
notice the price here.

> They relish live Blackworms, however, I got a bad batch of them and
> lost several fish because of it.
>
> Where did you get them? You bought them live?


I can get live black worms at a local pet shop in town. They usually
have them for sale because they feed their Discus the worms.
The bad batch which made my fish sick and caused the death of a few,
went rancid on them quickly.
I brought my portion back the next day because there was obviously
something wrong with it.
It was too late for some fish though, as they were fed some it when it
was bought. It looked fine when it was bought, and that wasn't the
first batch I had purchased from the store. Never had a problem in the
past, but new there were risks when feeding live black worms.
Well, it only takes once. I lost a favorite pair of pearlscale angels
that were in between spawnings, a peacock eel, as well as other fish
too.

== I can just imagine how upset you were. Did the store offer to replace
the fish that died?
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