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Since: Jul 28, 2004 Posts: 85
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:43 am
Post subject: Mouse mystery illness Archived from groups: alt>pets>mice (more info?)
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My 11 month old mouse, Quattro, has something wrong with her, and even after
taking her to the vet we still don't know what is wrong. About a month ago
she developed and eye infection, and her fur started looking "separated" as
opposed to smooth. We took her to the vet and she got antibiotic eye
ointment and a treatment for mites (which all 5 of my mice got). She needed
2 courses of the eye ointment to get her eye looking better, but it still
doesn't look "right". Her fur never really did get smooth again.
For a couple of days I've noticed a small amount of blood coming from her
vaginal area (I am sure that's the right place) but I thought maybe it was
menstrual? Tonight it seems to be more significant - not gushing or
anything but still, leaving small streaks of blood around the wooden toys in
the cage (not splattered).
I am very concerned. We travel full-time and we are now 600 miles away from
the vet who saw her last. She is eating and drinking fine, although seems
more sluggish than her usual self. She has lived in the same cage her whole
life with her sisters, and never has had contact with a male.
I also noticed that about 2 months ago she "bulked up" practically overnight
and now is a whopping 50 grams (my other mice are 30). She has also been
over-groomed by her sisters and now has quite a bald spot on her head, but
there is never any fighting in that cage.
Does anyone know what's going on? It cost us $50 at the vet the last time,
and while money isn't the primary concern, she didn't even get better after
we spent that money (and it was an "exotics" vet).
Advice appreciated.
Thanks, Meghan >> Stay informed about: Mouse mystery illness |
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Since: Feb 20, 2004 Posts: 36
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:33 am
Post subject: Re: Mouse mystery illness [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Meghan" <meghanNO1112.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> My 11 month old mouse, Quattro, has something wrong with her, and even
after
> taking her to the vet we still don't know what is wrong. About a month
ago
> she developed and eye infection, and her fur started looking "separated"
as
> opposed to smooth. We took her to the vet and she got antibiotic eye
> ointment and a treatment for mites (which all 5 of my mice got). She
needed
> 2 courses of the eye ointment to get her eye looking better, but it still
> doesn't look "right". Her fur never really did get smooth again.
>
> For a couple of days I've noticed a small amount of blood coming from her
> vaginal area (I am sure that's the right place) but I thought maybe it was
> menstrual? Tonight it seems to be more significant - not gushing or
> anything but still, leaving small streaks of blood around the wooden toys
in
> the cage (not splattered).
>
> I am very concerned. We travel full-time and we are now 600 miles away
from
> the vet who saw her last. She is eating and drinking fine, although seems
> more sluggish than her usual self. She has lived in the same cage her
whole
> life with her sisters, and never has had contact with a male.
>
> I also noticed that about 2 months ago she "bulked up" practically
overnight
> and now is a whopping 50 grams (my other mice are 30). She has also been
> over-groomed by her sisters and now has quite a bald spot on her head, but
> there is never any fighting in that cage.
>
> Does anyone know what's going on? It cost us $50 at the vet the last
time,
> and while money isn't the primary concern, she didn't even get better
after
> we spent that money (and it was an "exotics" vet).
>
> Advice appreciated.
> Thanks, Meghan
>
>
Has your mouse been eating and drinking more? Is she urinating more? If
she drinks more water than usual, then that usually indicates either
diabetes or a urinary tract infection or a kidney infection or even all 3.
Diabetes symptoms also include dramatic weight gain or loss or a yo yoing of
weight.
Diabetic rodents tend to get a 'greasy' look to their fur. I'm not sure if
that is what you mean by 'separated fur. As well, it could also indicate
that your mouse is not grooming herself properly--an indication that she is
not well.
You can purchase Diastix (to check glucose in the urine) OR Ketodiastix (to
check glucose and ketones in the urine) to diagnose if she has sugar and
ketones in her urine--I recommend the Ketodiastix. The strips are cheap and
are usually available behind the counter at your local pharmacy.
Just dip the strip into fresh urine that has not been contaminated. Wait
for the results and follow the package instructions.
If she is diabetic, you will need to change her diet. Let us know what the
results are and then I'm sure someone here on this ng can help you--myself
included.
Diabetics usually also get other types of infections easily--perhaps the eye
infection is a complication. >> Stay informed about: Mouse mystery illness |
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Since: Feb 10, 2004 Posts: 7
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:51 am
Post subject: Re: Mouse mystery illness [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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In message <MvDWb.1260$W74.581@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Meghan"
<meghanNO1112.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> My 11 month old mouse, Quattro, has something wrong with her, and even
after
> taking her to the vet we still don't know what is wrong. About a month
ago
> she developed and eye infection, and her fur started looking "separated"
as
> opposed to smooth. We took her to the vet and she got antibiotic eye
> ointment and a treatment for mites (which all 5 of my mice got). She needed
> 2 courses of the eye ointment to get her eye looking better, but it still
> doesn't look "right". Her fur never really did get smooth again.
>
> For a couple of days I've noticed a small amount of blood coming from her
> vaginal area (I am sure that's the right place) but I thought maybe it
was
> menstrual? Tonight it seems to be more significant - not gushing or
> anything but still, leaving small streaks of blood around the wooden toys
in
> the cage (not splattered).
>
> I am very concerned. We travel full-time and we are now 600 miles away
from
> the vet who saw her last. She is eating and drinking fine, although seems
> more sluggish than her usual self. She has lived in the same cage her
whole
> life with her sisters, and never has had contact with a male.
>
> I also noticed that about 2 months ago she "bulked up" practically overnight
> and now is a whopping 50 grams (my other mice are 30). She has also been
> over-groomed by her sisters and now has quite a bald spot on her head,
but
> there is never any fighting in that cage.
>
> Does anyone know what's going on? It cost us $50 at the vet the last time,
> and while money isn't the primary concern, she didn't even get better after
> we spent that money (and it was an "exotics" vet).
>
> Advice appreciated.
> Thanks, Meghan
>
>
Not sure if this is related, but we had a mouse ("Hester") a few months ago
who put lost a lot of fur and on the advice of the pet shop we began to treat
her for mites (but I cuoldn't understand why the other mice weren't affected.)
This went on for months with no improvement. Also she wasn't so fast on the
wheel anymore but otherwise seemed ok. Then she started to get some skin
growths and put on wieght as though she was pregnant but the time for the
babys cam and went and nothing happened. After that she got noticably ill
and was bleeding from behind. Believing that she probably had cancer I took
her to the vet to but put down and the vet took a look and said it could be
tumours on her kidneys or it could be babies that she just can't pass so he
ultrasounded her (I thinkit was a slow day and he was curious.) Turned out
indeed she was pregnant. He offer to do a ceaser (offered to do it at cost)
and opened her up. Her whole womb was infected, the babies all dead and
mumified so Heester had a full histerectomy (two vets working on her by this
stage as there was nothing else for them to do.) Anyway Hester is a fully
recovered happy mouse now, but I wonder if you mouse could have an infected
womb as well (Hester was off colour before she fell pregnant, so I don't think
the pregnancy is a requirement.)
Regards
John G >> Stay informed about: Mouse mystery illness |
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Since: Jul 28, 2004 Posts: 85
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:31 am
Post subject: Re: Mouse mystery illness [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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I do have ketostix and attempted to get a urine sample, but getting a mouse
to "pee on command" is something else entirely. I felt that I was stressing
her out too much keeping her separated waiting for a sample, so I just put
her back with her sisters.
We are currently located in rural East Texas and finding a vet who will even
think of treating a mouse is proving to be a challenge. I am still hoping
for more suggestions.
Meghan
"Rodentology Student" <hamsterese DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Meghan" <meghanNO1112 DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:MvDWb.1260$W74.581@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > My 11 month old mouse, Quattro, has something wrong with her, and even
> after
> > taking her to the vet we still don't know what is wrong. About a month
> ago
> > she developed and eye infection, and her fur started looking "separated"
> as
> > opposed to smooth. We took her to the vet and she got antibiotic eye
> > ointment and a treatment for mites (which all 5 of my mice got). She
> needed
> > 2 courses of the eye ointment to get her eye looking better, but it
still
> > doesn't look "right". Her fur never really did get smooth again.
> >
> > For a couple of days I've noticed a small amount of blood coming from
her
> > vaginal area (I am sure that's the right place) but I thought maybe it
was
> > menstrual? Tonight it seems to be more significant - not gushing or
> > anything but still, leaving small streaks of blood around the wooden
toys
> in
> > the cage (not splattered).
> >
> > I am very concerned. We travel full-time and we are now 600 miles away
> from
> > the vet who saw her last. She is eating and drinking fine, although
seems
> > more sluggish than her usual self. She has lived in the same cage her
> whole
> > life with her sisters, and never has had contact with a male.
> >
> > I also noticed that about 2 months ago she "bulked up" practically
> overnight
> > and now is a whopping 50 grams (my other mice are 30). She has also
been
> > over-groomed by her sisters and now has quite a bald spot on her head,
but
> > there is never any fighting in that cage.
> >
> > Does anyone know what's going on? It cost us $50 at the vet the last
> time,
> > and while money isn't the primary concern, she didn't even get better
> after
> > we spent that money (and it was an "exotics" vet).
> >
> > Advice appreciated.
> > Thanks, Meghan
> >
> >
>
> Has your mouse been eating and drinking more? Is she urinating more? If
> she drinks more water than usual, then that usually indicates either
> diabetes or a urinary tract infection or a kidney infection or even all 3.
> Diabetes symptoms also include dramatic weight gain or loss or a yo yoing
of
> weight.
>
> Diabetic rodents tend to get a 'greasy' look to their fur. I'm not sure
if
> that is what you mean by 'separated fur. As well, it could also indicate
> that your mouse is not grooming herself properly--an indication that she
is
> not well.
>
> You can purchase Diastix (to check glucose in the urine) OR Ketodiastix
(to
> check glucose and ketones in the urine) to diagnose if she has sugar and
> ketones in her urine--I recommend the Ketodiastix. The strips are cheap
and
> are usually available behind the counter at your local pharmacy.
>
> Just dip the strip into fresh urine that has not been contaminated. Wait
> for the results and follow the package instructions.
>
> If she is diabetic, you will need to change her diet. Let us know what
the
> results are and then I'm sure someone here on this ng can help you--myself
> included.
>
> Diabetics usually also get other types of infections easily--perhaps the
eye
> infection is a complication.
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Mouse mystery illness |
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Since: Feb 17, 2004 Posts: 5
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 4:17 am
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Meghan,
We have 2 diabetic guinea pigs. When I need to get a urine sample, I put
them in a clean plastic-bottomed carry case and simply leave them there
until they do their business. We're able to give them water via syringe, so
I can "fill them up" pretty easily beforehand -- I don't know how easy this
would be to do with a mouse. We talk to them while they're in the case so
they don't feel totally abandoned. If needed, I carry the case around the
house with me.
The first few times we tried to get a sample, the piggies held out on me for
hours. But they soon learned that they could get out of the case and be
given a treat as soon as they peed. Now the routine's down to a minute or
two, tops.
Good luck,
Patricia
"Meghan" wrote ...
> I do have ketostix and attempted to get a urine sample, but getting a
mouse
> to "pee on command" is something else entirely. I felt that I was
stressing
> her out too much keeping her separated waiting for a sample, so I just put
> her back with her sisters.
>
> We are currently located in rural East Texas and finding a vet who will
even
> think of treating a mouse is proving to be a challenge. I am still hoping
> for more suggestions.
>
> Meghan
> >> Stay informed about: Mouse mystery illness |
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