Missing a testicle

In article <Fri963DC4465AF6Aaustralianshepherdca DeleteThis @rocky-dog.com>,
Rocky <2dogs DeleteThis @rocky-dog.com> wrote:
>I'm feeling sorry because she was heading into something new
>with dogs (she's done agility for a long time with rescue dogs)
>and was really looking forward to conformation.

I know a guy who got a Siberian puppy to be his foundation
dog for a racing kennel. One of the puppy's testicles never
descended and the owner recognized that he should have had
the dog neutered, but he didn't. He got careless with his
dogs and the dog bred his full sister, who produced a litter
of epileptic pups. It was one of the most negligent things
I've ever seen from a "serious" dog person.
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"Rocky" <2dogs.DeleteThis@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
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> What would be your advice to a friend who was all hepped up
> about her first purebred that could be shown, but has only
> dropped a single testicle? The dog is 6 months old. Is it
> still too late?

From what I've read, talked to people/vets/breeders & so on, chances
are pretty slim. I've also heard few rare stories of dogs that have
had the second come down just this side of 9 mos, but that's the latest
I've heard. Also, I've heard that a lot depends upon which one is down.
Supposedly if one (I cannot remember which!) is down then there is a chance
of the other coming because of the way things are connected. But if the
other one is the one down, chances are pretty rare. Sorry, but I can't
even remember which one it was!

> Shelly: tell me more about your experiences with Bodhi in CKC's
> altered class (I can't find anything at ckc.ca). My opinion is
> that all titles promote the line, and that my friend would do
> well by the breed by showing her dog even when he's neutered.

It wasn't a CKC event per se, but the Belgian Shepherd Club of Canada's.
It's a "non-regular" class, so while you can still compete and even do well,
there are no points involved. Once upon a time, I'd heard that UKC offers
an
altered class as well, but I don't know since we rarely have UKC
conformation
around here, and if on the rare occasion they do, they NEVER have Belgians.

One thing your friend can do though (and trust me, I *know* it's no
consolation),
is she can show in matches and take handling classes with him.
That way she can learn the ropes on a dog that it's not going to make a
difference one way or another if she does silly things. :-)
Also...if it's a working/herding type breed, then her breed club may offer
something
like the BSCA does, and that is a Working Dog title, and at our Specialties,
they
offer a conformation class only for dogs & bitches w/ Working Dog titles.
(The BSCA, in order to earn the WD title, you need to have earned
5 points in 3 different venues, one of which has to be a 3 pt. title. For
example, a
PT, CD and NA/NAJ is considered a 1 pt, CDX, HS & OA/OAJ is 2 points.
TDX, UD,
HI, AX/AXJ is 3 points, HX, UDX, VST are all 4 points and OTCh, HC, TC,
MACH are
all 5 pointers). It goes on to WD-X (Working Dog Excellent), which
requires 7 points total.
They also offer the WD to dogs that are on the job service or herding/stock
dogs as well.

Anyway...BSCA offers a conformation class (no points earned for wins--so dog
can never become a Ch) for dogs w/ Working Dog titles, and they can also
show
in the Veterans class (allows for dogs/bitches to be altered).

Shelly (never again will I bring home a boy who doesn't have BOTH in place,
if that's
my goal) & The Boys
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"Kathleen" <khhfmdelete.RemoveThis@thischarter.net> wrote in message
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> vet and I were getting nervous. Poor Zane wound up being neutered and
> "spayed". He had an incision in the scrotum, and another on his belly
> alongside his sheath. The vet said the missing testicle was located up
> next to his kidney on that side - no chance it ws ever going to come
> down.

Yep, this was Bodhi's case as well...they were both way up near the
kidneys and the surgery was quite extensive (should I say, expensive? :-)).
But, yes, she definitely needs to pull out the ol' contract & look into what
the contract calls for in way of situations like this.
Shelly & The Boys
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Shelly & The Boys said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

> From what I've read, talked to people/vets/breeders & so
> on, chances are pretty slim. I've also heard few rare
> stories of dogs that have had the second come down just
> this side of 9 mos, but that's the latest I've heard.

That's what I expected, thanks for the confirmation (Kathleed,
too).

>> Shelly: tell me more about your experiences with Bodhi in
>> CKC's altered class (I can't find anything at ckc.ca). My
>> opinion is that all titles promote the line, and that my
>> friend would do well by the breed by showing her dog even
>> when he's neutered.
>
> It wasn't a CKC event per se, but the Belgian Shepherd Club
> of Canada's. It's a "non-regular" class, so while you can
> still compete and even do well, there are no points
> involved.

I'm batting 1000. Since there's no UKC here, it looks like
conformation is out, as are breed club events (the dog is a Mudi
and the breed club is pretty small).

The main disappointment was that this is only one of two Cifra
(marbled merle) Mudis in Canada - the other one being Bing, the
Mudi I look after. Bing was due for speutering last Friday, but
he showed up today still intact. The breed club is weighing its
options. Unfortunately, Bing's owner has no interest in
conformation, so someone else will have to campaign him - I
think the two owners should just swap dogs, heh. I mean, they
look very similar and how much bonding could they have done in 4
weeks?

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From: 2dogs.DeleteThis@rocky-dog.com (Rocky)

<I think the two owners should just swap dogs,>

I see that in agility class a lot. ;-)

Debbie
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"Rocky" <2dogs.TakeThisOut@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
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> The main disappointment was that this is only one of two Cifra
> (marbled merle) Mudis in Canada - the other one being Bing, the
> Mudi I look after. Bing was due for speutering last Friday, but
> he showed up today still intact. The breed club is weighing its
> options. Unfortunately, Bing's owner has no interest in
> conformation, so someone else will have to campaign him - I
> think the two owners should just swap dogs, heh. I mean, they
> look very similar and how much bonding could they have done in 4
> weeks?

Sometimes a dog can be finished fairly quickly! Maybe Bing's owner
wouldn't mind if the other owner finished her dog for her. If she's
new to showing, possibly they could work something out where the
one person shows him in conformation, free of handler fees, but his
entries are paid by his owner--provided that the shows didn't interfere
with other sports? I don't know, I was asked to handle a friend's dog
for her because she felt she just wasn't fit enough to get around the
ring well enough to properly gait him. For me, it's a great trade-off.
She pays the fees, I get the experience & exposure. At this early
point in the game, I'll take it.
Of course, we live fairly close to each other, so it's totally do-able.
Canada is
BIG, so maybe this wouldn't work out for them.
Shelly
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Rocky <2dogs.RemoveThis@rocky-dog.com> wrote in
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> I mean, they
> look very similar and how much bonding could they have done in 4
> weeks?
>

:)

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Rocky <2dogs.TakeThisOut@rocky-dog.com> wrote:
> The main disappointment was that this is only one of two Cifra
> (marbled merle) Mudis in Canada - the other one being Bing, the
> Mudi I look after. Bing was due for speutering last Friday, but
> he showed up today still intact. The breed club is weighing its
> options. Unfortunately, Bing's owner has no interest in
> conformation, so someone else will have to campaign him - I
> think the two owners should just swap dogs, heh. I mean, they
> look very similar and how much bonding could they have done in 4
> weeks?

Matt, if you're interested there is a book out (in Hungarian,
unfortunately) that discusses all the hungarian breeds, including the
Mudi. And I think that they have a lot of photos in it. I can get more
information on it if you'd like. I'm considering purchasing it myself,
unless it's a rare or out of print book that costs more than my right
boob.

natalie


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Shelly & The Boys <snjb.RemoveThis@BADBOYSpacifier.com> wrote:
>
>From what I've read, talked to people/vets/breeders & so on, chances
>are pretty slim. I've also heard few rare stories of dogs that have
>had the second come down just this side of 9 mos, but that's the latest
>I've heard.

I heard of one dog that didn't drop the second testicle until he was
almost two. Still, most breeders won't use a dog who dropped so late
because they have a high probability of producing monorchid pups.

JFWIW,

Dianne
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"diannes" <diannes RemoveThis @bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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> Shelly & The Boys <snjb RemoveThis @BADBOYSpacifier.com> wrote:
> >
> >From what I've read, talked to people/vets/breeders & so on, chances
> >are pretty slim. I've also heard few rare stories of dogs that have
> >had the second come down just this side of 9 mos, but that's the latest
> >I've heard.
>
> I heard of one dog that didn't drop the second testicle until he was
> almost two. Still, most breeders won't use a dog who dropped so late
> because they have a high probability of producing monorchid pups.

Yep, I forgot to add that part. :-)
Except I would say "Still, most breeders in the US won't use a dog..."
I can think of one European country that will still use monorchids. ;-(

A friend had told me about a Deerhound pup she knew that never
dropped his second until he was 11 mos. old. She'd waited, waited,
waited, then made the neutering appt. She'd gone to a match, and
the 'judge' went over her boy and she made a comment about not
finding both, and the judge said, "Well, they are both there right now!"
She hadn't checked in weeks, so she didn't know the second had dropped!
(Apparently, he was hairy enough to not notice! FWIW, even if either of
my guys had them, you wouldn't see them unless they were sprawled out
because their britches are so thick that you'd never notice!)
Shelly & The Boys
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