Logic insists farmers cause them

"rick etter" <retterstop.DeleteThis@bright.net> wrote in message news:T7-dnURsbbjiiTCiRVn-uw@bright.net...
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> > "Bill" <BillC.DeleteThis@kenstarr.not> wrote in message news:OhPqb.994$6c3.129@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > > Derek wrote:
> > > > "Bill" <BillC.DeleteThis@kenstarr.not> wrote in message news:9wAqb.698$nz.286@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > > >>Derek wrote:
> > > >>>"Bill" <BillC.DeleteThis@kenstarr.not> wrote in message news:VIzqb.408$6c3.258@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > > >>>>Derek wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>Logic insists farmers cause them,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>1) If autonomous farmers kill animals, then they are
> > > >>> responsible for their deaths.
> > > >>>2) Autonomous farmers do kill animals
> > > >>>therefore
> > > >>>3) they are responsible for their deaths.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>What could be simpler?
> > > >>
> > > >>That you are complicit in the deaths, and share moral
> > > >>responsibility for them.
> > > >
> > > > Only according to buck-passing miscreants.
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> > Yes. You are passing the buck from the culprit who
> > causes them to the ethical vegan who doesn't in order
> > to make him complicit in something he isn't involved in.
> > Shame on you.
> =====================
> Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that
> you know causes death and suffering despite being able
> to make other choices. makes you complicit, hypocrite.

I don't know that my actions (buying food) will cause
the deaths of animals, and if I honestly believed they
did cause deaths, then I wouldn't continue buying food.
The hypocrites are those who believe their actions do
cause deaths while at the same time claiming their
victims have a right against them not to be their victims.
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"Derek" <dereknash.DeleteThis@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> > > > Derek wrote:
> > > > > "Bill" <BillC.DeleteThis@kenstarr.not> wrote in message
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> > > > >>Derek wrote:
> > > > >>>"Bill" <BillC.DeleteThis@kenstarr.not> wrote in message
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> > > > >>>>Derek wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>>Logic insists farmers cause them,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>1) If autonomous farmers kill animals, then they are
> > > > >>> responsible for their deaths.
> > > > >>>2) Autonomous farmers do kill animals
> > > > >>>therefore
> > > > >>>3) they are responsible for their deaths.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>What could be simpler?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>That you are complicit in the deaths, and share moral
> > > > >>responsibility for them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Only according to buck-passing miscreants.
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > >
> > > Yes. You are passing the buck from the culprit who
> > > causes them to the ethical vegan who doesn't in order
> > > to make him complicit in something he isn't involved in.
> > > Shame on you.
> > =====================
> > Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that
> > you know causes death and suffering despite being able
> > to make other choices. makes you complicit, hypocrite.
>
> I don't know that my actions (buying food) will cause
> the deaths of animals, and if I honestly believed they
> did cause deaths, then I wouldn't continue buying food.
=======================
Liar, you know they do. You just can't help youraself from being the
ignorant hypocrite that you are.


> The hypocrites are those who believe their actions do
> cause deaths while at the same time claiming their
> victims have a right against them not to be their victims.
> ==================
Which is you, exactly, killer.

>
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Jonathan Ball, thinking he's fooling everyone by
alternating between half a dozen different posters
wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>Logic insists farmers cause them,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>1) If autonomous farmers kill animals, then they are
> >>>>> responsible for their deaths.
> >>>>>2) Autonomous farmers do kill animals
> >>>>>therefore
> >>>>>3) they are responsible for their deaths.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What could be simpler?
> >>>>
> >>>>That you are complicit in the deaths, and share moral
> >>>>responsibility for them.
> >>>
> >>>Only according to buck-passing miscreants.
> >>
> >>No.
> >
> > Yes.
>
> No, Dreck/"jane"/"ipse dixit". Logic dictates that you
> are the buck-passing miscreant.
>
Then show that logic in proper form loser.
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Dreck/Jane/Immoralist/Ipse dixit/et al wrote:
> Then show that logic in proper form loser.

It's been done for you too many times repeatedly, you filthy moron. What
will pointing out your flaws one more time change? Not a thing because
you're thoroughly benighted and incorrigible.
 >> Stay informed about: Logic insists farmers cause them 

"usual suspect" <who RemoveThis @where.how> wrote in message news:Yqbrb.22117$Mc.21194@twister.austin.rr.com...
> Dreck/Jane/Immoralist/Ipse dixit/et al wrote:
> > Then show that logic in proper form loser.
>
> It's been done for you too many times repeatedly

That's a lie.
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Derek wrote:

> "usual suspect" <who.RemoveThis@where.how> wrote in message news:Yqbrb.22117$Mc.21194@twister.austin.rr.com...
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>>Dreck/Jane/Immoralist/Ipse dixit/et al wrote:
>>
>>>Then show that logic in proper form loser.
>>
>>It's been done for you too many times repeatedly
>
>
> That's a lie.

It's not. It's been so many times, you've lost track.
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Dreck/Jane/Immoralist/Ipse dixit/et al wrote:
>>>Then show that logic in proper form loser.
>>
>>It's been done for you too many times repeatedly
>
> That's a lie.

No. You've been proven a hypocrite, charlatan, and rank poseur time and
time again. What will pointing out your flaws one more time change? Not
a thing because you're thoroughly benighted and incorrigible.
 >> Stay informed about: Logic insists farmers cause them 

"rick etter" <retterstop.DeleteThis@bright.net> wrote in message news:68KdnX5PpZxU9DCiRVn-gQ@bright.net...
> "Derek" <dereknash.DeleteThis@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:boj52i$1e1q68$1@ID-190488.news.uni-berlin.de...
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> > > > > Derek wrote:
> > > > > > "Bill" <BillC.DeleteThis@kenstarr.not> wrote in message news:9wAqb.698$nz.286@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > > > > >>Derek wrote:
> > > > > >>>"Bill" <BillC.DeleteThis@kenstarr.not> wrote in message news:VIzqb.408$6c3.258@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > > > > >>>>Derek wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>>>Logic insists farmers cause them,
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>1) If autonomous farmers kill animals, then they are
> > > > > >>> responsible for their deaths.
> > > > > >>>2) Autonomous farmers do kill animals
> > > > > >>>therefore
> > > > > >>>3) they are responsible for their deaths.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>What could be simpler?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>That you are complicit in the deaths, and share moral
> > > > > >>responsibility for them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Only according to buck-passing miscreants.
> > > > >
> > > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > Yes. You are passing the buck from the culprit who
> > > > causes them to the ethical vegan who doesn't in order
> > > > to make him complicit in something he isn't involved in.
> > > > Shame on you.
> > > =====================
> > > Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that
> > > you know causes death and suffering despite being able
> > > to make other choices. makes you complicit, hypocrite.
> >
> > I don't know that my actions (buying food) will cause
> > the deaths of animals, and if I honestly believed they
> > did cause deaths, then I wouldn't continue buying food.
> =======================
> Liar, you know they do.

Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
deaths while producing them, so to claim all goods have a
history of CD is specious. If, however, goods are bought
carrying a known history of collateral deaths, the superior
ethical vegans like myself will return them and ask for our
money back.
>
> > The hypocrites are those who believe their actions do
> > cause deaths while at the same time claiming their
> > victims have a right against them not to be their victims.
> > ==================
> Which is you, exactly, killer.
>
No, it is not, because I don't believe my actions cause
them.
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"Ipse dixit" <nospam RemoveThis @email.com> wrote in message
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> "rick etter" <retterstop RemoveThis @bright.net> wrote in message
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snippage...

> > > > Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that
> > > > you know causes death and suffering despite being able
> > > > to make other choices. makes you complicit, hypocrite.
> > >
> > > I don't know that my actions (buying food) will cause
> > > the deaths of animals, and if I honestly believed they
> > > did cause deaths, then I wouldn't continue buying food.
> > =======================
> > Liar, you know they do.
>
> Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> deaths while producing them, so to claim all goods have a
> history of CD is specious.
=======================
there are *NO* 'superior ethical vegans' here on usenet you ignorant dolt.
A true vegan wouldn't be here contributing to massive numbers of animal
deaths just for their entertainment and pleasure. Here you are,
contributing to massive amounts of truly unnecessary animal death and
suffering, and you neither care nor plan to quit. Your 'ethics' are as
false as your religion, killer.


If, however, goods are bought
> carrying a known history of collateral deaths, the superior
> ethical vegans like myself will return them and ask for our
> money back.
======================
No you don't. your constant posting to usenet proves that you care not one
iota about unnecessary animal
death and suffering. And this is just for your selfish entertainment, not
survival. So, you're a liar. Nothing new about that
though, is there, hypocrite?


> >
> > > The hypocrites are those who believe their actions do
> > > cause deaths while at the same time claiming their
> > > victims have a right against them not to be their victims.
> > > ==================
> > Which is you, exactly, killer.
> >
> No, it is not, because I don't believe my actions cause
> them.
=========================
delusional drug abuse talking now, killer. You know you do, we know you do.
You're just too ignorant, too delusion, too hypocritical to accept it.

>
>
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Derek Nash, pretending to be some else wrote

> Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> deaths while producing them

So now there are "classes" of vegans, "regular", "superior", any others? And
to be a "superior" class vegan one only has to purchase food that "may or
may not" have animal deaths associated with them? What are the standards for
a regular vegan?
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"rick etter" <retterstop RemoveThis @bright.net> wrote in message news:TtGdnSmlsalAzzOiRVn-tw@bright.net...
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> "Ipse dixit" <nospam RemoveThis @email.com> wrote in message
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> > "rick etter" <retterstop RemoveThis @bright.net> wrote in message
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> snippage...
>
> > > > > Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that
> > > > > you know causes death and suffering despite being able
> > > > > to make other choices. makes you complicit, hypocrite.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know that my actions (buying food) will cause
> > > > the deaths of animals, and if I honestly believed they
> > > > did cause deaths, then I wouldn't continue buying food.
> > > =======================
> > > Liar, you know they do.
> >
> > Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> > suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> > deaths while producing them, so to claim all goods have a
> > history of CD is specious.
> =======================
> there are *NO* 'superior ethical vegans' here on usenet you ignorant dolt.

You've just replied to one.
>
> > If, however, goods are bought
> > carrying a known history of collateral deaths, the superior
> > ethical vegans like myself will return them and ask for our
> > money back.
> ======================
> No you don't.

Yes, I would.
> > >
> > > > The hypocrites are those who believe their actions do
> > > > cause deaths while at the same time claiming their
> > > > victims have a right against them not to be their victims.
> > > > ==================
> > > Which is you, exactly, killer.
> > >
> > No, it is not, because I don't believe my actions cause
> > them.
> =========================
> delusional drug abuse talking now, killer.

Ad hominem.
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> > "Ipse dixit" <nospam.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote in message
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> > > "rick etter" <retterstop.RemoveThis@bright.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > snippage...
> >
> > > > > > Nope, the shame is all yours for choosing actions that
> > > > > > you know causes death and suffering despite being able
> > > > > > to make other choices. makes you complicit, hypocrite.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know that my actions (buying food) will cause
> > > > > the deaths of animals, and if I honestly believed they
> > > > > did cause deaths, then I wouldn't continue buying food.
> > > > =======================
> > > > Liar, you know they do.
> > >
> > > Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> > > suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> > > deaths while producing them, so to claim all goods have a
> > > history of CD is specious.
> > =======================
> > there are *NO* 'superior ethical vegans' here on usenet you ignorant
dolt.
>
> You've just replied to one.
=====================
ROTFLMAO!! that's a good one, killer. Got another whopper like that? Oh
yeah, that's all you have, lys.


> >
> > > If, however, goods are bought
> > > carrying a known history of collateral deaths, the superior
> > > ethical vegans like myself will return them and ask for our
> > > money back.
> > ======================
> > No you don't.
>
> Yes, I would.
=================
No, you don't. You prove you don't care about unnecessary animal death and
suffering.



> > > >
> > > > > The hypocrites are those who believe their actions do
> > > > > cause deaths while at the same time claiming their
> > > > > victims have a right against them not to be their victims.
> > > > > ==================
> > > > Which is you, exactly, killer.
> > > >
> > > No, it is not, because I don't believe my actions cause
> > > them.
> > =========================
> > delusional drug abuse talking now, killer.
>
> Ad hominem.
==============
Truth hurts, eh hypocrite?


>
>
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"Dutch" <no RemoveThis @email.com> wrote in message news:vqt4n1j79pf565@news.supernews.com...
> "Ipse dixit" wrote:
>
> > Superior ethical vegans buy their food and goods from
> > suppliers which may or may not have accrued collateral
> > deaths while producing them
>
> So now there are "classes" of vegans, "regular", "superior", any others?

No. All ethical vegans are superior, especially me.
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