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Guido

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:17 am
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I'm new to this particular forum but I've had pigeons as pets for about
5 years We don't race these birds. I recently had something peculiar
happen and was wondering if someone might be able to provide an answer.

We will on occasion leave the door open to the loft and let the pigeons
out if they choose. Many times they don't even come out but will from
time to time. About a week ago on of our pairs came out and circled a
couple of times with the female landing on the roof of the loft (a
converted garage). The male, who would normally land with the female,
circled one more time and headed north. Haven't seen him since. We've
watched every day and no sign of him.

This male was born and raised in our loft. He's had no other home.
What would make him just take off after 2-1/2 years? None of our other
birds have ever done anything like this.

Thanks in advance.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:38 am
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Guido wrote:
> I'm new to this particular forum but I've had pigeons as pets for about
> 5 years We don't race these birds. I recently had something peculiar
> happen and was wondering if someone might be able to provide an answer.
>
> We will on occasion leave the door open to the loft and let the pigeons
> out if they choose. Many times they don't even come out but will from
> time to time. About a week ago on of our pairs came out and circled a
> couple of times with the female landing on the roof of the loft (a
> converted garage). The male, who would normally land with the female,
> circled one more time and headed north. Haven't seen him since. We've
> watched every day and no sign of him.
>
> This male was born and raised in our loft. He's had no other home.
> What would make him just take off after 2-1/2 years? None of our other
> birds have ever done anything like this.
>
> Thanks in advance.

Hello Guido,
with pigeons, everyday can be an adventure! lol!
A few questions. What breed of pigeon? Not that that would really
matter in them homing to
the loft,......it's just that racers are better at it than most.
You stated that you occasionally let them come out and free-loft. But
do you "fly" them on a regular basis?
Either way, whether you fly them, or just let them occasionally come
out on their own, they need to be
trap-trained as squeekers, or even as re-homed prisoners. This is
usually done with an all-wire cage that fits
over the trap and part of the loft roof. I usually do not use a wire
cage for squeekers, as they cannot fly yet.
But I always use a wire cage for late hatches, and new birds.
Late-hatches are birds that were born too late
in the season to fly out. (Meaning they were born when hawk season
started. I lock my birds down for the
winter here in PA. and have to wait until the hawks leave in the spring
to fly them.)
Late hatches, or birds that are adults, but have never flown, are very
strong on the wing, and also have not
experienced landing, or landing on the loft. (Easier for them to go up
than come down.) The wire cage allows
them to become acclimated to their immediate surroundings, and makes
them feel secure on the loft roof,
which should be the only place they are willing to land.
This works in homing at least 90% of my birds. But I have had birds get
lost that WERE trap-trained. I have
had other birds thet were NOT trap-trained, but homed anyway. I have
also had birds that were homed, flying
them out for a few years, then all of a sudden, one day, did not
return. If your bird was anything like the latter,
my first assumption would be that he got caught by a predator. And
sometimes, they don't have to be caught.
Just chased off to parts unknown.
Also, diet can play a big part in how your birds fly. Birds that eat
too many peas and/or corn can sky-out on
you. (Fly too high.) This high flying can get them caught in
hi-barometer thermals, or they can catch the bottoms
of jet streams and get blown many miles from home. (This is where breed
can matter. I raise Birmingham rollers.
This breed can have problems making it back if they are blown into an
area they do not recognize. I believe
this is much less a problem with racers and homers.)
The way pigeon flyers/breeders control their birds is with feed. You
trap-train AND fly your birds hungry.Not only
does this cause the birds to fly on the edge of their performance
ability, but also allows you to call the birds
in when you are ready. Most, will not be able to get a non-hungry bird
to trap until the BIRD feels like trapping,
or when dusk comes. You will not have control over free-lofted birds.
But either way, i would assume a predator first in the loss of the
bird. Check your area for coopers, sharpies,
and gos hawks. Sometimes, just scanning the skies when it warms up is
enough to spot one. But for me, it
usually takes me observing my birds. I just sit in front of the loft,
and when I see my birds stand straight up
looking hard at something, I just look where they are looking and
almost always spot the hawks.
Good luck,
E-Man

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:03 am
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ef29.TakeThisOut@drexel.edu wrote:
> Guido wrote:
> > I'm new to this particular forum but I've had pigeons as pets for about
> > 5 years We don't race these birds. I recently had something peculiar
> > happen and was wondering if someone might be able to provide an answer.
> >
> > We will on occasion leave the door open to the loft and let the pigeons
> > out if they choose. Many times they don't even come out but will from
> > time to time. About a week ago on of our pairs came out and circled a
> > couple of times with the female landing on the roof of the loft (a
> > converted garage). The male, who would normally land with the female,
> > circled one more time and headed north. Haven't seen him since. We've
> > watched every day and no sign of him.
> >
> > This male was born and raised in our loft. He's had no other home.
> > What would make him just take off after 2-1/2 years? None of our other
> > birds have ever done anything like this.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> Hello Guido,
> with pigeons, everyday can be an adventure! lol!
> A few questions. What breed of pigeon? Not that that would really
> matter in them homing to
> the loft,......it's just that racers are better at it than most.
> You stated that you occasionally let them come out and free-loft. But
> do you "fly" them on a regular basis?
> Either way, whether you fly them, or just let them occasionally come
> out on their own, they need to be
> trap-trained as squeekers, or even as re-homed prisoners. This is
> usually done with an all-wire cage that fits
> over the trap and part of the loft roof. I usually do not use a wire
> cage for squeekers, as they cannot fly yet.
> But I always use a wire cage for late hatches, and new birds.
> Late-hatches are birds that were born too late
> in the season to fly out. (Meaning they were born when hawk season
> started. I lock my birds down for the
> winter here in PA. and have to wait until the hawks leave in the spring
> to fly them.)
> Late hatches, or birds that are adults, but have never flown, are very
> strong on the wing, and also have not
> experienced landing, or landing on the loft. (Easier for them to go up
> than come down.) The wire cage allows
> them to become acclimated to their immediate surroundings, and makes
> them feel secure on the loft roof,
> which should be the only place they are willing to land.
> This works in homing at least 90% of my birds. But I have had birds get
> lost that WERE trap-trained. I have
> had other birds thet were NOT trap-trained, but homed anyway. I have
> also had birds that were homed, flying
> them out for a few years, then all of a sudden, one day, did not
> return. If your bird was anything like the latter,
> my first assumption would be that he got caught by a predator. And
> sometimes, they don't have to be caught.
> Just chased off to parts unknown.
> Also, diet can play a big part in how your birds fly. Birds that eat
> too many peas and/or corn can sky-out on
> you. (Fly too high.) This high flying can get them caught in
> hi-barometer thermals, or they can catch the bottoms
> of jet streams and get blown many miles from home. (This is where breed
> can matter. I raise Birmingham rollers.
> This breed can have problems making it back if they are blown into an
> area they do not recognize. I believe
> this is much less a problem with racers and homers.)
> The way pigeon flyers/breeders control their birds is with feed. You
> trap-train AND fly your birds hungry.Not only
> does this cause the birds to fly on the edge of their performance
> ability, but also allows you to call the birds
> in when you are ready. Most, will not be able to get a non-hungry bird
> to trap until the BIRD feels like trapping,
> or when dusk comes. You will not have control over free-lofted birds.
> But either way, i would assume a predator first in the loss of the
> bird. Check your area for coopers, sharpies,
> and gos hawks. Sometimes, just scanning the skies when it warms up is
> enough to spot one. But for me, it
> usually takes me observing my birds. I just sit in front of the loft,
> and when I see my birds stand straight up
> looking hard at something, I just look where they are looking and
> almost always spot the hawks.
> Good luck,
> E-Man

E-Man,

Thanks for the response. Actually, I have no idea what breed they are.
The first one we received was a still mostly naked baby that had been
attacked by others in their coop. The owner, my wife's sister, asked
us if we would want to try and nurse him back to health as she didn't
have the time. When we got him, his scalp was torn off and hanging
over one eye. We cleaned the area, put antibiotics on the wound and
taped him up. Kept him on liquid antibiotics for about 2 weeks and
today he's as good as new. He is white with only a trace of black on
his tail and throat.

We then got him an all white mate when a family we know lost their male
and felt she needed a mate. They produced 2 offspring, one male, one
female. It's the male that took off. He was mated to an all white
wedding release bird that we obtained from a local feed store. She had
been hanging around so they were able to capture her and we ended up
with her. I contacted the owner (from band info) and ended up
purchasing the bird from him.

So that's the story. There were no hawks in sight that day (at least
flying), so nothing really to scare him away. My wife had been
watching them fly and she said there was nothing in the area, he just
took off. As I mentioned E-Man, these are strictly pets. We just
enjoy them. They have a 20' X 20' loft so they get plenty of exercise.
I just thought it was strange for a bird that was born in the loft to
leave it.

Thanks again for your help.

Guido
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:37 am
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Yo Guido,
if these birds are approximately the same size, I wouldn't doubt that
they are all
racers or homers. (A wedding-release bird is also a racer.) Racers have
a tendency to range
around the neighborhood, rather than just circle the house. (Like my
rollers.)

I have had many times where birds were caught or scared by raptors, but
I never saw it.
But if I see any of my birds take off and fly like a bat-outta-hell,
this is the ONLY reason they will do so.
Depending on where you are located, winter is prime hawk season. And
the hawks do not make their
presense obvious. NONE of my neighbors were even aware of any hawks in
our area, although they have
all grown up here. My neighbors were always curious about why I would
stand in the middle of our street,
and rotate in a circle while looking up. They thought I was quite mad,
until I pointed out that I was watching
my birds. They didn't even know I had birds until I pointed them out in
the sky. (I had already been flying them for years! LOL!) Then I would
ask them to look when my birds were being attacked, and they were
shocked!
Almost all told me "I never knew we had hawks around here!" So they are
not easy to spot unless you know
how to look for them.
But it is not unheard of for a bird to just up and leave. Sometimes
they follow a female, and get trapped in at
that birds loft. (Ever stray-in someone elses bird, or ferals?)
Anyway, if your going to fly them, they need to be trained to their
surroundings. All that it requires is putting
them in a wire cage on the loft roof or in the yard for several days.
He still might come back, also.%^)
Good luck,
E-Man
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