Welcome to PetForumz.com!
FAQFAQ   SearchSearch      ProfileProfile    Private MessagesPrivate Messages   Log in/Register/PasswordLog in/Register/Password

Horses / AWHPC Action Alert

 
   Pet Problems (Home) -> Animals Rights RSS
Related Topics:
Mad Science Awards: August 2003 the joy of animal abuse, h.. - This was found on the brilliant Animal Aid website and covers animal abuse once again, animal abuse. see Mad Science Awards: August 2003 They don't SPARE THE HORSES Animal Aid's 2003 Mad Science..

Wild mustangs to be moved - Herd of Wild Horses Gets in Wa.. - Monday, September 13, 2004 Drilling to oust wild horses By Nancy Lofholm Denver Post Staff Writer BLM says grazing area in N.W. Colo. can't sustain herd. call the federal plan and say it does not bode..

Alert : Terrorists hide bombs in animals - This is extremely because they will use cats, dogs, rats, flies and birds for this. Just imagine a swarm of attacking a city, all of them full with This is extremely dangerous and we must report it to the CIA and..
Next:  Animals Rights: virtue NEVER is established by making a comparison with ot..  
Author Message
pearl

External


Since: Jul 01, 2003
Posts: 632



(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:18 pm
Post subject: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert
Archived from groups: alt>animals>ethics>vegetarian, others (more info?)

CROSS POSTING APPRECIATED ...

----- Original Message -----
From: AWHPC
To: info DeleteThis @wildhorsepreservation.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:53 PM
Subject: AWHPC Action Alert

Dear wild horse supporters:

While we ALL keep pushing for and await passage of the
House/Senate bills, H.R. 297/S. 576, we need to urge the
BLM/Dept. of Interior to implement some formal rules
regulating the sale of the horses now subject to the Burns
Amendment.

We are part of a coalition that filed a formal petition for
rulemaking for just this purpose about three weeks ago.
We did this because the horses ARE being sold. While
we hope to stop this, and pass the bills, we need these
rules as part of our practical plan to help the horses being
sold now. Regulations would set specific standards on
how to accurately determine a horse's age, what constitutes
"offered for adoption three times," how the sales and
transportation should take place, and other rules to ensure
humane treatment of the Burns horses, all contained in the
petition for rulemaking.

The agency contacts are below. We need your short letters
urging that the regulations be promulgated to go out as soon
as possible (with a copy to your U.S. Representative/Senators).
For more suggestions on how to help, please visit the Take
Action page on www.wildhorsepreservation.com.

Gale Norton, Secretary of Interior
Department of the Interior
1849 C Street, N.W.
Washington DC 20240
Phone: 202-208-3100
gale_norton DeleteThis @ios.doi.gov

Kathleen Clarke, Director of the BLM
Office of Public Affairs
1849 C Street, Room 406-LS
Washington, DC 20240
Phone: (202) 452-5125
Fax: (202) 452-5124
woinfo DeleteThis @blm.gov

Jeff Rawson
Director of the Wild Horse and Burro Program in D.C.
Jeff_Rawson DeleteThis @blm.gov

On behalf of the horses, thank you for your support.

The AWHPC Team

American Wild Horse Preservation Campaign

www.wildhorsepreservation.com

'An aggressive wild horse removal campaign is currently under
way by the U.S. government, at the cost of millions of taxpayer
dollars. The Bureau of Land Management's (BLM) removal
policy is contrary to the spirit of the 1971 Wild Free-Roaming
Horse and Burro Act. The Act was the result of an unprecedented
public outcry and unquestionably reflects the will of the American
people; its intent was to preserve wild horses and burros as part
of our national heritage.

Over the past 30 years, under pressure from special interest
groups and in blatant disregard of the public's wishes, the BLM
has systematically favored subsidized livestock grazing on public
lands to the detriment of wild horse populations. The Burns
Amendment was the last nail in the coffin of federal wild horse
protection, opening the door to the slaughter of thousands of
these living symbols of our Nation's spirit.

We are calling for a Congressional review of the government's
wild horse management policies and coordinating a grassroots
campaign in support of H.R. 297 and S. 576, which would
restore the prohibition on the commercial sale and slaughter of
wild horses and burros.

In addition to supporting H.R. 297 and S. 576, our goal is to obtain:

*the review of scientific findings that contradict BLM's claims of
wild horse overpopulation and negative impact on the range;
*a moratorium on round-ups until actual numbers of wild horses
and burros on public lands have been independently assessed; and
*implementation of in-the-wild management, which would save
millions of tax-dollars.

Please take action now.

www.wildhorsepreservation.com

 >> Stay informed about: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert 
Back to top
Login to vote
Roberta Hatch

External


Since: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 5



(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:18 pm
Post subject: Re: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

pearl <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:

>CROSS POSTING APPRECIATED ...

Spammer.

>American Wild Horse Preservation Campaign

>www.wildhorsepreservation.com

>'An aggressive wild horse removal campaign is currently under
>way by the U.S. government, at the cost of millions of taxpayer
>dollars. The Bureau of Land Management's (BLM) removal policy is
>ontrary to the spirit of the 1971 Wild Free-Roaming>Horse and
>Burro Act. <blah, blah, blah>

>Please take action now.

Considering the *fact* that horses are not native to the New
World, allowing them to run wild and calling it part of our national
heritage is like preserving feral dog and cat populations for the same
reason.

Goddamn morons.

FollowupTo set...


Bobbi

---
Roberta Hatch '65 Panhead
Dykes on Bikes, San Francisco, CA (This space for rent)

 >> Stay informed about: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert 
Back to top
Login to vote
Roberta Hatch

External


Since: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 5



(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

pearl <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.DeleteThis@luhar.net> wrote in message
>news:d2v5j9$k5u$1@blue.rahul.net...
>> pearl <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:

>native:

>> >3. An animal or plant that originated in a particular place or region.

>> Unless you can provide proof that modern horses originated in
>> the New World, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>'Pliohippus

>Late Miocene Epoch - 12 Million Years Ago

>Fossils of Pliohippus are found at many late Miocene localities in Colorado,
>the Great Plains of the US (Nebraska and the Dakotas) and Canada.
>Species in this genus lived from 12-6 million years ago. In the late Miocene
>Epoch, one branch of horses crossed into Asia and quickly multiplied and
>spread to Europe. Meanwhile in North America, the horse developed into
>the final model. The pliohippus was the first true monodactyl (one-toed animal)
>of evolutionary history. Pliohippus had increasing need for speed to outrun its
>enemies, so the hoof evolved from the continued over-development of its
>middle toe. Its denture and extremities were the nearest approach to our
>present-day horses. ... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^

>**ALL** horses have their **origin** in North America. No matter
>the lines or breeds wherever, it's the same species- a horse is a horse!

No proof that mordern horses originated in the New World. In
fact just the opposite. Don't you even bother to read what you post?
It's obvious that you don't read what you respond to, since I wrote
"modern horses." I suggest you read what you posted, until you're able
to understand the words.

The horse of the New World is extinct (when are you going to look
up that word)? It's been extict for thousands or years. They no longer
exist {Which, by the way, that's what extinct means).

The horses running wild in the New World are descended from modern,
domesticated horses. Not an animal with its denture and extremities that
were the "nearest approach" to our present-day horses.

Hell, by your way of thinking, the zebra is a 'native' of the
New World becuase it's descended from the same animal.

Do you also advocate herds of zebra running wild in America?
Hell, why not! As I recall, the original article you posted mentioned
burros too. After all, "a horse is a horse," right?

Bobbi

---
Roberta Hatch '65 Panhead
Dykes on Bikes, San Francisco, CA (This space for rent)
 >> Stay informed about: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert 
Back to top
Login to vote
Roberta Hatch

External


Since: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 5



(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 3:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

pearl <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.RemoveThis@luhar.net> wrote:
>> pearl <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>>>"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.RemoveThis@luhar.net> wrote:
>> >> pearl <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:

>> >native:

>>>>>3. An animal or plant that originated in a particular place or region.

>>>> Unless you can provide proof that modern horses **originated** in
>>>> the New World, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> or·i·gin ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôr-jn, r-)
>n.
>1. The point at which something comes into existence or from which it
>derives or is derived.

That's nice. Now look up the word context, like I asked you
to do. The modern horses did not originate in the New World, just
like zebras didn't.

>>>'Pliohippus

>> >Late Miocene Epoch - 12 Million Years Ago

>> >enemies, so the hoof evolved from the continued over-development of its
>> >middle toe. Its denture and extremities were the nearest approach to our
>> >present-day horses. ... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^

>>>**ALL** horses have their **origin** in North America. No matter
>>>the lines or breeds wherever, it's the same species- a horse is a horse!

>> No proof that mordern horses originated in the New World.

> or·i·gin ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôr-jn, r-)

>1. The point at which something comes into existence or from which it
>derives or is derived.

Which would include the zebra. Are you going to claim that
zebra are native to the New World too?

>On yer bike..

You'd do well to cut your loses and admit that you're wrong.
Or, are you going to continue to wave your ignorance around for the
entire planet to laugh at?

Bobbi

---
Roberta Hatch '65 Panhead
Dykes on Bikes, San Francisco, CA (This space for rent)
 >> Stay informed about: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert 
Back to top
Login to vote
pearl

External


Since: Jul 01, 2003
Posts: 632



(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.DeleteThis@luhar.net> wrote in message news:d33iqa$huq$2@blue.rahul.net...
> pearl <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> >"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.DeleteThis@luhar.net> wrote:
> >> pearl <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> >>>"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.DeleteThis@luhar.net> wrote:
> >> >> pearl <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>
> >> >native:
>
> >>>>>3. An animal or plant that originated in a particular place or region.
>
> >>>> Unless you can provide proof that modern horses **originated** in
> >>>> the New World, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> > or·i·gin ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôr-jn, r-)
> >n.
> >1. The point at which something comes into existence or from which it
> >derives or is derived.
>
> That's nice. Now look up the word context, like I asked you
> to do. The modern horses did not originate in the New World, just
> like zebras didn't.

Equus originates from N. America, including the ancestors of zebra.

Equus is native to N. America. Period.
 >> Stay informed about: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert 
Back to top
Login to vote
zolota

External


Since: Feb 26, 2005
Posts: 5



(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 8:16 am
Post subject: Re: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
news:d30aa3$voe$1@reader01.news.esat.net...

>
> **ALL** horses have their **origin** in North America. No matter
> the lines or breeds wherever, it's the same species- a horse is a horse!
>


a.. Equus przewalski, Equus tarpanus, Equus robustus, Equus agillis are the
same breed? surely you jest.
Z
 >> Stay informed about: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert 
Back to top
Login to vote
dh

External


Since: Apr 03, 2005
Posts: 409



(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:18:50 +0100, "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:

>On behalf of the horses, thank you for your support.

According to the Gonad, no wild horses benefit from
being wild horses.
 >> Stay informed about: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert 
Back to top
Login to vote
Roberta Hatch

External


Since: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 5



(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

pearl <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.TakeThisOut@luhar.net> wrote:
>> pearl <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>>>"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.TakeThisOut@luhar.net> wrote:
>>>> pearl <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>>>>>"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.TakeThisOut@luhar.net> wrote:
>>>>>> pearl <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote:

>>>> >native:

>>>>>>>3. An animal or plant that originated in a particular place or region.

>>>>>> Unless you can provide proof that modern horses **originated** in
>>>>>> the New World, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>> That's nice. Now look up the word context, like I asked you
>> to do. The modern horses did not originate in the New World, just
>> like zebras didn't.

>Equus originates from N. America, including the ancestors of zebra.

>Equus is native to N. America. Period.

I see. So, you're telling the collective readerships that
zebra (Equus burchelli, E. grevyi and E. zebra) are all native to
North America (Period).

For some strange reason, I have the feeling that you're a
minority of one on this planet.

Bobbi

---
Roberta Hatch '65 Panhead
Dykes on Bikes, San Francisco, CA (This space for rent)
 >> Stay informed about: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert 
Back to top
Login to vote
zolota

External


Since: Feb 26, 2005
Posts: 5



(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
news:d30aa3$voe$1@reader01.news.esat.net...

>
> **ALL** horses have their **origin** in North America. No matter
> the lines or breeds wherever, it's the same species- a horse is a horse!
>


a.. Equus przewalski, Equus tarpanus, Equus robustus, Equus agillis are the
same breed? surely you jest.
Z
 >> Stay informed about: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert 
Back to top
Login to vote
user

External


Since: Apr 10, 2005
Posts: 1



(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:23 am
Post subject: Re: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

No wild horses benefit from being wild horses. They do
benefit from my anal penetration of them.
 >> Stay informed about: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert 
Back to top
Login to vote
Roberta Hatch

External


Since: Apr 04, 2005
Posts: 5



(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:27 pm
Post subject: Re: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

pearl <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.RemoveThis@luhar.net> wrote:
>> pearl <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>>>"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.RemoveThis@luhar.net> wrote:
>>>> pearl <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>>>>>"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.RemoveThis@luhar.net> wrote:
>>>>>> pearl <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>>>>>>>"Roberta Hatch" <bhatch.RemoveThis@luhar.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> pearl <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote:

>>>>>> >native:

>>>>>>>>>3. An animal or plant that originated in a particular place or region.

>>>>>>>> Unless you can provide proof that modern horses **originated** in
>>>>>>>> the New World, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>>> That's nice. Now look up the word context, like I asked you
>>>> to do. The modern horses did not originate in the New World, just
>>>> like zebras didn't.

>>>Equus originates from N. America, including the ancestors of zebra.

>>>Equus is native to N. America. Period.

>> I see. So, you're telling the collective readerships that
>> zebra (Equus burchelli, E. grevyi and E. zebra) are all native to
>> North America (Period).

>The definition I was basing that upon omits a key element (2);

>'The key element in describing an animal as a native species is
>(1) where it originated; and (2) whether or not it co-evolved with
>its habitat. Clearly, E. caballus did both, here in North America.

E. caballus is not from North America. E. Lambei was. E. Lambei
was about the size of donkey, not the size of a modern horse and not from
the lower forty eight. I would have thought that since you're such an
expert of the matter, you would have known that its common name is "Yukon
horse" and known that it got that name for a reason.

www.beringia.com/02/02maina14.html
www.acnatsci.org/museum/ jefferson/otherFossils/equus.html

You are the one that posted a URL that claimed that E. lambei was
the "closest" to the modern horse. In other words, it wasn't a modern horse,
it was only close. And, E. caballus did *not* co-evolve with the habitat
of N. America (especially the lower forty eight).

When you were called on that, you dug around to find a URL that
would prop up your lame argument (almost as if a URL is the end-all to
an argument just because it's a URL). In other words, you've been posting
URLs that confict with each other and with what you've said.

And, I don't care what you based your definition on, you said
"Equus is native to N. America. Period." That was after it was pointed
out to you that zeba are Equus too. How much backpedaling are you going
to do?

Bobbi

---
Roberta Hatch '65 Panhead
Dykes on Bikes, San Francisco, CA (This space for rent)
 >> Stay informed about: Horses / AWHPC Action Alert 
Back to top
Login to vote
Display posts from previous:   
   Pet Problems (Home) -> Animals Rights All times are: Pacific Time (US & Canada) (change)
Page 1 of 1

 
You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You can edit your posts in this forum
You can delete your posts in this forum
You can vote in polls in this forum



[ Contact us | Terms of Service/Privacy Policy ]