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Since: Apr 03, 2005 Posts: 409
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:45 pm
Post subject: Helping ducklings to experience life... Archived from groups: alt>animals>ethics>vegetarian, others (more info?)
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A duck is setting on a nest which she made on the float
at the end of a finger on a dock where I have a boat. When
I noticed her there I knew I'd be taking the boat in and out,
and it would scare her off the nest. So I got some black
plastic and made a blind to close off my inside of the finger
so she couldn't see out and get scared, and dropped it
in place one of the first nights she started to set. It scared
her off then, but she came right back and the blind has
kept her from getting off several times since then.
Why? The baby ducks won't last a month. Some will die
in the first day or two. The mother ducks are followed by
groups of large carp who can eat day or two old ducks,
and apparently attacked by other things since I only saw
two of the many last year live long enough to grow much
feather. It might have been better just to break up the
nest and prevent all that, as "ARAs" want to do to all
domestic animals. But the experience of life must be
worth something, and hopefully it's worth a little effort
on my part to help a few zygotes get to be baby ducks
for a little while. >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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Since: Jul 02, 2003 Posts: 1110
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:45 pm
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<dh@.> wrote
> A duck is setting on a nest which she made on the float
> at the end of a finger on a dock where I have a boat. When
> I noticed her there I knew I'd be taking the boat in and out,
> and it would scare her off the nest. So I got some black
> plastic and made a blind to close off my inside of the finger
> so she couldn't see out and get scared, and dropped it
> in place one of the first nights she started to set. It scared
> her off then, but she came right back and the blind has
> kept her from getting off several times since then.
> Why? The baby ducks won't last a month. Some will die
> in the first day or two. The mother ducks are followed by
> groups of large carp who can eat day or two old ducks,
> and apparently attacked by other things since I only saw
> two of the many last year live long enough to grow much
> feather. It might have been better just to break up the
> nest and prevent all that, as "ARAs" want to do to all
> domestic animals. But the experience of life must be
> worth something, and hopefully it's worth a little effort
> on my part to help a few zygotes get to be baby ducks
> for a little while.
The ducklings were already alive before you intervened. All
you did way modify your own behaviour to prevent you
from influencing them in a negative way. The parallel is to
animal welfare, not to animals getting to be born.
No moral imperative exists to raise livestock so they can
experience life. >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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Since: Jan 14, 2005 Posts: 345
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:19 pm
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dh@. wrote:
> A duck is setting on a nest which she made on the float
> at the end of a finger on a dock where I have a boat. When
> I noticed her there I knew I'd be taking the boat in and out,
> and it would scare her off the nest. So I got some black
> plastic and made a blind to close off my inside of the finger
> so she couldn't see out and get scared, and dropped it
> in place one of the first nights she started to set. It scared
> her off then, but she came right back and the blind has
> kept her from getting off several times since then.
> Why?
Because you're an overly sentimental sap. >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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Since: Apr 27, 2005 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:55 pm
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<dh@.> wrote in message news:jdjv61ttbb7k24pitr0mit8mkn328caom3@4ax.com...
> A duck is setting on a nest which she made on the float
> at the end of a finger on a dock where I have a boat. When
> I noticed her there I knew I'd be taking the boat in and out,
> and it would scare her off the nest. So I got some black
> plastic and made a blind to close off my inside of the finger
> so she couldn't see out and get scared, and dropped it
> in place one of the first nights she started to set. It scared
> her off then, but she came right back and the blind has
> kept her from getting off several times since then.
> Why?
because you know duck is delicious? >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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Since: Nov 15, 2003 Posts: 268
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:58 am
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<dh@.> wrote in message news:jdjv61ttbb7k24pitr0mit8mkn328caom3@4ax.com...
> A duck is setting on a nest which she made on the float
> at the end of a finger on a dock where I have a boat. When
> I noticed her there I knew I'd be taking the boat in and out,
> and it would scare her off the nest. So I got some black
> plastic and made a blind to close off my inside of the finger
> so she couldn't see out and get scared, and dropped it
> in place one of the first nights she started to set. It scared
> her off then, but she came right back and the blind has
> kept her from getting off several times since then.
> Why? The baby ducks won't last a month. Some will die
> in the first day or two. The mother ducks are followed by
> groups of large carp who can eat day or two old ducks,
> and apparently attacked by other things since I only saw
> two of the many last year live long enough to grow much
> feather. It might have been better just to break up the
> nest and prevent all that, as "ARAs" want to do to all
> domestic animals. But the experience of life must be
> worth something, and hopefully it's worth a little effort
> on my part to help a few zygotes get to be baby ducks
> for a little while.
Your argument is flawed, but if your story is true, thank you for helping
the animals.
-Rubystars >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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Since: Apr 11, 2005 Posts: 46
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:45 am
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Nice one dh
David
dh@. wrote:
> A duck is setting on a nest which she made on the float
> at the end of a finger on a dock where I have a boat. When
> I noticed her there I knew I'd be taking the boat in and out,
> and it would scare her off the nest. So I got some black
> plastic and made a blind to close off my inside of the finger
> so she couldn't see out and get scared, and dropped it
> in place one of the first nights she started to set. It scared
> her off then, but she came right back and the blind has
> kept her from getting off several times since then.
> Why? The baby ducks won't last a month. Some will die
> in the first day or two. The mother ducks are followed by
> groups of large carp who can eat day or two old ducks,
> and apparently attacked by other things since I only saw
> two of the many last year live long enough to grow much
> feather. It might have been better just to break up the
> nest and prevent all that, as "ARAs" want to do to all
> domestic animals. But the experience of life must be
> worth something, and hopefully it's worth a little effort
> on my part to help a few zygotes get to be baby ducks
> for a little while. >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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Since: Apr 03, 2005 Posts: 409
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:48 pm
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:19:02 GMT, Rudy Canoza <someguy.TakeThisOut@ph.con> wrote:
>dh@. wrote:
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>> A duck is setting on a nest which she made on the float
>> at the end of a finger on a dock where I have a boat. When
>> I noticed her there I knew I'd be taking the boat in and out,
>> and it would scare her off the nest. So I got some black
>> plastic and made a blind to close off my inside of the finger
>> so she couldn't see out and get scared, and dropped it
>> in place one of the first nights she started to set. It scared
>> her off then, but she came right back and the blind has
>> kept her from getting off several times since then.
>> Why?
>
>Because you're an overly sentimental sap.
How so? So far it appears you may be an underly
considerate sap. Better to get eaten by carp or never
live...which is it and why Goo? >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:49 pm
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:23:24 -0700, "Dutch" <no RemoveThis @email.com> wrote:
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><dh@.> wrote
>> A duck is setting on a nest which she made on the float
>> at the end of a finger on a dock where I have a boat. When
>> I noticed her there I knew I'd be taking the boat in and out,
>> and it would scare her off the nest. So I got some black
>> plastic and made a blind to close off my inside of the finger
>> so she couldn't see out and get scared, and dropped it
>> in place one of the first nights she started to set. It scared
>> her off then, but she came right back and the blind has
>> kept her from getting off several times since then.
>> Why? The baby ducks won't last a month. Some will die
>> in the first day or two. The mother ducks are followed by
>> groups of large carp who can eat day or two old ducks,
>> and apparently attacked by other things since I only saw
>> two of the many last year live long enough to grow much
>> feather. It might have been better just to break up the
>> nest and prevent all that, as "ARAs" want to do to all
>> domestic animals. But the experience of life must be
>> worth something, and hopefully it's worth a little effort
>> on my part to help a few zygotes get to be baby ducks
>> for a little while.
>
>The ducklings were already alive before you intervened. All
>you did way modify your own behaviour to prevent you
>from influencing them in a negative way. The parallel is to
>animal welfare, not to animals getting to be born.
Yes to animals getting to be born. If I hadn't put up
the blind she'd have a worse hatch, if she had any. I
could have broken up the nest and they would never
have experienced life. Right now they are...I don't know
how many, but they will soon be killed by something.
>No moral imperative exists to raise livestock so they can
>experience life.
They have better and longer lives than many wild
animals, whether you like it or not. >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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Since: Jul 02, 2003 Posts: 1110
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:49 pm
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<dh@.> wrote
>>No moral imperative exists to raise livestock so they can
>>experience life.
>
> They have better and longer lives than many wild
> animals, whether you like it or not.
The consumer is disqualified from deriving glory
from the lives of livestock. That is moral double-
dipping. >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:49 pm
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:58:10 GMT, "Rubystars" <windstorm.TakeThisOut@swbell.net> wrote:
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><dh@.> wrote in message news:jdjv61ttbb7k24pitr0mit8mkn328caom3@4ax.com...
>> A duck is setting on a nest which she made on the float
>> at the end of a finger on a dock where I have a boat. When
>> I noticed her there I knew I'd be taking the boat in and out,
>> and it would scare her off the nest. So I got some black
>> plastic and made a blind to close off my inside of the finger
>> so she couldn't see out and get scared, and dropped it
>> in place one of the first nights she started to set. It scared
>> her off then, but she came right back and the blind has
>> kept her from getting off several times since then.
>> Why? The baby ducks won't last a month. Some will die
>> in the first day or two. The mother ducks are followed by
>> groups of large carp who can eat day or two old ducks,
>> and apparently attacked by other things since I only saw
>> two of the many last year live long enough to grow much
>> feather. It might have been better just to break up the
>> nest and prevent all that, as "ARAs" want to do to all
>> domestic animals. But the experience of life must be
>> worth something, and hopefully it's worth a little effort
>> on my part to help a few zygotes get to be baby ducks
>> for a little while.
>
>Your argument is flawed,
Don't stop there.
>but if your story is true, thank you for helping
>the animals.
>
>-Rubystars
Is it a help? They will have shorter lives with a good
deal more fear involved than most broiler chickens. I
can feel better about contributing to them than these
poor little ducks. >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 1:50 pm
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:23:44 -0400, "Scented Nectar" <me.TakeThisOut@scentednectar.com> wrote:
><dh@.> wrote in message news:jdjv61ttbb7k24pitr0mit8mkn328caom3@4ax.com...
>> A duck is setting on a nest which she made on the float
>> at the end of a finger on a dock where I have a boat. When
>> I noticed her there I knew I'd be taking the boat in and out,
>> and it would scare her off the nest. So I got some black
>> plastic and made a blind to close off my inside of the finger
>> so she couldn't see out and get scared, and dropped it
>> in place one of the first nights she started to set. It scared
>> her off then, but she came right back and the blind has
>> kept her from getting off several times since then.
>> Why? The baby ducks won't last a month. Some will die
>> in the first day or two. The mother ducks are followed by
>> groups of large carp who can eat day or two old ducks,
>> and apparently attacked by other things since I only saw
>> two of the many last year live long enough to grow much
>> feather. It might have been better just to break up the
>> nest and prevent all that, as "ARAs" want to do to all
>> domestic animals. But the experience of life must be
>> worth something, and hopefully it's worth a little effort
>> on my part to help a few zygotes get to be baby ducks
>> for a little while.
>
>I just got the following timely
>piece from a bizarre news
>email I subscribe to:
>
>----- Secret Service Job Not All It's Quacked Up To Be -----
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>WASHINGTON - Secret Service agents know it's their job to
>serve and protect. But I bet they never expected to be serv-
>ing and protecting a duck. Usually it's just Washington VIPS
>that get Secret Service protection, but now a mama mallard
>is getting the special treatment. The duck recently took up
>residence outside the Treasury Department and is watching
>over her nine eggs. The sidewalk has been fenced off by
>officials and the Secret Service is keeping an eye on the
>nest. Officials expect that once the eggs hatch, the mother
>duck will most likely parade her ducklings to the nearest
>body of water. Of course, a Secret Service escort will be on
>hand for that event if needed.
I hope someone keeps up with them and we see how
they make out. My guess is most of them will go to turtles
and hawks, if they'll be headed for a river. >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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Since: Jan 23, 2006 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:51 am
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Fuckwit David Harrison blabbered:
> A duck is setting on a nest which she made on the float
> at the end of a finger on a dock where I have a boat. When
> I noticed her there I knew I'd be taking the boat in and out,
> and it would scare her off the nest. So I got some black
> plastic and made a blind to close off my inside of the finger
> so she couldn't see out and get scared, and dropped it
> in place one of the first nights she started to set. It scared
> her off then, but she came right back and the blind has
> kept her from getting off several times since then.
> Why? The baby ducks won't last a month. Some will die
> in the first day or two. The mother ducks are followed by
> groups of large carp who can eat day or two old ducks,
> and apparently attacked by other things since I only saw
> two of the many last year live long enough to grow much
> feather. It might have been better just to break up the
> nest and prevent all that, as "ARAs" want to do to all
> domestic animals. But the experience of life must be
> worth something, and hopefully it's worth a little effort
> on my part to help a few zygotes get to be baby ducks
> for a little while.
Helping the ducks "get to experience life" is not doing
them a good deed. You're doing it for yourself. >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:51 am
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In article <jhZAf.4993$vU2.4105@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Eden <shrubkiller.RemoveThis@excite.com> wrote:
> Fuckwit David Harrison blabbered:
>
> > A duck is setting on a nest which she made on the float
> > at the end of a finger on a dock where I have a boat. When
> > I noticed her there I knew I'd be taking the boat in and out,
> > and it would scare her off the nest. So I got some black
> > plastic and made a blind to close off my inside of the finger
> > so she couldn't see out and get scared, and dropped it
> > in place one of the first nights she started to set. It scared
> > her off then, but she came right back and the blind has
> > kept her from getting off several times since then.
> > Why? The baby ducks won't last a month. Some will die
> > in the first day or two. The mother ducks are followed by
> > groups of large carp who can eat day or two old ducks,
> > and apparently attacked by other things since I only saw
> > two of the many last year live long enough to grow much
> > feather. It might have been better just to break up the
> > nest and prevent all that, as "ARAs" want to do to all
> > domestic animals. But the experience of life must be
> > worth something, and hopefully it's worth a little effort
> > on my part to help a few zygotes get to be baby ducks
> > for a little while.
>
> Helping the ducks "get to experience life" is not doing
> them a good deed. You're doing it for yourself.
I'd watch the nest and take the baby ducks in as they hatched if I
could, then raise them in an indoor brooder until they were no longer
small enough to be eaten by carp, then turn them back to the lake.
Or, I'd shoot the carp. ;-)
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:14 am
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Goo wrote:
>Fuckwit David Harrison blabbered:
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>> A duck is setting on a nest
[...]
>>The baby ducks won't last a month.
[...]
>>a few zygotes get to be baby ducks
>> for a little while.
>
>Helping the ducks "get to experience life" is not doing
>them a good deed.
You don't have a clue whether it is or not Goo.
>You're doing it for yourself.
What could it do for me, and why? >> Stay informed about: Helping ducklings to experience life... |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:29 pm
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Leif Erikson wrote:
> Fuckwit David Harrison lied:
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> > On 27 Jan 2006, Leif Erikson wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Fuckwit David Harrison lied:
> >
> >
> >>> You're too selfish to understand how a person could get any good
> >>>feeling from helping an animal survive
> >>
> >>It isn't a matter of selfishness, Fuckwit. It's a matter of sound
> >>logic and common sense. If life -per se- is not a benefit - and it is
> >>*not* a benefit -
> >
> >
> > Your stupid insistence that life is not a benefit is completely
> > dependant on the fact that ines can't benefit Goo, but that useless
> > fact has nothing to do with whether or not animals do.
>
> No, Fuckwit. My correct and logical and irrefutable
> observation is that life is not a benefit because the
> definition of "benefit" precludes it.
>
>
>
> >>then ensuring that the duck eggs hatch and the
> >>ducklings "get to experience life" is *NOT* doing them any good deed,
> >
> >
> > Your stupid argument against life being a benefit
>
> It's a correct argument that life IS NOT a benefit,
> Fuckwit. It isn't.
Apparently not for you.
LOL!
>
> You were not doing the duck eggs a "good deed" by
> ensuring that they hatched, Fuckwit; causing the
> ducklings to be born was in NO WAY doing them a good deed.
If they were allowed to live out their natural lives then it is a
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