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Since: Mar 25, 2004 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:09 pm
Post subject: No Help Available For Ferals? Archived from groups: rec>pets>cats>rescue (more info?)
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Hi,
This is more of a vent than anything else, and this group seems like
the right place for it. Who knows, maybe you guys can offer suggestions.
I've just spent my entire morning trying to get trapping and spay/neuter
information for the 4 feral cats (all one litter) that came along with
the house we just bought. I don't mind feeding the cats and having them
around, but the females just had their first heat, and are most likely
already pregnant. The mother of this group, after disappearing for a
long time, has also reappeared and is obviously nursing a new litter.
(Whole other problem, but one thing at a time.)
Called the Humane Society, they said to call Wildlife Care, Wildlife
Care said to call the Humane Society, who then said it just wasn't their
problem because the cats weren't pets and to call Animal control. Animal
Control said it wasn't their problem unless I wanted to trap the cats
myself, which I can't do. They then offered to rent me a trap for a $100
deposit + rent, which I don't have. (Even if I did trap them, they just
wanted to haul them off to be euthanized, which isn't an option.) I flat
out asked the guy at Animal Control if no one cared if these 4 cats just
bred themselves into the hundreds, and he said no. (NOT kidding.)
So the long and short of it is, no one will even discuss the matter
unless I pay a fee and deliver the cats to them. These things are
totally wild. Even if I could afford the $250 or so the entire
undertaking would cost, and manage to trap them, what do I do with them
until the vet appointment? No one I've asked seems to have answers. I've
already adopted the runt from this group. He's pretty wild, but likes
living in the house and gets along well with my other 3 cats. I wish I
could take them all in, but they're just too wild, and I don't have any
more room. The 4 I have now are a bit much at times. :-)
Anyway, thanks for letting me vent. I guess I need to get back on the
phone and try a few more places. It's just unreal that all these
organizations that talk about how much they want to help unwanted
animals lose interest when you actually ask them for assistance. But
there's got to be some place that helps with these things. Suggestions
welcome. Wish me luck. :-)
Robyn
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To avoid grizzlies, the Alaska Department of Fish & Game advises hikers
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for signs of activity: Black bear scat is smaller and contains berries;
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Since: Dec 26, 2003 Posts: 101
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:09 pm
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Robyn, there may be a rescue org in your area (and it would be helpful if
you revealed to the group where you are), but chances are good that you
are going to have to take care of this little colony yourself. And you
need to move fast!
You need a livetrap or two (buy them; they are not all that expensive, and
it is going to take a few weeks to get the colony in hand). Find a
low-cost spay/neuter service (talk to your vet first; maybe you can work
out a discount) and get to work. Start with last year's kittens; they are
pregnant now and the sooner spayed the better for all. If you can locate
the old cat's litter, bring them in and trap the mom. She can raise her
babies in a cage or secure room until they are 4 weeks or so (when they
can be started on solid food) and then be spayed and released.
Let us know where you are. There just may be a spay/neuter clinic in your
area. Seattle, for example, has a free feral cat clinic for all comers.
Thank you for being so kind and responsible. I wish everyone were like
you.
Email me privately if you would like to discuss any of this. I am always
happy to advise.
Sharon Talbert
Friends of Campus Cats
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Since: Dec 26, 2003 Posts: 101
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:51 pm
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Robyn, try this URL:
www.thecatnetwork.org
They are based out of Miami, if that helps. They might at least be able
to put you in touch with someone who can help. Don't give up networking!
But be prepared to do most of the work yourself, even if you find help
with the expenses.
Sharon Talbert
Friends of Campus Cats
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Since: Mar 25, 2004 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:23 am
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Sharon Talbert wrote:
> Robyn, try this URL:
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> www.thecatnetwork.org
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> They are based out of Miami, if that helps. They might at least be
> able to put you in touch with someone who can help. Don't give up
> networking! But be prepared to do most of the work yourself, even if
> you find help with the expenses.
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> Sharon Talbert
> Friends of Campus Cats
> Seattle
Thanks Sharon, I'll take a look, but Miami is a different county and
quite a distance. (I don't have easy transportation.) Still, you never
know.
I'd still like to know what to do with the cat if I'm lucky enough to
catch one in my carrier? Will it be calm until an appointment can be
arranged, or go ballistic? Also, how fast do these cats tame down?
They're always wanting to get in the house. They know their brother's in
there, and they're friends with my big male, Squidly. If I just let them
in on the porch, would they adjust enough within a couple of weeks to be
handled so I could transport them? I could probably afford to fix a cat
every week or two until they're done... Maybe that's a bad idea, I don't
know. Hopefully today's phone calls will yield some help. :-)
My S/O is now telling me we should just say the hell with it and take
all four of them in. ACK! Even with only 4, I can't sit down without
shooing a cat. I had to chase one out of the bathtub to take a shower
this morning. (The water tastes better than what's in the dish,
apparently.) Last week I woke up with a weight on my chest and a tail in
my mouth. I can't imagine having 8, especially with 5 of them being wild
things. I think my S/O needs his meds adjusted. :-)
Anyway, I'm rambling. Thanks for the advise, I'm going to see if I
can't get something done today, or at least form a plan.
Take care,
Robyn
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for signs of activity: Black bear scat is smaller and contains berries;
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Since: Dec 26, 2003 Posts: 101
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:04 pm
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> > Seattle
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> Thanks Sharon, I'll take a look, but Miami is a different county and
> quite a distance. (I don't have easy transportation.) Still, you never
> know.
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I am hoping they can help you network and find a rescuer or rescue org
closer-in. Meanwhile, let's hope the locals you have found will return
your call. Hound them for a referral if they won't lend a paw. Also talk
to your vet; you may be pleasantly surprised.
You may have to involve several rescuers/orgs/vet clinics in this
operation. You may be able to borrow a trap or two from one place and
get some free or low-cost surgeries from another. Some vets will
vaccinate at no charge if you provide the vaccine (bought mail order,
though I prefer to pay $5 a pop for my vet to do it with her stuff, which
I know has been handled properly). Surf the web for low- to no-pay
spay/neuter coupons. Check out the Ally Cat Allies website and look
under "Find Feral Friends," which lists orgs by state. Keep networking.
> I'd still like to know what to do with the cat if I'm lucky enough to
> catch one in my carrier? Will it be calm until an appointment can be
> arranged, or go ballistic? Also, how fast do these cats tame down?
> They're always wanting to get in the house. They know their brother's in
> there, and they're friends with my big male, Squidly. If I just let them
> in on the porch, would they adjust enough within a couple of weeks to be
> handled so I could transport them? I could probably afford to fix a cat
> every week or two until they're done... Maybe that's a bad idea, I don't
> know. Hopefully today's phone calls will yield some help. :-)
>
The carrier trick is risky business but can be done. Have a vet in place
to do the surgery (with or w/o appointment; just agreeing to take on a
feral cat is the first challenge). We've had success with trap-wise cats
who have a devoted feeder by supplying an over-sized carrier and having
the feeder use the carrier as a feeding station. One cat, Lurchie (read
about her in the website) was trapped in a shelter/feeder the size of a
dog house that we converted with a slider door. A trap is best, though;
safer for the you, safer for the cat, safer for the vet.
> My S/O is now telling me we should just say the hell with it and take
> all four of them in. ACK! Even with only 4, I can't sit down without
> shooing a cat. I had to chase one out of the bathtub to take a shower
> this morning. (The water tastes better than what's in the dish,
> apparently.) Last week I woke up with a weight on my chest and a tail in
> my mouth. I can't imagine having 8, especially with 5 of them being wild
> things. I think my S/O needs his meds adjusted. :-)
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Oh, sweet S/O! But don't get me started on house ferals. You have to
respect your own limits. Ferals can become your friends; they can even be
"tamed," as much as each individual spirit will allow. Lurchie came to us
as a middle-aged feral (she had been born on UW campus). She never quite
became a lapcat, but she was soon content and glad to be inside at last,
warm and dry and never hungry. And never lonely; ferals are sociable
beasties and need the company of the feline kind.
Keep us posted.
Sharon Talbert
Campus Cats
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Since: May 06, 2004 Posts: 5
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:33 pm
Post subject: Re: No Help Available For Ferals? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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well i actually trapped two cats in a carrier with string....i tied the
string to the top corner of the door(not on the side where its attached
but on the side where the lever is to open the cage...I used a cage
about two feet long(its a large size pet taxi) and i baited it with
tuna...firsst cat it took me a few trys but i got him....i braced the
cage against the wall of house and just pulled the string when i saw him
almost all the way in...my second cat was easier to get as i knew what
to do but it took her hour to finaly go into it. tip is to use dry food
for regular feeding and then baiut it with somethign that is realy a
treat for them(tuna or some sort of actual meat) >> Stay informed about: No Help Available For Ferals? |
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Since: Jul 30, 2003 Posts: 101
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 3:56 pm
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In article <jdcf60d3dh8i2maekmd05ejv2ulkcchbsa DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
Arjun Ray <aray DeleteThis @nmds.com.invalid> wrote:
> I would never leave a trap unmonitored overnight.
Yeah, when I started trapping, I ran into the same question and decided
against leaving the trap for more than an hour at a time--and even an
hour seemed excessive. My reasoning went like this: when a animal is in
the trap, it is helpless and completely exposed.
Already under a great deal of stress just from being trapped, the
animal is also abjectly subject to any passing adversity or threat. If
the trapper's intent is to help the trapped animal, then best to
quickly isolate it safely and comfortably so it isn't at the mercy of
whatever vagaries it might encounter.
If I cannot monitor my traps in a timely manner, I don't trap. >> Stay informed about: No Help Available For Ferals? |
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Since: Jul 29, 2003 Posts: 52
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 3:56 pm
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In <bearclaw-042835.07562329032004.RemoveThis@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com>,
bearclaw.RemoveThis@cruller.invalid wrote:
| If I cannot monitor my traps in a timely manner, I don't trap.
With you all the way.
Having said "never", I realized that there was another proviso: never
out in the open.
I *have* left a trap set overnight, but only indoors - the basement of a
church. I also covered the trap to make a "tunnel" - the cat is more
likely to go in if it can see through to the other side, and at least it
isn't completely exposed.
I caught both my foster kitten Katrina and her cousin Jezebel that way.
Katrina, not three months old, held out for five days without food. Her
aunt (1.5 years old at that point) did even better: she held out for an
incredible seven days - while pregnant (with 5), to boot. The stamina
seems to run in the family. >> Stay informed about: No Help Available For Ferals? |
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Since: Mar 14, 2004 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:20 pm
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"Wendy" <wendypart.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:g_idnYR8y7KJ-_TdRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
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> Any idea why some cats flip out in the trap and others just seem to resign
> themselves to their lot in life?
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> W
No idea. Individual temperament, probably.
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Since: Dec 26, 2003 Posts: 101
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:36 pm
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> just don't get it -- so I took the path of least resistance and am now the
> "invisible caretaker" of their "colony." The only upside really is that
> they're very good about feeding. I put a feeding station near where I trap
> to keep them coming thru my yard, but the hoarders keep them fed on a daily
> basis pretty well.
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Here's a tip. If the cats are too well fed to be interested in your trap,
try baiting with fresh catnip. Another benefit of catnip is that possoms
and raccoons don't care for the stuff. For some reason, catnip is most
successful with toms. We once caught two fighting toms the same night,
both still bleeding from their wounds. (In separate traps, thank gawd.)
Sharon Talbert
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Since: Jul 21, 2003 Posts: 13
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 2:22 pm
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Good morning:
Animal Control is the biggest joke going!
I have not come across a decent group in the last 3 towns I have lived in.
Chelle.
> I flat
>out asked the guy at Animal Control if no one cared if these 4 cats just
>bred themselves into the hundreds, and he said no. (NOT kidding.)
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"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON, nor can they TALK, but can they SUFFER?"
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Since: Mar 25, 2004 Posts: 3
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:38 pm
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Robyn wrote:
> Hi,
> This is more of a vent than anything else, and this group seems
> like the right place for it. Who knows, maybe you guys can offer
> suggestions. I've just spent my entire morning trying to get trapping
> and spay/neuter information for the 4 feral cats (all one litter)
> that came along with the house we just bought. I don't mind feeding
> the cats and having them around, but the females just had their first
> heat, and are most likely already pregnant. The mother of this group,
> after disappearing for a long time, has also reappeared and is
> obviously nursing a new litter. (Whole other problem, but one thing
> at a time.)
>
> Called the Humane Society, they said to call Wildlife Care,
> Wildlife Care said to call the Humane Society, who then said it just
> wasn't their problem because the cats weren't pets and to call Animal
> control. Animal Control said it wasn't their problem unless I wanted
> to trap the cats myself, which I can't do. They then offered to rent
> me a trap for a $100 deposit + rent, which I don't have. (Even if I
> did trap them, they just wanted to haul them off to be euthanized,
> which isn't an option.) I flat out asked the guy at Animal Control if
> no one cared if these 4 cats just bred themselves into the hundreds,
> and he said no. (NOT kidding.)
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> So the long and short of it is, no one will even discuss the matter
> unless I pay a fee and deliver the cats to them. These things are
> totally wild. Even if I could afford the $250 or so the entire
> undertaking would cost, and manage to trap them, what do I do with
> them until the vet appointment? No one I've asked seems to have
> answers. I've already adopted the runt from this group. He's pretty
> wild, but likes living in the house and gets along well with my other
> 3 cats. I wish I could take them all in, but they're just too wild,
> and I don't have any more room. The 4 I have now are a bit much at
> times. :-)
>
> Anyway, thanks for letting me vent. I guess I need to get back on
> the phone and try a few more places. It's just unreal that all these
> organizations that talk about how much they want to help unwanted
> animals lose interest when you actually ask them for assistance. But
> there's got to be some place that helps with these things. Suggestions
> welcome. Wish me luck. :-)
>
> Robyn
OK, I just wanted to follow up and let you guys know what was
happening, since everyone was so helpful. :-) I was able to borrow a
couple of traps from a *very* helpful person, and found a low cost vet
that didn't require appointments for ferals. So I put the traps out
Saturday morning, and as soon as I stepped away from the traps, there
were cats in them. (yay!) So away they went, and they're playing in the
yard today, a little more wary than before, but none the worse for the
experience, the poor things.
Of the remaining two females, I haven't seen one in several days now,
I'm afraid something may have happened to her. :-( The other one will
not go anywhere near the trap. She comes twice a day and cries to be
fed, but will not go to the trap. We've tried wet food, dry food,
catnip, you name it, she ignores it and just cries at the door for food
as if the trap wasn't there. Any ideas would be helpful.
I had only been seeing the nursing mother a couple times a week. She
looked fed, so I thought someone was looking after her, but now all of a
sudden she's here asking for food as well. At what point after she
brings the kittens out can she be trapped and spayed to stop this damned
cycle? (I have no idea what to do about the kittens. Hopefully she'll
just have a couple...)
Anyway, I just wanted to post a followup, since several people had
asked. I'll post if anything else happens. I'd appreciate any
suggestions on getting that female into the trap, as well as when I can
trap the mother cat.
Thanks!
Robyn
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to wear noisy little bells on clothes and carry pepper spray. Also watch
for signs of activity: Black bear scat is smaller and contains berries;
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:48 pm
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