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(Msg. 241) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:58 pm
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<10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:mqalv2ljb48r85l6g36biaii0ekr21e5bs@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:33:32 -0000, "pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie>
> wrote:
>
> >"SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:12vl4ie6jc0oc0c@corp.supernews.com...
> >>
> >> "pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
> >> news:ete1t1$5a5$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> >> > "Arved Sandstrom" <asandstrom.RemoveThis@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:320Kh.115098$cE3.90778@edtnps89...
> >> >> "
> >> >> Why? Unless you're a vegetarian, tell me why seals are not meant to be
> >> >> eaten, but poultry, cattle and fish are.
> >> >
> >> > "[Animals] were not made for humans any more than black
> >> > people were made for whites or women for men." - Alice Walker
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> And who is Alice Walker that we should take her seriously ?
> >
> >http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22alice+walker%22&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> >
>
> She writes excellent fiction. Good credentials for environmental
> comment...

She has excellent credentials for social commentary.

'Alice Walker was active in the Civil Rights Movement of the
1960's, and in the 1990's she is still an involved activist. She
has spoken for the women's movement, the anti-apartheid
movement, for the anti-nuclear movement, and against female
genital mutilation.
.......'
http://www.luminarium.org/contemporary/alicew/

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(Msg. 242) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:58 pm
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<10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:05blv2996k4vjj3s3bmqn12aub4nrtd9le@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:11:51 -0000, "pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie>
> wrote:
>
> ><10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:hg3lv219gjv8ab3u1hakfgaeov6oi03erf@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:23:01 -0000, "pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> ><10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:9lghv2dtq5g0nura5t5oneojikgeqjv8i2@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:17:30 -0000, "pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >http://venus.nildram.co.uk/veganmc/polemics.htm
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So what do those who hunt seals turn to for food
> >> >> >
> >> >> >In this "hunt" most of the meat is left on the ice.
> >> >>
> >> >> Where it is utilized by birds, and eventually fish.
> >> >> Remember seals eat fish. Sometimes the shoe is on the other foot...
> >> >
> >> >Read these pages:
> >> >
> >> >Something is Rotten in the Gulf of St. Lawrence:
> >> >Eco-logical reasons to abolish the Canadian harp seal hunt
> >> >http://www.fisherycrisis.com/seals/hypoxia.htm
> >> >http://www.fisherycrisis.com/seals/rottenhypocrisy.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> There is something rotten in the gulf of St Lawrence. It came out of
> >> the sewers and tailpipes of all of the factories and homes in the
> >> watershed that drained into the St. Lawrence drainage.
> >> Seals have very little to do with it other than they suffer the
> >> pollution.
> >
> >False. Read those pages.
>
> You are wrong. THose pages only tell part of the story. The St.
> Lawrence has served as a sewer for Upper and lower Canada, Northern
> New York State, and Michigan for at least 200 years. There is 200
> years plus of industrial pollution there. To blame it on seal hunters
> who are active for two to three weeks a year is ludicrous.

'The Canadian harp seal hunt is doubly injurious to the health of the
ecosystem in the Gulf of St. Lawrence because, not only are large
numbers of important predator/scavengers prevented from
performing their natural ecosystem-cleansing role, but massive
numbers of seal corpses are dumped in the Gulf yearly and allowed
to rot on bottom. There is nothing living in this region today that is
capable of consuming thousands of tons of dead seal flesh.that is,
there is nothing there that can do this job except oxygen-greedy
bacteria. This presents a second compelling eco-logical reason* for
imposing an immediate ban on seal hunting in the Gulf of St. Lawrence.
.....'
http://www.fisherycrisis.com/seals/hypoxia.htm

'DFO scientists have recently published their finding that a massive
region of the Gulf contains bottom water oxygen levels so low today
that cod and other fish can be (and likely are being) sickened or
killed as a result. The cod stock in the northern Gulf is in such bad
shape that it has been listed under the Species At Risk Act. Under
the Fisheries Act it is illegal to damage fish habitat by adding any
"deleterious substance" to the water. "Deleterious" to current
conditions in the Gulf is the addition of any more rot-fodder to
the bottom water, because such pollution will only cause hypoxic
conditions to intensify. This is not a new concept.

Why, then, does DFO allow seal hunters to abandon hundreds of
thousands of seal corpses on the ice in the middle of the Gulf?
Sealers normally remove only the pelts, and leave the seal corpses
to rot. This practice, added to unknown numbers of wounded seals
that escape to die later, results in a rain of sinking, rotting seal
corpses that can only work to further stifle - quite literally - the
recovery of cod stocks. Dead seal flesh dumped annually into the
waters of the Gulf by sealers likely exceeds 1000 tons, and the
ensuing rot can certainly suffocate cod. However, no permits for
"at sea disposal" of bulk organic waste appear to have been issued
to the sealers, (although the law normally requires permits for the
disposal of far smaller quantities of fish waste), and no appropriate
"environmental impact assessment" has been done (although, as
the agency responsible for enabling the seal hunt, DFO is obliged
to do this under the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act).
What a mess - and to think that this seal hunt has been sold to the
public as a "cod stock recovery plan."
.....'
http://www.fisherycrisis.com/seals/rottenhypocrisy.htm

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(Msg. 243) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:58 pm
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<10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:evalv21ptoqhi08savkv5i87mctofpiuss@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:14:58 -0000, "pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie>
> wrote:
>
> ><10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:qj3lv2tgfp2n70a847guc3349oars2tsc8@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:23:01 -0000, "pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The areas where the seal hunt occurs do get fruit and vegetables.
> >> >> They hunt seals for the skins to they can afford to buy these
> >> >> expensive foreign foods..
> >> >
> >> >So you have food sources.
> >>
> >> So where are these food sources? What do they cost?
> >> What about transportation to get the food there?
> >
> >You tell us.
>
> I asked you. Your retort is a non answer.

How would I know? You're the smart-arse who wrote "The
areas where the seal hunt occurs do get fruit and vegetables."
Presumably you know about the sources, cost, etc. as well.

> >> > Britain earns $82 million CAD
> >> >annually from seal watching trips. Much more than $16m.
> >>
> >> Please name the companies that doe the seal watching eco tours in
> >> Great Britian. Post some links to their internet sites. Some reading
> >> htis might like to go....
> >
> >Look here:
> >http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=seal+watching+uk&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
> >
> So why don't you suggest the folks who put up the 16 million for
> stopping the seal hunt use that money to promote eco tourism

That was indeed part of the offer. Didn't you read the article?

> and
> subsidize those seal hunters who turn to eco tourism and just kill
> enough seals to feed the tourists?

Huh?

> And offering it to the prime minister of Canada. An impotent
> poltician can't understand money that is given to help others.

Apparently.
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(Msg. 244) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:59 pm
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<10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:bhalv2h01q87ohdnl9qp9arfhbd0vo9apr@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:18:53 -0000, "pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie>
> wrote:
>
> ><10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:t24lv2htq37vv7ojf28d0a19kq10dj3pu1@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:28:17 -0000, "pearl" <tea DeleteThis @signguestbook.ie>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >False. Already addressed.
> >> >>
> >> >> How is it false. Agriculture destroys and changes the structure of
> >> >> wildlife habitat. That is a fact.
> >> >
> >> >A tenth of all land is arable land (present cropland). A third of
> >> >that ten percent is used to cultivate feed crops. Up to 50% of
> >> >all land is grazed by domestic livestock. But present cropland
> >> >could feed ten billion people, allowing the land grazed to revert
> >> >to natural habitat, as it was before it was grazed by livestock.
> >>
> >> Livestock graze on land that won't produce crops.
> >
> >So? It *was* "producing" entire ecosystems.
>
> As were the lands currently used to grow cereal crops and
> vegetables....

So you'd deny humans healthful and needed food?

> Agrculture kills wildlife habitat and wildlife - even vegan
> agriculture.

Not on already established cropland.

> >> Goa>ts are a case in
> >> point. Man grows crops where the soil allows it, and raises
> >> livestock on the land that won't grow a crop.
> >
> >Unnecessarily.
>
> Please explain. People live in areas that will not grow enough crop
> for the year. Livestock supliment their food and income. How is
> livestock not nessisary? Should these people move to the cities and
> get their food from stores?

What's stopping them from growing sufficient crops?

> >> Agriculture kills wildlife habitat, even for vegetarians - get over
> >> it.
> >
> >See above.
>
> See what? You have yet to make a valid supported point.

You're projecting.
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(Msg. 245) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:00 pm
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<10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:9malv2tplfmdq7o02ikilftkaak1e75dub@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:15:56 -0000, "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie>
> wrote:
>
> ><10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:uv3lv21bjkoivr758vl48kcp6ok3lkpqis@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:28:42 -0000, "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Chom Noamsky" <e.DeleteThis@t.me> wrote in message news:XxYJh.114958$cE3.88143@edtnps89...
> >> >> > "pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:et6d75$1ij$16@reader01.news.esat.net...
> >> >> > 'Anthropocentrism
> >> >> > By Penelope Smith
> >> >>
> >> >> <snip biased ara opinion>
> >> >
> >> >That's your biased, anti AR opinion.
> >> >
> >> >> Let me ask you one simple question (how you answer will expose your entire
> >> >> philosophy as a fraud):
> >> >>
> >> >> Which is more worthy of rights, a seal or a fish?
> >> >
> >> >Both, equally. And humans? If any other species caused
> >> >the damage that we do, they'd be exterminated as vermin.
> >>
> >> Can't argue with that one.
> >> Deforestation to grow crops for vegetarians to eat is one of the worst
> >> offences....
> >
> >Evidence?
> >
> The destruction of the entire shortgrass prairie ecosystem in North
> America so farmers can grow crops that don't have buffalo, elk, and
> grizzly destroying them. And Indians migrating through them.
> The American great plains are an ecological disaster.

'The 7 billion livestock animals in the United States consume
five times as much grain as is consumed directly by the entire
American population.
...
About 26 million tons of the livestock feed comes from
grains and 15 million tons from forage crops.
...
More than 302 million hectares of land are devoted to
producing feed for the U.S. livestock population -- about
272 million hectares in pasture and about 30 million
hectares for cultivated feed grains.
...'
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Aug97/livestock.hrs.html

U.S acres
Total dried beans and peas 2,140,851
Peanuts 1,436,034
Potatoes 1,309,963
Rice 2,424,864
Total sugar 2,172,550
Vegetables 3,264,343
http://ca.water.usgs.gov/pnsp/circ1131/table2.html

= 12,748,605 acres; (* 0.4047) = 5,159,360 hectares.
+
Orchards, vineyards, and nursery 4,462,591 acres
(= 1,806,010 hectares)
http://ca.water.usgs.gov/pnsp/circ1131/table6.html
+
6 million hectares grain (based on the above from Cornell).
=
Total: 12,965,370 hectares, round to 13 million hectares.
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(Msg. 246) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:00 pm
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<10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:baalv29spim0uiav3npoe62vtr2uo38ro4@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:23:22 -0000, "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie>
> wrote:
>
> ><10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:574lv2ta2m7pp16i1b8vn1gbk8qs97qtub@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:29:57 -0000, "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Tell me how is taking one deer of a thousand, or one seal out of a
> >> >> thosand, using the skin, and eating the seal damaging the environment?
> >> >
> >> >Humans number over 6 billion. How many deer and seals?
> >>
> >>
> >> I would strongly suggest you visit mainland china. There are a billion
> >> people there. Every square inch of arable land is utilized. Every
> >> thing that is wild is a source of sustenance. That is what
> >> agriculture for 4000 years does to the environment.
> >> Grazing keeps part of the land close to natural.
> >
> >Meat consumption in China was traditionally very low.
> >Now they are buying soya from deforested Amazon.
>
> That is because the land that could be used to raise livestock is
> being used to grow as much crop as possible to feed a population that
> is almost over the ability of the land to sustain. Meat is a premium
> in china. They use it sparingly because it is so rare.

It is because meat consumption has increased. Therefore
their need for feed, not food, has increased, accordingly.

> >> As for how many deer and seals, not enough to feed 6 billion people.
> >> but enough to feed the local folk so they don't starve.
> >
> >Make up your mind.
>
> How so? Local populaitons utilize local resouces to feed themselves
> and earn money. It would be rediccolous to believe that everyone in
> the world should get one bite of seal. The seal population can not
> survive that kind of pressure. But it can survive a small number of
> folks utilizing a small percentage of seals in a harvest. That takes
> the pressure off of other food and resource sources in the world.

'Humans Hunted Mammals To Extinction In North America

Science Daily - (Santa Barbara, Calif.) -- Woolly mammoths,
giant armadillos and three species of camels were among more
than 30 mammals that were hunted to extinction by North
American humans 13,000 to 12,000 years ago, according to
the most realistic, sophisticated computer model to date. The
news is reported in the June 8 issue of the journal Science.
....
"This was a big event in North America," said Alroy. "And,
although humans were responsible for the extinctions, it wasn't
clear to them because it happened over a 1,000 year period. It
took so long that they didn't realize it until it was too late."

"More than half of the large mammal biota of the Americas
disappeared in a cataclysmic extinction wave at the very end
of the Pleistocene," begins Alroy in the Science article. Some
of the mammals that became extinct are:

* woolly mammoths
* Columbian mammoths
* American mastodons
* three types of ground sloths
* glyptodonts
* giant armadillos
* several species of horses
* four species of pronghorn antelopes
* three species of camels
* giant deer
* several species of oxen
* giant bison

But why did some species of large mammals become extinct
and others not? Moose, Canadian elk and bison survived.
"These had a broader distribution," explained Alroy. They
were able to move into what is now Canada as the glaciers
melted. "These animals may also have developed more ways
to avoid humans since they co-evolved with humans here, in
Europe and Asia," he said.
....'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/06/010608081621.htm

Clearly, some people will never learn...
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(Msg. 247) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:00 pm
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<10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:en9lv2tb7c6h6umc0la0nc8pnv33on1ajb@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:24:40 -0000, "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie>
> wrote:
>
> ><10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:qb4lv29t5ufurgc4hhpo0rssr015234iin@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:29:57 -0000, "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Go vegetarian, and we would require less cropland than is
> >> >currently used for food and feed, without the need to hunt.
> >>
> >> This is the "a family can exist on five acres of vegetables theory"?
> >> There are 6 billion people in the world. Are there 6 billion acres of
> >> arable land?
> >> And what do they do when the uncontroled, overpopulated, starving
> >> wildlife eats the vegetables on their acre of land?
> >
> >You're just another wilfully ignorant troll, aren't you.
>
> You are mistaken. I have lived with a vegetable garden, preserving
> food in glass sealers, root cellar for other vegetables, rolling
> oats and wheat for human consumption, no electricity, no running
> water, and no natural gas for heating. two km from the nearest thing
> that could be called a road and seventy km from the nearest pavement.
> More hours were spent growing and putting up forage for the livestock
> that we used to pull the farm machinery to grow crops so we could have
> spending money for the clothes that we couldn't make. And if we didn't
> have horses to pull the machinery, it would have been family members.
> The first eighteen years of my life were spent like that.
>
> Be very carefull of whom you call a troll, and be even more carefull
> of whom you call ignorant.

Then show otherwise. So far, you've kept ignoring the facts.
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(Msg. 248) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:00 pm
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<10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:am9lv21au6needno7va4fi22up9u261dkk@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:25:30 -0000, "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie>
> wrote:
>
> ><10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:og4lv25iljapu98jfguj1brcoi4rutiai3@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:35:11 -0000, "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> ><10x@teluös.net> wrote in message news:7bhhv2hk37ir577ah071vvueqsbveff2bc@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:58:17 -0000, "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >..
> >> >> >Clue: Humans number over six billion these days. Where
> >> >> >is all this wildlife you seem so keen on "harvesting", hmm?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Provide evidence to support your claims...
> >> >>
> >> >> If you go out in the woods today, you're in for a big surprize. There
> >> >> is wildlife there, some places the highest populations of wildlife
> >> >> since before the fur trade. Wildlife numbers so high that the habitat
> >> >> can no longer provide enough food to support the populations.
> >> >> ANd you want to see these beautiful (tasty) animals starve and get
> >> >> eaten by wolves and coyotes while they are too week to flee?
> >> >
> >> >Show us some examples of what you claim.
> >>
> >> Here is a photo of two predators fighting over a carcass
> >>
> >> http://www.tarsiger.com/index.php?pic_id=komi1142612071&lang=eng
> >
> >Proving what, exactly?
>
>
> About as much as you have proven...

A wilfully ignorant troll. Like I said....
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