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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:51 am
Post subject: Harrison wants to raise humans for vivisection, food and clothing
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In another thread to this Harrison has finally exposed
the depth of his repugnant belief in the logic of the
larder, and he doesn't just limit his absurdity to
animals this time, either. He believes humans ought
to be raised for vivisection, food and clothing purposes
as well.
[start, me]
>>Do you think it extreme to want to prevent humans
>>from being born for vivisection, food and clothing?
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> Of course it is.
Then you truly are unethical, Harrison. I don't know
of a living soul that wouldn't want to prevent humans
from being born for such purposes as those.
[end]
Derek 2004-07-20
Also, oddly enough, in the very same post where he
makes this view known to me, he also writes;
"I'm extremely glad that I don't have such a severe
mental disorder as that [mine]. It would scare me,
and it should really scare the hell out of you. You
could very well end up hurting or killing someone
you care about, if you haven't done so already."
[my edit]
So there you have it. Harrison doesn't think it extreme
to want to prevent humans from being born for food,
clothing and vivisection purposes, and he thinks I'm the
one with a scary mental disorder. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:22 pm
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*correction*
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:51:50 +0100, Derek <derek.TakeThisOut@1066ad.com> wrote:
>In another thread to this Harrison has finally exposed
>the depth of his repugnant belief in the logic of the
>larder, and he doesn't just limit his absurdity to
>animals this time, either. He believes humans ought
>to be raised for vivisection, food and clothing purposes
>as well.
>
>[start, me]
>>>Do you think it extreme to want to prevent humans
>>>from being born for vivisection, food and clothing?
>>
>> Of course it is.
>
>Then you truly are unethical, Harrison. I don't know
>of a living soul that wouldn't want to prevent humans
>from being born for such purposes as those.
>[end]
>Derek 2004-07-20
>
>Also, oddly enough, in the very same post where he
>makes this view known to me, he also writes;
>
>"I'm extremely glad that I don't have such a severe
>mental disorder as that [mine]. It would scare me,
>and it should really scare the hell out of you. You
>could very well end up hurting or killing someone
>you care about, if you haven't done so already."
>[my edit]
>
>So there you have it. Harrison thinks it's* extreme
>to want to prevent humans from being born for food,
>clothing and vivisection purposes, and he thinks I'm the
>one with a scary mental disorder. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:21 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:04 am
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"Derek" <derek.RemoveThis@1066ad.com> wrote
> Tell me why the most extreme position is NOT to allow
> the use of humans for food, clothing and vivisection
> purposes at all, Harrison.
I think he means that it's extreme in the sense that it is at one extreme
end of the spectrum of things we allow, i.e., we NEVER morally allow it.
He's just not using the word extreme properly. He may be advocating allowing
it, but I doubt it.
Before you get started, having a prohibition against using humans in this
way does NOT necessarily extrapolate to having a prohibition against using
other animals in this way. >> Stay informed about: Harrison wants to raise humans for vivisection, food and c.. |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:46 am
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Fuckwit David Harrison kller.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:18:51 GMT, Jonathan Ball <jonball.TakeThisOut@whitehouse.not> wrote:
>
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>>Fuckwit David Harrison kller.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com wrote:
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>>>On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:25:00 +0100, Derek <derek.TakeThisOut@1066ad.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Fuckwit David Harrison kller.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Of course it is. What could be more extreme than that?
>>>>
>>>>See; I didn't lie. You don't think it's extreme that I or
>>>>anyone should want to prevent humans from being
>>>>born and raised for vivisection purposes, clothing and
>>>>food.
>>>
>>>
>>> That is an extreme position.
>>
>>No, it isn't, Fuckwit, you colossal dunderhead. It is
>>the normal position. The extreme position is yours:
>>trying to justify the breeding of humans for evil
>>utilitarian purposes. Your position is extreme and
>>evil, Fuckwit.
>>
>>
>>>Any time a person wants to
>>>prevent something entirely, they are taking an extreme
>>>position.
>>
>>You FUCKING IDIOT! You are completely confused between
>>"extreme" and "absolute". Absolute does NOT mean
>>extreme, you GODDAMNED UNEDUCATED PIG-FUCKING HILLBILLY.
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>
> Can you provide info from a respectable source to back up what
> you claim? No. You damn sure can't.
Fuckwit, you may feel this is unfair, but it's just the
way it is: I don't *need* a book or some other
"respectable source". I am an educated person, and you
are not; I know this kind of distinction between words
(and between educated and uneducated persons), and you
do not. You are CONFUSED, Fuckwit, between "extreme"
and "absolute". Normal people - non-extremists -
recognize that it is absolutely wrong to want to breed
humans for food and to serve as subjects in medical
experiments. It is the mainstream position, not an
extreme position. It *is*, of course, an absolute
position.
You are simply wrong, Fuckwit. You have an inferior
education, an even more inferior mind, and you are wrong. >> Stay informed about: Harrison wants to raise humans for vivisection, food and c.. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:15 pm
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:46:11 GMT, Wilson Woods <vârmïnt@frèêdom.úsâ.çøm> wrote:
>Fuckwit David Harrison kller.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:18:51 GMT, Jonathan Ball <jonball.TakeThisOut@whitehouse.not> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Fuckwit David Harrison kller.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:25:00 +0100, Derek <derek.TakeThisOut@1066ad.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Fuckwit David Harrison kller.TakeThisOut@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course it is. What could be more extreme than that?
>>>>>
>>>>>See; I didn't lie. You don't think it's extreme that I or
>>>>>anyone should want to prevent humans from being
>>>>>born and raised for vivisection purposes, clothing and
>>>>>food.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is an extreme position.
>>>
>>>No, it isn't, Fuckwit, you colossal dunderhead. It is
>>>the normal position. The extreme position is yours:
>>>trying to justify the breeding of humans for evil
>>>utilitarian purposes. Your position is extreme and
>>>evil, Fuckwit.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Any time a person wants to
>>>>prevent something entirely, they are taking an extreme
>>>>position.
>>>
>>>You FUCKING IDIOT! You are completely confused between
>>>"extreme" and "absolute". Absolute does NOT mean
>>>extreme, you GODDAMNED UNEDUCATED PIG-FUCKING HILLBILLY.
>>
>>
>> Can you provide info from a respectable source to back up what
>> you claim? No. You damn sure can't.
>
>Fuckwit, you may feel this is unfair, but it's just the
>way it is: I don't *need* a book or some other
>"respectable source".
You mean there is no respectable source Gonad, because
this is just another lie you "ARAs" have created. And the reason
for this lie is to reinforce your insistance that people think of
humans and animals in the same way.
>I am an educated person, and you
>are not; I know this kind of distinction between words
>(and between educated and uneducated persons), and you
>do not. You are CONFUSED, Fuckwit, between "extreme"
>and "absolute". Normal people - non-extremists -
>recognize that it is absolutely wrong to want to breed
>humans for food and to serve as subjects in medical
>experiments. It is the mainstream position, not an
>extreme position. It *is*, of course, an absolute
>position.
>
>You are simply wrong, Fuckwit. You have an inferior
>education,
You can't provide a respectable source, as I said
to begin with.
>an even more inferior mind, and you are wrong. >> Stay informed about: Harrison wants to raise humans for vivisection, food and c.. |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:38 pm
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"Derek" <derek.RemoveThis@1066ad.com> wrote
the reason for conjuring
> up this image of me is that you don't like the situation
> here where the uneducated yobbo can take on and
> make a mug out of the university graduate.
He doesn't think anything of the sort, he is frustrated with the irony that
he can make a complete mug of an uneducated yobbo and being a yobbo, the
yobbo will never realize it. >> Stay informed about: Harrison wants to raise humans for vivisection, food and c.. |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:33 am
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"Dutch" <no.TakeThisOut@email.com> wrote in message
news:10g38c8e00omkbd@news.supernews.com...
> "Derek" <derek.TakeThisOut@1066ad.com> wrote
> the reason for conjuring
> > up this image of me is that you don't like the situation
> > here where the uneducated yobbo can take on and
> > make a mug out of the university graduate.
>
> He doesn't think anything of the sort, he is frustrated with the irony
that
> he can make a complete mug of an uneducated yobbo and being a yobbo, the
> yobbo will never realize it.
>
I had no idea there was such anger amoung vegans. Good luck with
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 1:33 am
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menu boy wrote:
> "Dutch" <no.DeleteThis@email.com> wrote
>> "Derek" <derek.DeleteThis@1066ad.com> wrote
>> the reason for conjuring
>>> up this image of me is that you don't like the situation
>>> here where the uneducated yobbo can take on and
>>> make a mug out of the university graduate.
>>
>> He doesn't think anything of the sort, he is frustrated with the
>> irony that he can make a complete mug of an uneducated yobbo and
>> being a yobbo, the yobbo will never realize it.
>>
> I had no idea there was such anger amoung vegans. Good luck with
> all that.
Which anger were you referring to? and which vegan? I'm not a vegan or a
vegetarian, and Derek is just a garden variety fraud. >> Stay informed about: Harrison wants to raise humans for vivisection, food and c.. |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:39 am
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Dutch wrote:
> "Derek" <derek.TakeThisOut@1066ad.com> wrote
> the reason for conjuring
>
>>up this image of me is that you don't like the situation
>>here where the uneducated yobbo can take on and
>>make a mug out of the university graduate.
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>
> He doesn't think anything of the sort, he is frustrated with the irony that
> he can make a complete mug of an uneducated yobbo and being a yobbo, the
> yobbo will never realize it.
Spot-on. That, and the fundamental lack of honor and
honesty on the part of the yobbo.
I had a recent e-mail exchange with a research
scientist (genetics, mostly mice) who used to
participate here some. He calmly pointed out that
engaging Dreck is an unmitigated waste of time. I've
come to see it's virtually all a waste of time, but
particularly with a tomato can like Dreck. There isn't
even any amusement value in it any more. >> Stay informed about: Harrison wants to raise humans for vivisection, food and c.. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:39 am
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Wilson Woods wrote:
> Dutch wrote:
>> "Derek" <derek RemoveThis @1066ad.com> wrote
>> the reason for conjuring
>>
>>> up this image of me is that you don't like the situation
>>> here where the uneducated yobbo can take on and
>>> make a mug out of the university graduate.
>>
>>
>> He doesn't think anything of the sort, he is frustrated with the
>> irony that he can make a complete mug of an uneducated yobbo and
>> being a yobbo, the yobbo will never realize it.
>
> Spot-on. That, and the fundamental lack of honor and
> honesty on the part of the yobbo.
>
> I had a recent e-mail exchange with a research
> scientist (genetics, mostly mice) who used to
> participate here some. He calmly pointed out that
> engaging Dreck is an unmitigated waste of time. I've
> come to see it's virtually all a waste of time, but
> particularly with a tomato can like Dreck. There isn't
> even any amusement value in it any more.
Very true, the regular ARs are, to a person, certifiable, and anyone who
tries to talk common sense to them not only is talking to the wall, they
just becomes a target for spews. It's wearing pretty thin, I must find a
better pastime. I just got a new game called Chessmaster 9000, maybe I'll
finally fulfil a longtime goal to learn to play a decent game of chess. >> Stay informed about: Harrison wants to raise humans for vivisection, food and c.. |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:16 pm
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<dh_ld.DeleteThis@nomail.com> wrote
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:54:32 -0700, "Dutch" <no.DeleteThis@email.com> wrote:
> >What you actually promote is distasteful enough,
>
> No doubt you would HATE to see people deliberately contribute to
> decent lives for farm animals with their lifestyle.
False, I would LOVE to see people "deliberately" choose free-range and
"Freedom" products over the standard fare.
What you are advocating however is something quite different than
"contributing to decent lives for farm animals". Your position is that
consumers of animal products can take_pride in the fact that farm animals
"experience life" as a result of their consumption habits, it has nothing to
do with "decent lives" per se.
In other words you are asserting that consumption of *any* animal products
is morally superior to consumption of non-animal products based on this
"getting to experience life" factor. This is not an argument, and it's not
ethics, it's a childish and unconscionable game of sophistry. >> Stay informed about: Harrison wants to raise humans for vivisection, food and c.. |
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