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Since: Jun 22, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:13 pm
Post subject: Gourami male(s) question
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From what I've read here and in several books, it appears that most
species of Gourami's have problems when more than one male of the same
species are in the same tank. Since I'd like to have maybe three, maybe
four different species, Pearl, Dwarf, Blue and perhaps Gold:
- is it advisable that I simply go with females (not necessarily wanting
babies but whatever happens, happens...)?
- can there be more than a M/F pair of each species with no problems?
Example: Gold, 1m, 2f - Blue, 1m, 3f, Pearl, 1m 4f etc, a mix in that
sense but only one male of any species.
- if I do go with a male for each species, will those from one species
be aggressive towards those in another species (Blue to Gold, Dwarf to
Pearl or whatever)?
- I "assume" they only breed with those of their own species???
What I've read so far appears to say that (Example) two Blue males might
be aggressive towards each other during breeding, however one Blue male
and one Pearl male would not. Is this valid or is it a male thing in
the entire Gourami family? Obviously I'm wanting to know how I can mix
them w/o problems as I really like how they look - beautiful fish.
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Since: Sep 19, 2007
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:06 am
Post subject: Re: Gourami male(s) question [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"John DeBoo" wrote in message
> From what I've read here and in several books, it appears that most
> species of Gourami's have problems when more than one male of the same
> species are in the same tank. Since I'd like to have maybe three, maybe
> four different species, Pearl, Dwarf, Blue and perhaps Gold:
> - is it advisable that I simply go with females (not necessarily wanting
> babies but whatever happens, happens...)?
You may run into a problem between the blue and the gold since they're the
same fish, just a different color mutation. Females are just as colorful so
I'd get say two gold and two blue female and only one male of either color.
> - can there be more than a M/F pair of each species with no problems?
Don't keep two makes of the same type together.
> Example: Gold, 1m, 2f - Blue, 1m, 3f, Pearl, 1m 4f etc, a mix in that
> sense but only one male of any species.
Only one blue male *or* a gold male, not one of each.
> - if I do go with a male for each species, will those from one species be
> aggressive towards those in another species (Blue to Gold, Dwarf to Pearl
> or whatever)?
Only speaking from my own experience I haven't had the Cosby, Blues or Golds
harass Pearls or Dwarfs etc.
>
> - I "assume" they only breed with those of their own species???
They're unlikely to breed in a community tank.
> What I've read so far appears to say that (Example) two Blue males might
> be aggressive towards each other during breeding,
Not just breeding - all the time.
however one Blue male
> and one Pearl male would not. Is this valid or is it a male thing in the
> entire Gourami family? Obviously I'm wanting to know how I can mix them
> w/o problems as I really like how they look - beautiful fish.
>
> Thanks, John D.
I love Gouramies also. I now have several females and only one male Pearl
and one male Gold and they ignore each other.
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Since: Jun 01, 2007
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:36 am
Post subject: Re: Gourami male(s) question [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Oct 10, 9:26?am, atomweaver wrote:
> John DeBoo wrote innews:c5mdnR6pboatupHanZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com:
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> > From what I've read here and in several books, it appears that most
> > species of Gourami's have problems when more than one male of the same
> > species are in the same tank. Since I'd like to have maybe three, maybe
> > four different species, Pearl, Dwarf, Blue and perhaps Gold:
>
> > - is it advisable that I simply go with females (not necessarily wanting
> > babies but whatever happens, happens...)?
>
> > - can there be more than a M/F pair of each species with no problems?
> > Example: Gold, 1m, 2f - Blue, 1m, 3f, Pearl, 1m 4f etc, a mix in that
> > sense but only one male of any species.
>
> > - if I do go with a male for each species, will those from one species
> > be aggressive towards those in another species (Blue to Gold, Dwarf to
> > Pearl or whatever)?
>
> > - I "assume" they only breed with those of their own species???
>
> > What I've read so far appears to say that (Example) two Blue males might
> > be aggressive towards each other during breeding, however one Blue male
> > and one Pearl male would not. Is this valid or is it a male thing in
> > the entire Gourami family? Obviously I'm wanting to know how I can mix
> > them w/o problems as I really like how they look - beautiful fish.
>
> > Thanks, John D.
>
> I've got a 40 gallon with five Dwarf flame gourami, 2 male 3 female, and
> 4 pearl gourami, 2 male 2 female (plus a few danio and yo-yo loaches). All
> co-habitate well, even during breeding season, although there is a clear
> dominant male in both groups, and occasional nipped fins, as John says that
> falls within each group, no interspecies aggresion.
> Other than having a good amount of floating and planted water sprite, and
> introducing each species to the tank as a group; dwarfs first, Pearls six
> weeks later as juveniles, I'm doing nothing special... Maybe that last is
> part of it..? raising a group from juveniles might help minimize aggression
> as adults.
>
> DaveZ- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
Hey Dave. = )
I wonder if your're not seeing any problems between the 2 species of
Gouramis is because they are both considered pretty docile Gouramis.
I too have had no problems when keeping Powder Blue males in with
Pearl males. Both are pretty laid back gourami types though.
I have to wonder if the story would be quite different when mixing the
more aggressive types, such as the Blue (3 spot) Gourami or it's other
color morph, the Gold gourami.
I know many other type are more on the aggressive side, and there some
other that lean to a more docile attitude.
If JohnD wants to mix them up, I'd stick with the known docile types. >> Stay informed about: Gourami male(s) question |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:52 pm
Post subject: Re: Gourami male(s) question [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Oct 10, 9:36 am, Tynk wrote:
> On Oct 10, 9:26?am, atomweaver wrote:
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> > John DeBoo wrote innews:c5mdnR6pboatupHanZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
> > > From what I've read here and in several books, it appears that most
> > > species of Gourami's have problems when more than one male of the same
> > > species are in the same tank. Since I'd like to have maybe three, maybe
> > > four different species, Pearl, Dwarf, Blue and perhaps Gold:
>
> > > - is it advisable that I simply go with females (not necessarily wanting
> > > babies but whatever happens, happens...)?
>
> > > - can there be more than a M/F pair of each species with no problems?
> > > Example: Gold, 1m, 2f - Blue, 1m, 3f, Pearl, 1m 4f etc, a mix in that
> > > sense but only one male of any species.
>
> > > - if I do go with a male for each species, will those from one species
> > > be aggressive towards those in another species (Blue to Gold, Dwarf to
> > > Pearl or whatever)?
>
> > > - I "assume" they only breed with those of their own species???
>
> > > What I've read so far appears to say that (Example) two Blue males might
> > > be aggressive towards each other during breeding, however one Blue male
> > > and one Pearl male would not. Is this valid or is it a male thing in
> > > the entire Gourami family? Obviously I'm wanting to know how I can mix
> > > them w/o problems as I really like how they look - beautiful fish.
>
> > > Thanks, John D.
>
> > I've got a 40 gallon with five Dwarf flame gourami, 2 male 3 female, and
> > 4 pearl gourami, 2 male 2 female (plus a few danio and yo-yo loaches). All
> > co-habitate well, even during breeding season, although there is a clear
> > dominant male in both groups, and occasional nipped fins, as John says that
> > falls within each group, no interspecies aggresion.
> > Other than having a good amount of floating and planted water sprite, and
> > introducing each species to the tank as a group; dwarfs first, Pearls six
> > weeks later as juveniles, I'm doing nothing special... Maybe that last is
> > part of it..? raising a group from juveniles might help minimize aggression
> > as adults.
>
> > DaveZ- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Hey Dave. = )
> I wonder if your're not seeing any problems between the 2 species of
> Gouramis is because they are both considered pretty docile Gouramis.
> I too have had no problems when keeping Powder Blue males in with
> Pearl males. Both are pretty laid back gourami types though.
> I have to wonder if the story would be quite different when mixing the
> more aggressive types, such as the Blue (3 spot) Gourami or it's other
> color morph, the Gold gourami.
> I know many other type are more on the aggressive side, and there some
> other that lean to a more docile attitude.
> If JohnD wants to mix them up, I'd stick with the known docile types.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I think the old fart John D is sweet on TYNK and wants to toot TYNKs
new dick! Anything to that TYNK............does that old dude John
want to get it on with you......inquiring minds want too know? >> Stay informed about: Gourami male(s) question |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Gourami male(s) question [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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John DeBoo wrote in
> From what I've read here and in several books, it appears that most
> species of Gourami's have problems when more than one male of the same
> species are in the same tank. Since I'd like to have maybe three, maybe
> four different species, Pearl, Dwarf, Blue and perhaps Gold:
>
> - is it advisable that I simply go with females (not necessarily wanting
> babies but whatever happens, happens...)?
>
> - can there be more than a M/F pair of each species with no problems?
> Example: Gold, 1m, 2f - Blue, 1m, 3f, Pearl, 1m 4f etc, a mix in that
> sense but only one male of any species.
>
> - if I do go with a male for each species, will those from one species
> be aggressive towards those in another species (Blue to Gold, Dwarf to
> Pearl or whatever)?
>
> - I "assume" they only breed with those of their own species???
>
> What I've read so far appears to say that (Example) two Blue males might
> be aggressive towards each other during breeding, however one Blue male
> and one Pearl male would not. Is this valid or is it a male thing in
> the entire Gourami family? Obviously I'm wanting to know how I can mix
> them w/o problems as I really like how they look - beautiful fish.
>
> Thanks, John D.
I've got a 40 gallon with five Dwarf flame gourami, 2 male 3 female, and
4 pearl gourami, 2 male 2 female (plus a few danio and yo-yo loaches). All
co-habitate well, even during breeding season, although there is a clear
dominant male in both groups, and occasional nipped fins, as John says that
falls within each group, no interspecies aggresion.
Other than having a good amount of floating and planted water sprite, and
introducing each species to the tank as a group; dwarfs first, Pearls six
weeks later as juveniles, I'm doing nothing special... Maybe that last is
part of it..? raising a group from juveniles might help minimize aggression
as adults.
DaveZ >> Stay informed about: Gourami male(s) question |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:45 pm
Post subject: Re: Gourami male(s) question [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Thanks for your advice. If I can find females that are as colorful as
males then problem solved, otherwise getting them as juveniles as was
also mentioned sounds like a pretty good idea too. Maybe that way
they'll learn to co-habitate (yeah, right!). I like fish moving about
but not if they are going to be picking on each other.
John D.
Reel McKoi wrote:
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> "John DeBoo" wrote in message
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>> From what I've read here and in several books, it appears that most
>> species of Gourami's have problems when more than one male of the
>> same species are in the same tank. Since I'd like to have maybe
>> three, maybe four different species, Pearl, Dwarf, Blue and perhaps
>> Gold:
>> - is it advisable that I simply go with females (not necessarily
>> wanting babies but whatever happens, happens...)?
> You may run into a problem between the blue and the gold since they're
> the same fish, just a different color mutation. Females are just as
> colorful so I'd get say two gold and two blue female and only one male
> of either color.
>> - can there be more than a M/F pair of each species with no problems?
> Don't keep two makes of the same type together.
>> Example: Gold, 1m, 2f - Blue, 1m, 3f, Pearl, 1m 4f etc, a mix in that
>> sense but only one male of any species.
> Only one blue male *or* a gold male, not one of each.
>> - if I do go with a male for each species, will those from one
>> species be aggressive towards those in another species (Blue to Gold,
>> Dwarf to Pearl or whatever)?
> Only speaking from my own experience I haven't had the Cosby, Blues or
> Golds harass Pearls or Dwarfs etc.
>>
>> - I "assume" they only breed with those of their own species???
> They're unlikely to breed in a community tank.
>
>> What I've read so far appears to say that (Example) two Blue males
>> might be aggressive towards each other during breeding,
> Not just breeding - all the time.
>
> however one Blue male
>> and one Pearl male would not. Is this valid or is it a male thing in
>> the entire Gourami family? Obviously I'm wanting to know how I can
>> mix them w/o problems as I really like how they look - beautiful fish.
>>
>> Thanks, John D.
>
> I love Gouramies also. I now have several females and only one male
> Pearl and one male Gold and they ignore each other. >> Stay informed about: Gourami male(s) question |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:50 pm
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"John DeBoo" wrote in message
> Thanks for your advice. If I can find females that are as colorful as
> males then problem solved, otherwise getting them as juveniles as was also
> mentioned sounds like a pretty good idea too.
The females and males are colored very much the same. Both are very
attractive.
Maybe that way
> they'll learn to co-habitate (yeah, right!).
Only until sexual maturity.
I like fish moving about
> but not if they are going to be picking on each other.
That's exactly how I feel. But I have had Blue and Golds that were hard on
the females so beware. If the male gets too crazy you'll have to remove him
or the females. I wouldn't keep Blue or Gold males with females in a tank
smaller than a 30g long. Some Dwarf males also make the females life hell.
--
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