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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:34 pm
Post subject: Gill Fluttering?
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I bought an African Elephant Nose fish today. Neat little guy. I've
read a lot about them in the past week and know enough to keep him
happy.
When I first put him in the tank though (about ten minutes ago) I
noticed a behavior I have never seen before in any fish. The best way I
can describe it is "gill fluttering" basically his gill flaps are
fluttering rapidly back and forth. He isn't showing any (other?) signs
of stress and I know there is plenty of oxygen in the tank so it isn't
a breathing issue. Is this some sort of weird fish signal? This isn't
the same as when fish do their panting thing of pumping the gills to
get water flow over them...this is actual fluttering. Imagine the way
the fin of a knife fish moves - that's exactly what his gills are
doing. And I'm quite sure it is deliberate.
The most theatening fish in the tank is a kuhli loach so I know he
doesn't feel threatened. The tank is fairly well planted with an excess
of hiding places as well so it isn't as if he's stuck out in the open.
Has anyone ever seen this before? If so theories as to the cause would
be welcome. Water quality is fine, 0/0/5, lots of plants caves and
sticks to hide in, no big fish other than my 6" pl*co. I'm not really
worried because I don't think it's a bad sign...just weird.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Gill Fluttering? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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That reminds me - I saw a neat device in the LFS today. It was a clear
tube specifically designed for Elephant noses and other electric-types
of freshwater fish. The tube makes the fish feel safe and hidden, but
it's actually clear so that they can be seen. They think that they are
hiding. I've never seen one in use, though. I wonder if they work?
It was called "No More Hiding" or something along those lines, and came
in various sizes.
- Lisa |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:29 pm
Post subject: Re: Gill Fluttering? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"dfreas" <dfrea001.RemoveThis@odu.edu> wrote in message
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>I bought an African Elephant Nose fish today. Neat little guy. I've
> read a lot about them in the past week and know enough to keep him
> happy.
>
> When I first put him in the tank though (about ten minutes ago) I
> noticed a behavior I have never seen before in any fish. The best way I
> can describe it is "gill fluttering" basically his gill flaps are
> fluttering rapidly back and forth. He isn't showing any (other?) signs
> of stress and I know there is plenty of oxygen in the tank so it isn't
> a breathing issue. Is this some sort of weird fish signal? This isn't
> the same as when fish do their panting thing of pumping the gills to
> get water flow over them...this is actual fluttering. Imagine the way
> the fin of a knife fish moves - that's exactly what his gills are
> doing. And I'm quite sure it is deliberate.
>
> The most theatening fish in the tank is a kuhli loach so I know he
> doesn't feel threatened. The tank is fairly well planted with an excess
> of hiding places as well so it isn't as if he's stuck out in the open.
>
> Has anyone ever seen this before? If so theories as to the cause would
> be welcome. Water quality is fine, 0/0/5, lots of plants caves and
> sticks to hide in, no big fish other than my 6" pl*co. I'm not really
> worried because I don't think it's a bad sign...just weird.
>
> -Daniel
Note that you can easily kill a fish by taking it out of really bad water
(ie: high DOCs, high NO3) and plunk them into perfect water (clean, warm,
as acidic as they like it etc). Within a certain range, water shock is
more lethal than absolute parameters.
I'm not suggesting that this is your case though, just thinking out loud.
My guess would be that the Elephant nose does not necessarily share your
view or confidence in the safety of this new environment. Hopefully he
settles in well.
It would be interesting to see this fluttering. My penchant for
providing them lots of hiding spaces has always limited my observation of
these very unique fish.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 4:53 am
Post subject: Re: Gill Fluttering? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Seems to me like your fish is hyper ventillating because of
stress....remember these fish get stressed SO easily....what i would do is
put a dark sheet to cover about half of the tank so that the fish cant see
you in one half...and as time progresses...slowly move the sheet so it
covers less and less.....
"dfreas" <dfrea001.RemoveThis@odu.edu> wrote in message
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>I bought an African Elephant Nose fish today. Neat little guy. I've
> read a lot about them in the past week and know enough to keep him
> happy.
>
> When I first put him in the tank though (about ten minutes ago) I
> noticed a behavior I have never seen before in any fish. The best way I
> can describe it is "gill fluttering" basically his gill flaps are
> fluttering rapidly back and forth. He isn't showing any (other?) signs
> of stress and I know there is plenty of oxygen in the tank so it isn't
> a breathing issue. Is this some sort of weird fish signal? This isn't
> the same as when fish do their panting thing of pumping the gills to
> get water flow over them...this is actual fluttering. Imagine the way
> the fin of a knife fish moves - that's exactly what his gills are
> doing. And I'm quite sure it is deliberate.
>
> The most theatening fish in the tank is a kuhli loach so I know he
> doesn't feel threatened. The tank is fairly well planted with an excess
> of hiding places as well so it isn't as if he's stuck out in the open.
>
> Has anyone ever seen this before? If so theories as to the cause would
> be welcome. Water quality is fine, 0/0/5, lots of plants caves and
> sticks to hide in, no big fish other than my 6" pl*co. I'm not really
> worried because I don't think it's a bad sign...just weird.
>
> -Daniel
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Gill Fluttering? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Lisa" <pelirojaroja DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> That reminds me - I saw a neat device in the LFS today. It was a clear
> tube specifically designed for Elephant noses and other electric-types
> of freshwater fish. The tube makes the fish feel safe and hidden, but
> it's actually clear so that they can be seen. They think that they are
> hiding. I've never seen one in use, though. I wonder if they work?
> It was called "No More Hiding" or something along those lines, and came
> in various sizes.
I had one, many years ago, for a ghost knife. I was never convinced he was
actually feeling secure in there, so I gave in and put in a proper cave for
him.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:25 pm
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"Angrie.Woman" <spamspameggsbaconandspam.DeleteThis@spam.com> wrote in message
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> "Lisa" <pelirojaroja.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1110424870.270563.288530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> That reminds me - I saw a neat device in the LFS today. It was a
>> clear
>> tube specifically designed for Elephant noses and other electric-types
>> of freshwater fish. The tube makes the fish feel safe and hidden, but
>> it's actually clear so that they can be seen. They think that they
>> are
>> hiding. I've never seen one in use, though. I wonder if they work?
>> It was called "No More Hiding" or something along those lines, and
>> came
>> in various sizes.
>
> I had one, many years ago, for a ghost knife. I was never convinced he
> was actually feeling secure in there, so I gave in and put in a proper
> cave for him.
>
> A
This was my experience with the clear tubes as well.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:18 am
Post subject: Re: Killies in hard water, was osmotic shock & ph, was Re: Gill Fluttering? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Thusly richard DeleteThis @vrx.news (Richard Sexton) Spake Unto All:
>Which fish don't do ok in hard water?
I don't know of any.
As for killies which do well in hard water, I can vouch for
Aplocheilichthys normani, Plataplochilus ngaensis, Fundulopanchax
gardneri and Aphyosemion bitaeniatum, all of which I've had live &
spawn (though the eggs were eaten) in water which is basically liquid
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Killies in hard water, was osmotic shock & ph, was Re: Gill Fluttering? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Richard Sexton" <richard.TakeThisOut@vrx.news> wrote in message
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> >Thanks for the info Richard. There is a standard list of fish we
>>recommend for folks on well water, and it never occured to me to
>>research
>>Killifish which could make that list.
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> Which fish don't do ok in hard water? I understand there may be
> fertilify
> issues with spawning, the calcium ions prevent entry by the spermatazoa
> so a mix of RO/distilled or some other method of softening the water
> may be needed but I can't say I've ever run across a fish that
> would't live normally in hard water.
Discus, Hatchetfish and wild Cardinals to name a few, and bizarrely
female Guppies (that last one was my most recent personal observation
;~), supported by many remaining male Guppies).
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