A Less GAME Pit Bull

I'll say it again....gameness does not equal dog/animal aggression. Yes, an
extremely dog aggressive out in the public would certainly not do any good
to improve the breed's image. But a controlled dog, that may be dog
aggressive, does wonders until someone's loose dog comes a running.

Look....within my club, we have various dogs with varying degrees of dog
aggression. And every year we put from 1-6 dogs in a 20 x 10 booth with
owners and display them for the public. The dogs are completely available
for the public to pet...and the dogs are all within feet of each other, even
the dog aggressive ones. It's called control. At this event there are
generally 30-50 other breed booths, only separated by a 3 ft high curtain.
With other breed clubs not being as vigilant as ours about controlling their
dogs, there are always a dog getting loose, wandering farther down an aisle
or sticking it's nose through the curtain. WE have never had a problem or
even a scuffle between ours dogs or other dogs....but we are dedicated to
not letting it happen. The BTs have had scraps...and I mean BAD PR fights
complete with a touch of blood. The Boxers, Cockers, GSDs, Chows and
Malamutes have all had scuffles within their own booth and dogs.

There is no reason a well trained dog aggressive dog cannot be a positive
public image.....we do it all the time. And for 3 yrs since our first
booking at this event, we have consistantly been the first breed club
invited back. And 4 yrs ago management had to be coaxed into giving us a
chance!! What does that say?!

A game dog is confident in itself, it does not need to be a screaming bashee
as one of my favourite ADBA judges says. A confident dog is strong and
smart and is not a threat to anyone or anything unless a threat is put
forth. Most of my dogs display animal aggression, but only when a threat is
present such as a particular dog here they hate or a roaming stray or
animal. And all of my dogs have been out to public events with other dogs
they do not know.
Sandra

"jacks" <jacks RemoveThis @home.com> wrote in message
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> Would it be so bad if Pit bulls were less GAME? Would they really be
> less of the DOG that they are? To say someone does not need a Pit
> bull because they may not want such a GAME DOG to me makes no sense.
> I am doing everything I can do to try and raise my Buddy the Pit bull
> so that he is not animal aggressive. I have seen many Pit bulls that
> were not animal aggressive and they were a DOG that would change the
> prejudice in almost anyone who has a HATE for these Dogs. When I told
> my Brother I was getting a Pit bull he told me he would never be
> coming to my house again. So be it I said. I think to have one of
> these GREAT Dogs that is social with other animals would be doing this
> GREAT breed a HUGE justice in changing the prejudice against them.
> Why would it be so bad to have these dogs sniffing other dogs butts
> and not wanting to fight?
>
>
> Fair Winds to You
> jacks
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HOWEDY Jacks,

Dogs fight HOWETA FEAR, not confidence.

HOWER DOG LOVERS LOVE FIGHTING
DOGS CAUSE THAT'S THE NATURE OF
A DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD.

The Puppy Wizard. <} ; ~ ) >

"jacks" <jacks.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote in message
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> Would it be so bad if Pit bulls were less GAME? Would they
really be
> less of the DOG that they are? To say someone does not need a
Pit
> bull because they may not want such a GAME DOG to me makes no
sense.
> I am doing everything I can do to try and raise my Buddy the Pit
bull
> so that he is not animal aggressive. I have seen many Pit bulls
that
> were not animal aggressive and they were a DOG that would change
the
> prejudice in almost anyone who has a HATE for these Dogs. When I
told
> my Brother I was getting a Pit bull he told me he would never be
> coming to my house again. So be it I said. I think to have one
of
> these GREAT Dogs that is social with other animals would be
doing this
> GREAT breed a HUGE justice in changing the prejudice against
them.
> Why would it be so bad to have these dogs sniffing other dogs
butts
> and not wanting to fight?
>
>
> Fair Winds to You
> jacks
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HOWEDY carolyn,

"CAROLYN DEESE" midgitdeese.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com
wrote in message
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>
> Jacks, this is not a slap.

This is... HOWEver.

> Just a warning.

BWEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

> Yes some pitbulls are not animal aggressive

A dog is a dog.

> but some are

That's on accHOWENT of MISHANDLING and ABUSE.

> and it doesn't always become apparent in
> those that are until they are three or four years old.

That's on accHOWENT of MISHANDLING and ABUSE.

> I have been told that it could show up in even older dogs.

INDEEDY! BECAUSE OF MISHANDLING and ABUSE.

> My Rachel shows no signs of animal aggression
> but I still refuse to put her in situations where if
> animal aggression should suddenly become a
> problem, she won't get the dirty end of the stick.

You're an incompetent blowhard and coward...

> I realize that some find the way I protect my dogs
> excessive but it is the one way I can be assured
> that there are no incidents that my dogs will have
> to pay the price for.

BWEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

You're full of crap. You don't know HOWE to
pupperly handle and train a dog.

> Although animal aggression is not just
> confined to the pitbulls, but other dogs too,

NO. It's caused by MISHANDLING and ABUSE.

> it is because of their gameness

Dogs fight HOWETA FEAR.

> that the outcome is considerably worse.

You're full of crapola.

> Do I want my dog to be animal aggressive. NO

You got NO CHOICE cause you don't know HOWE
to handle and train your dogs NOT to fight or do any
thing else, for that matter.

> Do I want my dog to lose her gameness.

GAMENESS???

> Again the answer is No.

Oh?

> Why?

That's EZ! Cause you're a liar and dog abuser
or just a plain old MENTAL CASE.

> Because that gameness makes them stronger in
> their lives in general.

That's BULLSHIT. That "gameness" is FEAR.
The Puppy Wizard can PROVE IT in a court of law.

> They face all that life has to offer with a

DOG ABUSER MISHANDLING AND ABUSING THEM...

> tenacity that makes them triumph over the bad
> and make the good better.

YOU'RE FULL OF CRAP.

> Carolyn

Dog abuser...BLOWHARD. COWARD.

A Less GAME Pit Bull

Group: alt.pets.dogs.pitbull
Date: Thu, Oct 23, 2003, 6:51pm (EDT+4)
From: jacks.TakeThisOut@home.com (jacks)

Would it be so bad if Pit bulls were less GAME?
Would they really be less of the DOG that they are?
To say someone does not need a Pit bull because
they may not want such a GAME DOG to me makes
no sense.

I am doing everything I can do to try and raise my
Buddy the Pit bull so that he is not animal aggressive.
I have seen many Pit bulls that were not animal
aggressive and they were a DOG that would change
the prejudice in almost anyone who has a HATE for
these Dogs.

When I told my Brother I was getting a Pit bull he
told me he would never be coming to my house
again. So be it I said. I think to have one of these
GREAT Dogs that is social with other animals
would be doing this GREAT breed a HUGE justice
in changing the prejudice against them.

Why would it be so bad to have these dogs sniffing
other dogs butts and not wanting to fight?

Fair Winds to You
jacks

THAT'S EZ, Jacks. Cause we got DOG ABUSERS,
LIARS, and MENTAL CASES who've RUINED a
nice dog's REPUTATION cause they're COWARDS.

The Puppy Wizard. <} ; ~ ) >
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The only thing that will change ppl's minds is time. Years ago it was the
Dobermans that had a bad rap or the GSD. No one talks about them anymore.
Tim had a German Shepard, Great Dane, and a long haired black lab. The GSD
was the most dog aggressive thing I ever laid eye's on, but it was supper
friendly with ppl. The other 2 would cow down to him so they were never too
bad. So I don't believe a dog that is animal aggressive is a human
aggressive as well. So far as my pit's are concerned I will deal with what
ever comes as far as dog or animal aggression is concerned. I know what my
dog's weaknesses are and am prepared to do what ever I have to, to make sure
I have control over them. Dog aggression and Gameness is part of the
package. Some have more some have less. It don't make me like one more than
the other.
"jacks" <jacks.TakeThisOut@home.com> wrote in message
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> Would it be so bad if Pit bulls were less GAME? Would they really be
> less of the DOG that they are? To say someone does not need a Pit
> bull because they may not want such a GAME DOG to me makes no sense.
> I am doing everything I can do to try and raise my Buddy the Pit bull
> so that he is not animal aggressive. I have seen many Pit bulls that
> were not animal aggressive and they were a DOG that would change the
> prejudice in almost anyone who has a HATE for these Dogs. When I told
> my Brother I was getting a Pit bull he told me he would never be
> coming to my house again. So be it I said. I think to have one of
> these GREAT Dogs that is social with other animals would be doing this
> GREAT breed a HUGE justice in changing the prejudice against them.
> Why would it be so bad to have these dogs sniffing other dogs butts
> and not wanting to fight?
>
>
> Fair Winds to You
> jacks
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Sews

Time is not going to help these dogs, when the people who
own them don't know nothing about what they are getting ,other
than a reputation that has little if anything to do with what a
real pitbull is...With more half breeds and uniformed people
acquiring such before they informed on the breed are forgotten by
the press and the general public this breed is going to be
persecuted for ever

Dogfighters are not the reason pitbulls have showed a increase in
bites and or deaths from a pitbull in recent years...Most pitbull
/ pitbull mixes that end up in the pound or the 6 oclock news are
from people that bought the cute little puppy that turned into a
killer and was left in backyard alone after the humans that owned
it couldn't handle the dog and do not want it anymore because its
animal aggressive, big surprise, it was at least half pitbull
someone told you RIGHT?


"Sew Like Crazy" <samplebe DeleteThis @texas.net> wrote in message
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: The only thing that will change ppl's minds is time. Years ago
it was the
: Dobermans that had a bad rap or the GSD. No one talks about
them anymore.
: Tim had a German Shepard, Great Dane, and a long haired black
lab. The GSD
: was the most dog aggressive thing I ever laid eye's on, but it
was supper
: friendly with ppl. The other 2 would cow down to him so they
were never too
: bad. So I don't believe a dog that is animal aggressive is a
human
: aggressive as well. So far as my pit's are concerned I will
deal with what
: ever comes as far as dog or animal aggression is concerned. I
know what my
: dog's weaknesses are and am prepared to do what ever I have to,
to make sure
: I have control over them


.. Dog aggression and Gameness is part of the
: package. Some have more some have less. It don't make me like
one more than
: the other.


: "jacks" <jacks DeleteThis @home.com> wrote in message
: news:hd9gpv0r421e0fvk3kt5t0493mcmjk13pd@4ax.com...
: > Would it be so bad if Pit bulls were less GAME? Would they
really be
: > less of the DOG that they are? To say someone does not need
a Pit
: > bull because they may not want such a GAME DOG to me makes
no sense.
: > I am doing everything I can do to try and raise my Buddy the
Pit bull
: > so that he is not animal aggressive. I have seen many Pit
bulls that
: > were not animal aggressive and they were a DOG that would
change the
: > prejudice in almost anyone who has a HATE for these Dogs.
When I told
: > my Brother I was getting a Pit bull he told me he would never
be
: > coming to my house again. So be it I said. I think to have
one of
: > these GREAT Dogs that is social with other animals would be
doing this
: > GREAT breed a HUGE justice in changing the prejudice against
them.
: > Why would it be so bad to have these dogs sniffing other dogs
butts
: > and not wanting to fight?
: >
: >
: > Fair Winds to You
: > jacks
:
:
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"jacks" <> wrote in message ...
:
: When did I say you complained about how your dogs act Will?

IN YOUR post you acted like I had .......I let you know I have
not ever complained about my dogs or asked any advice from anyone
in NG about my dogs and will probably never have any reason to...

When did I
: complain how my dog acts?

You said you wanted a butt sniffer did you not? You state again
you want a pitbull, or whatever you call your pet, not to be
animal aggressive..To me this is complaining about something that
is part of what a pitbull is even if its cur bred ...I was also
letting you know game dogs don't act crazy about every animal
they see and my dogs are well behaved around other dogs that they
might see while walking them in public or at the dog shows and
pulls that my pure breds participate in....


I couldn't be happier with the dog that I
: have. Its just I want him to be non animal aggressive and if he
cant
: be this way I wont love him any less as he is part of my family

If you want a non animal aggressive dog than a pitbull is a bad
choice....And you still seem to be bitchin about it...SEE post to
carolyn and reference of buying corvette if you want a four
wheeler its that simple to me...... if I want non aggressive pets
I would get some fish but not piranhas ok Jacks?

.. Same
: as raising a child all a parent can do is try and teach them to
be a
: good person.

It is sooooo far from anything like raising a child to be a good
person Jacks...
Its a breed of dog that if you have done any homework you would
know they are not children......
Your statement makes about as much sense as the fire
extinguisher.....
:

:
:
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It's not a matter of the dog having control...it's a matter of the owner
having control of the dog. Carolyn for example...she chooses not to put her
dogs in any type of situation that would risk a fight but yet they get along
just fine at home so technically she has no reason, other than the breed
history, to assume that they wouldn't be fine elsewhere with other dogs. I
also prefer to not put my dogs at risk...but taking them to a public event
means I have to risk it to promote a positive image of the breed. And I
HAVE TO control the dogs I take in order to do that.

We don't do alot of training around here...basic manners on some and basic
obedience on others. But we know from spending time with each of the dogs
individually and on the yard who is more easily controlled than who.

Give you 2 examples....Harley..my old "goat" of 8. Horribly dog and animal
aggressive. Will protect the property to a small extent and has been the
WATCH dog for 4 yrs now. I say watch because that's what she does..she
watches for anything unusual...barks at the others to get them riled up,
then goes back in her house unless the unusual happening is near her. She
will and has tangled with other dogs when she gets the chance(accidental
loose dogs, strays, and our own yard cat). Yet IF the loose dog happens to
be a puppy..as long as one of us is running behind yelling at her that it's
a puppy, she only pins it to the ground without biting it. And hubby, not
me!!...can walk another dog through her space without having her grab it.
She will stay put barely hovering on the ground but she stays until he tells
her she can go when he is safely past her.

Nipper is has been here a year now...insanely animal aggressive. He will
fence fight with anything that cares to come to close to a kennel divider,
he will fight himself bloody on the fence trying to get to another dog.
There is no control over him like Harley. He is simply not willing to give
up any control. He is also NOT a smart dog about it!! Harley's desire in l
ife is strictly to please us and she is smart..about everything! Had we got
her when she was younger and had we known how smart she was...she would be
titled out the wazoo with all sorts of different things.

I think in order to have control...you have to start with a willing and
smart dog. Some are and have it...others flat out don't.
Sandra

"jacks" <jacks.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote in message
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> Why would it be so hard to respond without insults? I knew exactly
> what I was getting when I decided that I wanted a APBT. Maybe I
> worded it wrong when saying a less game dog but a dog with aggression
> CONTROL as Sandra said. These dogs can be taught control same as any
> dog although the levels of control may vary from dog to dog. Maybe if
> you tryed training your dogs before they were 2 years old Will you
> would know this.
>
> jacks
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jacks <> wrote:

>What was it you seem to think I am confused about Will?
>
>
It would take too long to tell you what you everything you are confused about and
would probably confuse you further..

I will remind one item at a time....

You are the one making these assanine statements and I would expect you to
remember what you write down but it seems you need some help in that department..


#1 I was not the one who wanted less game dogs you were...That was your post
subject that you started RIGHT? Now you are trying to take that back or what? THIS is
what you are confusing me about ...Maybe you should only post about things you know
about so as not to make yourself look so stupid...



#2 I never once have said I have any behavior problems with my dogs....WITHOUT
NAMING NAMES it was others who complained about their dogs and its traits certianly
not me...I am extremely happy with all the traits and behavior my game dogs have YOU
are the one that said he wanted a ass sniffing cur....


I better stop with 2 so you dont get more confused over what statements you
make....If I have misunderstood you than feel free to correct me......
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Hi All,

I think that a Doberman or GSD or Akita etc all had their turns, none of
them are even close to compareable to a pitbull. Even a cur pitbull, I hope
I am using the word in a proper way.
I don't think it will go away. The bad rap.
Because none of the dogs of the past have had the same traits and mentality
as does the pitbull.
My analogy for this is,
pitbull = Great white shark or Eagle
aggressive Doberman/rottweiler/akita etc.= Tiger shark or Hawk

Basically all other dogs are in a different class.

As for controlling animal aggression, it is up to each owner to know what to
look for and to take the proper precautions and steps to prevent accidents
from happening. Responsibility and knowledge is the only thing that can help
to overcome these problems. Whoever is in charge of these affairs would
rather deal with the aftermath rather than take preventative educational
measures.

With so many breeders out there, in the future, it may subside, but what the
dilemma is, is what else will disapear with the gameness and AA.

Also there are different sides to this fence, many want to preserve it and
many want to eliminate the AA out of the dog.
My self, I like the game, but don't like the AA

Theories cannot tell us what will happen to our beloved breed.

Only evolution.


--
Regards,



--
Regards,


"Sew Like Crazy" <samplebe.RemoveThis@texas.net> wrote in message
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> The only thing that will change ppl's minds is time. Years ago it was the
> Dobermans that had a bad rap or the GSD. No one talks about them anymore.
> Tim had a German Shepard, Great Dane, and a long haired black lab. The GSD
> was the most dog aggressive thing I ever laid eye's on, but it was supper
> friendly with ppl. The other 2 would cow down to him so they were never
too
> bad. So I don't believe a dog that is animal aggressive is a human
> aggressive as well. So far as my pit's are concerned I will deal with what
> ever comes as far as dog or animal aggression is concerned. I know what my
> dog's weaknesses are and am prepared to do what ever I have to, to make
sure
> I have control over them. Dog aggression and Gameness is part of the
> package. Some have more some have less. It don't make me like one more
than
> the other.
> "jacks" <jacks.RemoveThis@home.com> wrote in message
> news:hd9gpv0r421e0fvk3kt5t0493mcmjk13pd@4ax.com...
> > Would it be so bad if Pit bulls were less GAME? Would they really be
> > less of the DOG that they are? To say someone does not need a Pit
> > bull because they may not want such a GAME DOG to me makes no sense.
> > I am doing everything I can do to try and raise my Buddy the Pit bull
> > so that he is not animal aggressive. I have seen many Pit bulls that
> > were not animal aggressive and they were a DOG that would change the
> > prejudice in almost anyone who has a HATE for these Dogs. When I told
> > my Brother I was getting a Pit bull he told me he would never be
> > coming to my house again. So be it I said. I think to have one of
> > these GREAT Dogs that is social with other animals would be doing this
> > GREAT breed a HUGE justice in changing the prejudice against them.
> > Why would it be so bad to have these dogs sniffing other dogs butts
> > and not wanting to fight?
> >
> >
> > Fair Winds to You
> > jacks
>
>
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I honestly to a certain extent, evolution of the breed is already underway
and showing us where it's going. Roscoe will likely be able to answer this
better than I since I got involved with the breed at the beginning of the
bad rap.

But fifty years ago the APBT was relevantly unknown by the general public.
When more and more non-game people got the breed (assuming these were
dogmen's culls) and had no knowledge of them, more and more problems arose
such as loose dogs tearing up the neighborhood. And even in the 80's
responsible pet ownership was not a major issue like it is today, and dogs
were still let out the front door loose to wander.

Then the SPCA's and media got involved telling the general public how
horrible this breed was...and the really irresponsible low lifes of the
general public said "I got to get me one of these" and bought them up like
wildfire causing more problems because they believed the media hype and
raised them in that image. Fifty years ago...they were stable loving pets
that happened to be animal aggressive and fighters in the hands of
knowledgable people. Now granted they may not have been doing right, but it
was legal then so we won't get into that discussion.

But think of the last 20 years with the breed. There are people breeding
for size and colour with no regard for temperament or health, there are
people breeding just for the money with no regard for temperament or health,
people breeding for show conformation that have the health issues covered
but may overlook the temperament and of course.....so many people not
concerned with WHO gets the pup and what they are doing with it!

The breed has changed so much..even in my short time with the breed. And
the public image of the breed is as bad as ever! I see more and more ill
tempered dogs both at the shows and on the street...and I hear more and more
from people looking to give up their dog because of whatever stupid reason
and hear about irresponsible owners and breeders all the time.

Personally it saddens me and I don't give a rats' ass what you choose to do
with your dog....as long as you are responsible with it. I don't care if it
has papers, mixed and matched, or what...if YOUR happy with your dog and he
serves the purpose you got him for...then that's PERFECT!!! Just be
responsible, KNOW the history of the breed so that you can be responsible,
and IF you cannot handle it's history or the possibility of what your dog
may eventually do...it is not the right breed for you.
Stepping off the soapbox to make pancakes for dinner and feed my SRB's some
chow and treats.
Sandra

"Russ" <russ(remove)@comcast.net> wrote in message
> Theories cannot tell us what will happen to our beloved breed.
>
> Only evolution.
>Regards,
>Russ
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(Personally it saddens me and I don't give a rats' ass what you choose to do
with your dog....as long as you are responsible with it. I don't care if it
has papers, mixed and matched, or what...if YOUR happy with your dog and he
serves the purpose you got him for...then that's PERFECT!!! Just be
responsible, KNOW the history of the breed so that you can be responsible,
and IF you cannot handle it's history or the possibility of what your dog
may eventually do...it is not the right breed for you.
Stepping off the soapbox to make pancakes for dinner and feed my SRB's some
chow and treats.)

Now that's something I can agree with. I know some things about this breed
because of the fact I made it my business to find out. I don't throw my dogs
out because it gets tough. I personally don't care for the pit fighting
aspect of this breed but it's part of what they were. Not every person that
owns a pit will be as knowledgeable about breeding as others. I believe if
your going to breed them. You should find a mate that will be of good
temperament, and health and maybe of the same line as the one you have
already or a step above. Now as far as Gameness is concerned not all ppl
know for sure if the dog is Game or not. So it would be a little more
difficult to fine one that someone knows for sure they are game to breed
with.That would be a matter of choice as far as I'm concerned. Just like the
Hunter looks for dogs that have the "hunt" in them. not the dog that just
has papers. Their looking for pedigree and quality of dog and what their
ancestor did at hunting. Not just that kind of dog. Now the person that
wants a " lets say" Lab because they like how they look and their
temperament could care less if the dog has the " hunt" in them and their
line they just want a healthy dog. I'm sure someone will have something to
say about that statement, but not everyone is going to think the same as
everyone that owns a pitbull so that's just life in the big city. Enjoy your
pancake Sandra, and eat one for me. LOL
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Damn Russ That was the best post ever..IT did not sound like out of a book....It
sounded like your own words I am almost speechless ALMOST........

I even liked the great white analogy.....
And you changed to comcast?

What do you think of getting a pitbull if you dont want a animal aggressive pet?


WILL


"Russ" <russ(remove)@comcast.net> wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I think that a Doberman or GSD or Akita etc all had their turns, none of
>them are even close to compareable to a pitbull. Even a cur pitbull, I hope
>I am using the word in a proper way.
>I don't think it will go away. The bad rap.
>Because none of the dogs of the past have had the same traits and mentality
>as does the pitbull.
>My analogy for this is,
>pitbull = Great white shark or Eagle
>aggressive Doberman/rottweiler/akita etc.= Tiger shark or Hawk
>
>Basically all other dogs are in a different class.
>
>As for controlling animal aggression, it is up to each owner to know what to
>look for and to take the proper precautions and steps to prevent accidents
>from happening. Responsibility and knowledge is the only thing that can help
>to overcome these problems. Whoever is in charge of these affairs would
>rather deal with the aftermath rather than take preventative educational
>measures.
>
>With so many breeders out there, in the future, it may subside, but what the
>dilemma is, is what else will disapear with the gameness and AA.
>
>Also there are different sides to this fence, many want to preserve it and
>many want to eliminate the AA out of the dog.
>My self, I like the game, but don't like the AA
>
>Theories cannot tell us what will happen to our beloved breed.
>
>Only evolution.
>
>
>--
>Regards,
>
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>"Sew Like Crazy" <samplebe.DeleteThis@texas.net> wrote in message
>news:QK6dnWuL9ZnExgSiRTvUrg@texas.net...
>> The only thing that will change ppl's minds is time. Years ago it was the
>> Dobermans that had a bad rap or the GSD. No one talks about them anymore.
>> Tim had a German Shepard, Great Dane, and a long haired black lab. The GSD
>> was the most dog aggressive thing I ever laid eye's on, but it was supper
>> friendly with ppl. The other 2 would cow down to him so they were never
>too
>> bad. So I don't believe a dog that is animal aggressive is a human
>> aggressive as well. So far as my pit's are concerned I will deal with what
>> ever comes as far as dog or animal aggression is concerned. I know what my
>> dog's weaknesses are and am prepared to do what ever I have to, to make
>sure
>> I have control over them. Dog aggression and Gameness is part of the
>> package. Some have more some have less. It don't make me like one more
>than
>> the other.
>> "jacks" <jacks.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:hd9gpv0r421e0fvk3kt5t0493mcmjk13pd@4ax.com...
>> > Would it be so bad if Pit bulls were less GAME? Would they really be
>> > less of the DOG that they are? To say someone does not need a Pit
>> > bull because they may not want such a GAME DOG to me makes no sense.
>> > I am doing everything I can do to try and raise my Buddy the Pit bull
>> > so that he is not animal aggressive. I have seen many Pit bulls that
>> > were not animal aggressive and they were a DOG that would change the
>> > prejudice in almost anyone who has a HATE for these Dogs. When I told
>> > my Brother I was getting a Pit bull he told me he would never be
>> > coming to my house again. So be it I said. I think to have one of
>> > these GREAT Dogs that is social with other animals would be doing this
>> > GREAT breed a HUGE justice in changing the prejudice against them.
>> > Why would it be so bad to have these dogs sniffing other dogs butts
>> > and not wanting to fight?
>> >
>> >
>> > Fair Winds to You
>> > jacks
>>
>>
>
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Hi Russ good too see you, Thanks for your input I Love the GAME in
any dog and I realize no other dog can equally compare when it comes
to being GAME as the APBT.
jacks







On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:57:03 GMT, "Russ" <russ(remove)@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I think that a Doberman or GSD or Akita etc all had their turns, none of
>them are even close to compareable to a pitbull. Even a cur pitbull, I hope
>I am using the word in a proper way.
>I don't think it will go away. The bad rap.
>Because none of the dogs of the past have had the same traits and mentality
>as does the pitbull.
>My analogy for this is,
>pitbull = Great white shark or Eagle
>aggressive Doberman/rottweiler/akita etc.= Tiger shark or Hawk
>
>Basically all other dogs are in a different class.
>
>As for controlling animal aggression, it is up to each owner to know what to
>look for and to take the proper precautions and steps to prevent accidents
>from happening. Responsibility and knowledge is the only thing that can help
>to overcome these problems. Whoever is in charge of these affairs would
>rather deal with the aftermath rather than take preventative educational
>measures.
>
>With so many breeders out there, in the future, it may subside, but what the
>dilemma is, is what else will disapear with the gameness and AA.
>
>Also there are different sides to this fence, many want to preserve it and
>many want to eliminate the AA out of the dog.
>My self, I like the game, but don't like the AA
>
>Theories cannot tell us what will happen to our beloved breed.
>
>Only evolution.
>
>
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>Regards,
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