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In article <cqut2a$2pg$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, NoSp.TakeThisOut@m.ta says...
> My daughters goldfish appear to be quite happy swimming about in their tank.
> The water is clear; they are not fighting their way through their own
> excrement. I think, to be fair, you have to agree with me that the
> conditions in which they are being kept is a fairly typical scenario in many
> households, and our case, ours have become very tame and appear to be doing
> just fine thanks.
>
Don't worry about it. Seems that 10 gallons per fish is like the Nicene
creed around here - it's a religious issue :-).

It is good advice for someone just starting out.

I once (long ago) kept two goldfish in a 5 or 10 gallon tank. At that
time, the rule was 20 square inches of surface per inch of fish, not
including tails. That one still makes more sense to me, as oxygen
exchange is based on surface area - but I'm not religious about it :-).

BTW, that tank had no filter, no gravel, no lights, and no plants. IIRC,
I did have a piece of glass over the top. And I never tested for
chemicals, just changed at least half the water once a week.

The fish survived several years until my baby sister decided to feed
them by dumping an entire large box of food into the tank - by the time
I found out it was too late.

So I'd say monitor your chemicals and change water to keep them within
limits. If you do that, the fish will, as you say, live to a ripe old
age. They may stay small, or they may outgrow their tank - YMMV.

Is it the optimum environment for them - no. But are you living in an
optimum environment?

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"Larry Blanchard" <lblanch DeleteThis @fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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> In article <cqut2a$2pg$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, NoSp DeleteThis @m.ta says...
> > My daughters goldfish appear to be quite happy swimming about in their
tank.
> > The water is clear; they are not fighting their way through their own
> > excrement. I think, to be fair, you have to agree with me that the
> > conditions in which they are being kept is a fairly typical scenario in
many
> > households, and our case, ours have become very tame and appear to be
doing
> > just fine thanks.
> >
> Don't worry about it. Seems that 10 gallons per fish is like the Nicene
> creed around here - it's a religious issue :-).
>
> It is good advice for someone just starting out.
>
> I once (long ago) kept two goldfish in a 5 or 10 gallon tank. At that
> time, the rule was 20 square inches of surface per inch of fish, not
> including tails. That one still makes more sense to me, as oxygen
> exchange is based on surface area - but I'm not religious about it :-).
>
> BTW, that tank had no filter, no gravel, no lights, and no plants. IIRC,
> I did have a piece of glass over the top. And I never tested for
> chemicals, just changed at least half the water once a week.
>
> The fish survived several years until my baby sister decided to feed
> them by dumping an entire large box of food into the tank - by the time
> I found out it was too late.
>
> So I'd say monitor your chemicals and change water to keep them within
> limits. If you do that, the fish will, as you say, live to a ripe old
> age. They may stay small, or they may outgrow their tank - YMMV.
>
> Is it the optimum environment for them - no. But are you living in an
> optimum environment?
>
> --
> Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

Thank you Larry. We'll continue as is, and keep our eye on them.........long
may they continue to live!

Michelle
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>> My bad, there was actually went to be be a smiley after "giving us a bad
>> name " ;-)
>>
>> Having said that, it's not ideal but hey, it's YOUR fish not mine.
>> I used to keep frogs and sticklebacks in jars :-)
>>
>> Peter

>
> Friends ;-)
>
> Michelle
>
Friends :-)
I don't know what's worse, my typing or my sense of humour

Peter
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you're killing them
"Michelle" <NoSp.RemoveThis@m.ta> wrote in message
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>
> "Larry Blanchard" <lblanch.RemoveThis@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
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>> In article <cqut2a$2pg$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, NoSp.RemoveThis@m.ta says...
>> > My daughters goldfish appear to be quite happy swimming about in their
> tank.
>> > The water is clear; they are not fighting their way through their own
>> > excrement. I think, to be fair, you have to agree with me that the
>> > conditions in which they are being kept is a fairly typical scenario in
> many
>> > households, and our case, ours have become very tame and appear to be
> doing
>> > just fine thanks.
>> >
>> Don't worry about it. Seems that 10 gallons per fish is like the Nicene
>> creed around here - it's a religious issue :-).
>>
>> It is good advice for someone just starting out.
>>
>> I once (long ago) kept two goldfish in a 5 or 10 gallon tank. At that
>> time, the rule was 20 square inches of surface per inch of fish, not
>> including tails. That one still makes more sense to me, as oxygen
>> exchange is based on surface area - but I'm not religious about it :-).
>>
>> BTW, that tank had no filter, no gravel, no lights, and no plants. IIRC,
>> I did have a piece of glass over the top. And I never tested for
>> chemicals, just changed at least half the water once a week.
>>
>> The fish survived several years until my baby sister decided to feed
>> them by dumping an entire large box of food into the tank - by the time
>> I found out it was too late.
>>
>> So I'd say monitor your chemicals and change water to keep them within
>> limits. If you do that, the fish will, as you say, live to a ripe old
>> age. They may stay small, or they may outgrow their tank - YMMV.
>>
>> Is it the optimum environment for them - no. But are you living in an
>> optimum environment?
>>
>> --
>> Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description
>
> Thank you Larry. We'll continue as is, and keep our eye on
> them.........long
> may they continue to live!
>
> Michelle
>
>
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I agree. You are killing them. But your bent on not taking care of them,
the way they need to be.

Kay


Starfish wrote:
> you're killing them
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Moron
"Me@home" <NoSp.RemoveThis@m.ta> wrote in message
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> My daughter was bought a new 45 litre fish tank for her birthday. She has
> now re-housed her three gold fish - she has had these for a number of
> months/years. However, the new filter/ air pump is very very noisy indeed.
>
> Question is: will it harm the fish if this is turned off completely
> overnight? We're talking around 11pm til 8am the next morning?
>
> Thanks in advance for your advice.
>
> Michelle
>
>
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> "Me@home" <NoSp DeleteThis @m.ta> wrote in message
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> > My daughter was bought a new 45 litre fish tank for her birthday. She has
> > now re-housed her three gold fish - she has had these for a number of
> > months/years. However, the new filter/ air pump is very very noisy indeed.
> >
> > Question is: will it harm the fish if this is turned off completely
> > overnight? We're talking around 11pm til 8am the next morning?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your advice.
> >
> > Michelle
> >
> >
>

It's a bad idea...

Just go looking for a pump that is less noisy. "Whisper" brand seems to
be pretty good.
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Om.

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Michelle wrote:
> Thank you Larry. We'll continue as is, and keep our eye on them.........long
> may they continue to live!
>
> Michelle

By all means keep them in that size tank (definitely not ideal) but please do
measure
ammonia, nitrite and nitrate weekly and do 40% weekly water changes (or twice
weekly)
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