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npanko




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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:50 pm
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We have a great pyr/ saint mix. He is 14 months old and we have had him for 6 months. He has been a great dog since we have gotten him. We are able to leave him unattended in the house with no problems (except a few destroyed toys).

We recently started a house renovation. Since this has happened, he has been escaping out house. We went out of town and he jumped out of our windows (through the screens). He even know how to open the windows if they are not locked. Also, he has been getting out of our 6 foot privacy fence. Once he is gone, he wanders with no thought to watch out for cars. I would love to keep my windows open, but he leaves. Any suggestions? We could really use some help!

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Julia Altshuler

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:55 am
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npanko wrote:
> We have a great pyr/ saint mix. He is 14 months old and we have had
> him for 6 months. He has been a great dog since we have gotten him.
> We are able to leave him unattended in the house with no problems
> (except a few destroyed toys).
>
> We recently started a house renovation. Since this has happened, he
> has been escaping out house. We went out of town and he jumped out of
> our windows (through the screens). He even know how to open the
> windows if they are not locked. Also, he has been getting out of our
> 6 foot privacy fence. Once he is gone, he wanders with no thought to
> watch out for cars. I would love to keep my windows open, but he
> leaves. Any suggestions? We could really use some help!


This is a tough one. Roaming is great fun for dogs. Now that he's
discovered how to do it, it's very self-rewarding.


I had a dog once that escaped through screens and broke windows. Once
she was outside, she didn't go far, just found a dog to play with and
hung out. She was perfect when we were home with her, impossible to
contain when we were gone. We tried a crate, and that's what I'm going
to suggest you try first, but it took our Houdini 2 weeks to figure out
how to get out of that.


Eventually, we used a steel cable tie-out for when we couldn't be with
her. Normally, I don't love the idea of tie-outs, but that worked for
our dog. We think she liked being able to see the outside world and
interact with the occasional neighbor who would walk by and pet her.


I'll be interested to hear others' suggestions.


--Lia

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:10 am
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Julia Altshuler wrote:

> He even know how to open the
> > windows if they are not locked. Also, he has been getting out of our
> > 6 foot privacy fence.
>
>
> I'll be interested to hear others' suggestions.

The choices are crating, LOCKING the windows (who leaves their home open
when they aren't home? ACK!), installing a barrier at the top of the
fence (coyote roller, angled topper, etc), and if push came to shove,
window bars.

I'd also be looking at the big picture. Is he intact and looking for
love? Is he exercised? Obedience trained? Structure to his life?
SA? As usual, more questions before answers.

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sighthounds & siberians

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:19 am
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:10:35 -0400, Janet Boss
wrote:

>In article ,
> Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
>> He even know how to open the
>> > windows if they are not locked. Also, he has been getting out of our
>> > 6 foot privacy fence.
>>
>>
>> I'll be interested to hear others' suggestions.
>
>The choices are crating, LOCKING the windows (who leaves their home open
>when they aren't home? ACK!), installing a barrier at the top of the
>fence (coyote roller, angled topper, etc), and if push came to shove,
>window bars.

With a dog that escapes from windows, special precautions have to be
taken, of course. But depending on where one lives, I don't think
it's particularly outrageous to leave windows open or partially open
when not home. I do it all the time.

Mustang Sally
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:22 am
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sighthounds & siberians wrote:
>
> With a dog that escapes from windows, special precautions have to be
> taken, of course. But depending on where one lives, I don't think
> it's particularly outrageous to leave windows open or partially open
> when not home. I do it all the time.


I do too. Since Cubbe has never shown the least inclination to go
through a window, we leave them open in the summer. (There are screens.
They don't fit well and should be replaced.) Crime isn't a problem
much anyway, but if it were, that's what we've got the ferocious scary
barky dog for.


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:23 am
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sighthounds & siberians wrote:

> But depending on where one lives, I don't think
> it's particularly outrageous to leave windows open or partially open
> when not home. I do it all the time.

I suppose not. I have had window locks that have allowed the windows to
be left partially open but locked. I've also left inaccessible (yes,
someone could bring a very tall ladder) upstairs windows open. We tend
to go from cold to hot so damn quickly around here, that we seem to have
few days where we're not using heat or ac!

Of course, I've also cursed that I don't leave windows unlocked when
I've had to break into my own house. I did remedy that need.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:26 am
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In article ,
Julia Altshuler wrote:

> Crime isn't a problem
> much anyway, but if it were, that's what we've got the ferocious scary
> barky dog for.

Maybe THAT is why I have been a window locker! We haven't had many
scary dogs. Lucy and Rudy *do* make a lot of noise though. Still, it
seems like window-open temperatures also are combined with high pollen
counts, so I have very few periods of time where I can have my windows
open. It kind of sucks.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:28 am
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"Janet Boss" wrote in message

> In article ,
> Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
>> He even know how to open the
>> > windows if they are not locked. Also, he has been getting out of our
>> > 6 foot privacy fence.
>>
>>
>> I'll be interested to hear others' suggestions.
>
> The choices are crating, LOCKING the windows (who leaves their home open
> when they aren't home? )

me, no problem.
grew up in an unlocked house.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:44 am
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:22:16 -0400, Julia Altshuler
wrote:

>sighthounds & siberians wrote:
>>
>> With a dog that escapes from windows, special precautions have to be
>> taken, of course. But depending on where one lives, I don't think
>> it's particularly outrageous to leave windows open or partially open
>> when not home. I do it all the time.
>
>
>I do too. Since Cubbe has never shown the least inclination to go
>through a window, we leave them open in the summer. (There are screens.
> They don't fit well and should be replaced.) Crime isn't a problem
>much anyway, but if it were, that's what we've got the ferocious scary
>barky dog for.

We don't have much crime in our town, either, and we have two of the
barkiest greyhounds known to mankind. I think they were so thrilled
with their success in chasing the mailman away every day that they
expanded it to barking every time someone comes to the door. Well,
they're kind of barky anyway; a call for everyone to go outside will
get them started. But there are worse things than dogs that bark when
someone comes to the door.

Mustang Sally
>
>
>--Lia
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:50 am
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:23:16 -0400, Janet Boss
wrote:

>In article ,
> sighthounds & siberians wrote:
>
>> But depending on where one lives, I don't think
>> it's particularly outrageous to leave windows open or partially open
>> when not home. I do it all the time.
>
>I suppose not. I have had window locks that have allowed the windows to
>be left partially open but locked. I've also left inaccessible (yes,
>someone could bring a very tall ladder) upstairs windows open. We tend
>to go from cold to hot so damn quickly around here, that we seem to have
>few days where we're not using heat or ac!

We've got those window locks as well. Unfortunately, our weather also
goes from cold to hot with little in between, although this year we
had a few blissful weeks of open windows and window fans.

>Of course, I've also cursed that I don't leave windows unlocked when
>I've had to break into my own house. I did remedy that need.

Heh. We have a sort of room that was once an added-on screened porch.
We closed it up, insulated it and made it into a kennel room, and now
it's used for storing bird seed, some gardening supplies and as DH's
ham shack. The door opens onto our fenced side yard and you can't
even tell there's door from the street or the front of the house.
We've left that door open from the days when we used it as a kennel
for several foster dogs, and now that we have Mr. Barksalot and his
brother, Mr. Barksmore, we still do. It's handy.

Mustang Sally
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:01 pm
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> We have a great pyr/ saint mix.

My understanding is that Pyrs and other similar livestock guardian
breeds were developed to roam around a large area to intercept trouble
before it gets to the flock/house, so extra measures will probably be
needed to counter their basic nature.

I've used cable tie-outs for short durations (with other breeds), but
their big issue is that they can get tangled around trees/landscaping/
furniture/other dogs/whatever, leaving a dog potentially with no way
to get to water or shade. A well designed trolley setup may be safer
and less likely to tangle.

The big advantage of a covered kennel is that not only does it keep
the dog in, it keeps other stray critters out. It's also easy to add
a tarp, shade fabric (like that used over patios), or a roof using
inexpensive plastic roofing panels. There are other options for
floors besides a concrete slab, including patio blocks and running
chainlink or other fencing horizontally at the base of the main fence,
and burying it some.

For other ideas, look at some of the Malamute rescue sites. They
aren't livestock breeds, but have many of the same escape issues.
They've got a lot of ideas (like 8' fences and ways to secure them)
that may help you.

Hope that helps,
--Glenn Lyford
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:29 pm
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On Jun 10, 1:40 pm, Rocky wrote:
> sighthounds & siberians said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
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> > we have two of the
> > barkiest greyhounds known to mankind.
>
> You've mentioned their barkiness before - I've seen Greyhounds
> play bark, but generally they never struck me as a particularly
> barky breed.  I haven't seen many in their home environment,
> though.

It generally is a very quiet breed, not barky at all. They love to
sing, of course. And if you walk into a racing kennel, you're likely
to be greeted with a lot of barking, particularly if the dogs think
it's anywhere near feeding or turnout time. But most greyhounds in a
home environment do not bark. I happen to be, ah, blessed with two
very unusual greyhounds. A genetic glitch of some sort, I think.

Mustang Sally


>
> --
> --Matt.  Rocky's a Dog.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:07 pm
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Janet Boss wrote:
> The choices are crating, LOCKING the windows (who leaves their home open
> when they aren't home? ACK!),

<shrug> I do. It's still considered "odd" to lock doors around here.

> installing a barrier at the top of the
> fence (coyote roller, angled topper, etc), and if push came to shove,
> window bars.

Some babygates are plastic-coated metal and will fit into an open window.
They might be a low-cost alternative to window bars. A box fan in an open
window might also act as a deterrent (although Ranger's one window escape
included pulling the box fan out of the window before tearing through the
screen).

Add to the choices: build a completely enclosed kennel on a concrete slab.

> I'd also be looking at the big picture. Is he intact and looking for
> love? Is he exercised? Obedience trained? Structure to his life?
> SA? As usual, more questions before answers.

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(Ranger, Duke, Rhia-cat)
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:07 pm
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In article ,
Mary Healey wrote:

>
> Some babygates are plastic-coated metal and will fit into an open window.
> They might be a low-cost alternative to window bars.

And more easily removable as well!

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:07 pm
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HOWEDY mary healey, my MOST FAVORITE
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"Mary Healey" wrote in message

> Janet Boss wrote:
>> The choices are crating, LOCKING the windows (who leaves
>> their home open when they aren't home? ACK!),

Yeah? HOWE abHOWET TRAININ?

> <shrug>

SuppHOWES you freeze like that, mary?

<SNIP IDIOCY>

> A box fan in an open window might also act as a deterrent
> (although Ranger's one window escape included pulling the
> box fan out of the window before tearing through the screen).

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

mary wrote:
"As for the yard, well, Ranger goes walkabout at will and cannot be
allowed outside without supervision. Duke spent a year as an outside
dog; he's developed some inappropriately proprietary feelings about
"his" yard. Just two reasons why unrestricted yard access may not be
suitable for some dogs.

He can be a gentleman, but I can't depend on it."

"I use him as a demonstration dog in obedience classes.
Sam started chasing cars at 10 weeks and never did stop.

Sam ate the complete works of Charles Dickens, a heating
pad, a brand new pair of glasses, a baggie full of metal staples,
and a 3'x3' chunk of the kitchen linoleum. And the plugs off
many of the electrical appliances. And various personal bits
out of every pair of jeans and underwear I possessed."

"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"
"He did learn to control himself,"

Sam is why I'm "allergic" to puppies, but also why I
adore obnoxious adolescent dawgs. I dragged him to
obedience class when he was 6 months old, he dragged
me to obedience class (and agility class, and clicker
training class, and seminars, and show-n-gos, and fun
matches) for the next 4 years.

The world is a safer place now for dirty underwear and
plastic baggies.

I can go back to leaving the laundry basket on the floor.
And the trash cans. And I can remove my watch and set it
down without finding bits of its little crystal carcass in
Sam's crate. I won't have to flush Sam out from under the
dinner table, or eat with hot dogbreath steaming up my leg.

Heck, I still have an ACD who adores all people (also
not "normal" breed behavior!), but he's very breed-
typical in his attempts to control and "police" the
behavior of other dogs.

when Sam was injured in a scrap with Ranger I chose to
treat him at home - without veterinary care. Cost *was*
a consideration. He lost part of one ear, with the usual
impressive spattering of gore."

You mean he was DOG AGGRESSIVE, don't you, mary <{}: ~ ( >

BWEEEAAAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!

"Left to his own devices, he'd be picking fights and
bossing everydoggy. That's why he's not left to his
own devices.

That's why he's not left to his own devices.

I wouldn't take Ranger to a dog park.

I have let him off lead, but only to play fetch
(he's ball obsessed) and never with strange dogs
around.

Ooooooh! SCARY, ain't it!

"My dog has lifted his leg on me several times *in the course
of submissive urination*. I believe that dogs may use
submissive behavior to get their own way just as they use
dominant behavior. For example, a dog that doesn't want
to have its bath may first growl or show its teeth when
you go to get him, and if that doesn't work may submissively
urinate. Or, in my dog's case, the submissive urination
didn't stop me from coming to get him, so he tried a more
assertive statement."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

"I got Sam - of the eaten linoleum, lamp plugs, eyeglasses,
heating pads, books, and metal staples. Sam, the Energizer
Bunny on speed (or so I thought at the time - I've met a few
dogs since then that make Sam look slug-like). Sam of the
3 solid years of obedience classes and hysterical car barking.

Oh, he learned quickly - still does. But he's no angel, even
now that he's a little older and a lot slower.

After Sam, and Noah (a strange dog, even by ACD standards),
and Ranger (a normal, which is to say difficult, ACD), the latest
addition, Duke, is far easier to live with than any of the others.

And I still have absolutely no idea what makes him tick."

"And my Sam dove at the tires of a passing car while on a 6' lead.
He didn't succeed, but that was my level of vigilance and not the
length of the lead. Ratchet the vigilance up a notch, no more "suicide
Sam".

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM~!~!~!

Perhaps you should hire a BEHAVIORIST, eh, mary?

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
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