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pearl

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:58 am
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Ecology Body Warns Of Dangers From Fish Farms
8-13-3

GENEVA (Reuters) -- The explosion in fish farming in
coastal waters around the world is a mounting danger to
the environment and to the survival of wild species, the
conservation organization WWF-International said on
Monday.
...
"The spread of the aquaculture (sea farming) industry
must be controlled to avoid physical damage to coastal
ecosystems and wild species and to lessen negative
environmental impacts on coastal communities," WWF
expert Simon Cripps said.

Farm-free zones and marine protected areas should be
set up around coastlines to protect vulnerable species
and the environment in which they lived.

The statement from the body -- known generally as the
World Wide Fund for Nature but called the World Wildlife
Fund in the United States -- was issued in advance of a
major gathering of industry representatives in Norway on
Tuesday.
...
"The industry, which provides one third of the fish
consumed globally, has been allowed to grow unchecked,
resulting in an increasing number of environmental problems,"
...
In 2002, the WWF said, more than 630,000 farmed salmon
had escaped in Norway alone -- more than the total number
of the already-endangered wild Atlantic salmon spawning in
its rivers.

"Interbreeding with escaped farmed salmon is expected to
alter in wild salmon the unique genetic makeup which allows
them to migrate from freshwater to the ocean and back to
freshwater to spawn," the statement added.

Fish farms on coastlines, the WWF said, can damage the
environment by releasing food waste, pathogens and chemicals
into the water and air. This had already caused damage to the
habitat of other animals and fish in Scotland and Norway.
.....'
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=3257866

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Roy. Just Roy.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:58 am
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"pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message news:<bhd6tl$ebr$1@kermit.esat.net>...

> "Interbreeding with escaped farmed salmon is expected to
> alter in wild salmon the unique genetic makeup which allows
> them to migrate from freshwater to the ocean and back to
> freshwater to spawn," the statement added.

I don't understand. If a farmed salmon cannot migrate back to
freshwater to spawn, then how can it interbreed?

I can see the point if the farms are located on top of the spawning
areas, but the article indicates that the salmon farms are seaward. Am
I mistaken?

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:06 pm
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pearl wrote:

>...
>Fish farms on coastlines, the WWF said, can damage the
>environment by releasing food waste, pathogens and chemicals
>into the water and air. This had already caused damage to the
>habitat of other animals and fish in Scotland and Norway.
>....'
>http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=3257866
>

All man made activity alters nature. Farming turned the Great Plains
into a wheat growing area. Cities and town - even single houses - alter
the naturaral environment. You alter the environment. Pretty much
everything you do and eat alters the natural condition. Without this
alteration you and billions of other people would not be able to live.
If you feel so strongly about it, perhaps you should do away with
yourself in the interest of the forests and streams.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 2:25 pm
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"Werner Hetzner" <whetzner.TakeThisOut@mac.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> pearl wrote:
>
> >...
> >Fish farms on coastlines, the WWF said, can damage the
> >environment by releasing food waste, pathogens and chemicals
> >into the water and air. This had already caused damage to the
> >habitat of other animals and fish in Scotland and Norway.
> >....'
> >http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=3257866
> >
>
> All man made activity alters nature. Farming turned the Great Plains
> into a wheat growing area. Cities and town - even single houses - alter
> the naturaral environment. You alter the environment. Pretty much
> everything you do and eat alters the natural condition. Without this
> alteration you and billions of other people would not be able to live.
> If you feel so strongly about it, perhaps you should do away with
> yourself in the interest of the forests and streams.

Well put.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 7:02 pm
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Roy. Just Roy. wrote:

> "pearl" <tea.TakeThisOut@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message news:<bhd6tl$ebr$1@kermit.esat.net>...
>
>
>>"Interbreeding with escaped farmed salmon is expected to
>>alter in wild salmon the unique genetic makeup which allows
>>them to migrate from freshwater to the ocean and back to
>>freshwater to spawn," the statement added.
>
>
> I don't understand.

Neither does she.

> If a farmed salmon cannot migrate back to
> freshwater to spawn, then how can it interbreed?

That's not really the problem. See
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0616_030616_farmsalmon.html

>
> I can see the point if the farms are located on top of the spawning
> areas, but the article indicates that the salmon farms are seaward. Am
> I mistaken?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:45 pm
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"Roy. Just Roy." <soylent_purple.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:da6fca96.0308131030.20b3bdba@posting.google.com...
> "pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message news:<bhd6tl$ebr$1@kermit.esat.net>...
>
> > "Interbreeding with escaped farmed salmon is expected to
> > alter in wild salmon the unique genetic makeup which allows
> > them to migrate from freshwater to the ocean and back to
> > freshwater to spawn," the statement added.
>
> I don't understand. If a farmed salmon cannot migrate back to
> freshwater to spawn, then how can it interbreed?
>
> I can see the point if the farms are located on top of the spawning
> areas, but the article indicates that the salmon farms are seaward. Am
> I mistaken?

Good point. Farmed salmon do make it into rivers, but they are
less robust and have smaller brains than the wild salmon, who
swim farther upstream to spawn. It has been known for some
time that farm salmon do interbreed with wild populations, so
apparently either some males manage to follow wild females
upstream, or some wild males are remaining downstream with
farmed females to successfully spawn compromised hybrid fish.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:50 pm
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"Jonathan Ball" <jonball DeleteThis @whitehouse.not> wrote in message
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<..>
> > I don't understand.
>
> Neither does she.

He (ball) likes to bluster and whine.
http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:50 pm
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pearl wrote:
> "Jonathan Ball" <jonball.DeleteThis@whitehouse.not> wrote in message
> news:pXv_a.11115$M6.938655@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> <..>
>
>>>I don't understand.
>>
>>Neither does she.
>
>
> He (ball) likes to bluster and whine.

No. I like to point out what a stupid,
pseudo-scientific (ANTI-scientific) airhead you are:

- "inner earth beings"
- "hollow earth"
- that goofy patent for a MANUFACTURED globe
- your helium-inflated number(s) for feed:beef
- rain forest destruction
- Brazil's exports (based on *Argentina's* trade)


You don't know what you're talking about, on anything.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 10:25 pm
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"pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message news:bhe62d$ar$1@kermit.esat.net...
> "Jonathan Ball" <jonball.RemoveThis@whitehouse.not> wrote in message
> news:pXv_a.11115$M6.938655@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> <..>
> > > I don't understand.
> >
> > Neither does she.
>
> He (ball) likes to bluster and whine.
> http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html
>
That page just gets better and better every time I go to it.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2003 11:23 pm
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--
"There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
"Jonathan Ball" <jonball.RemoveThis@whitehouse.not> wrote in message
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> pearl wrote:
> > "Jonathan Ball" <jonball.RemoveThis@whitehouse.not> wrote in message
> > news:pXv_a.11115$M6.938655@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > <..>
> >
> >>>I don't understand.
> >>
> >>Neither does she.
> >
> >
> > He (ball) likes to bluster and whine.
>
> No. I like to point out what a stupid,
> pseudo-scientific (ANTI-scientific) airhead you are:
>
> - "inner earth beings"
> - "hollow earth"
> - that goofy patent for a MANUFACTURED globe
> - your helium-inflated number(s) for feed:beef
> - rain forest destruction
> - Brazil's exports (based on *Argentina's* trade)
>
>
> You don't know what you're talking about, on anything.

Sure, I do, liar ball.
http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:21 pm
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"Derek" <dereknash.RemoveThis@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:bheabl$1n53$1@ID-190488.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message news:bhe62d$ar$1@kermit.esat.net...
> > "Jonathan Ball" <jonball.RemoveThis@whitehouse.not> wrote in message
> > news:pXv_a.11115$M6.938655@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > <..>
> > > > I don't understand.
> > >
> > > Neither does she.
> >
> > He (ball) likes to bluster and whine.
> > http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html
> >
> That page just gets better and better every time I go to it.

Yay, .. but kinda sad that I've been compelled to do it, still,
... in progress. ..
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 2:21 pm
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pearl wrote:

> "Derek" <dereknash.RemoveThis@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:bheabl$1n53$1@ID-190488.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
>>"pearl" <tea.RemoveThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message news:bhe62d$ar$1@kermit.esat.net...
>>
>>>"Jonathan Ball" <jonball.RemoveThis@whitehouse.not> wrote in message
>>>news:pXv_a.11115$M6.938655@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>>><..>
>>>
>>>>>I don't understand.
>>>>
>>>>Neither does she.
>>>
>>>He (ball) likes to bluster and whine.
>>>http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html
>>>
>>
>>That page just gets better and better every time I go to it.
>
>
> Yay, .. but kinda sad that I've been compelled to do it

You're not. You choose to waste your time on the
bucket-o-shit.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 3:29 pm
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"Jonathan Ball" <jonball.DeleteThis@whitehouse.not> wrote in message
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> pearl wrote:
>
> > "Derek" <dereknash.DeleteThis@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:bheabl$1n53$1@ID-190488.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >>"pearl" <tea.DeleteThis@signguestbook.ie> wrote in message news:bhe62d$ar$1@kermit.esat.net...
> >>
> >>>"Jonathan Ball" <jonball.DeleteThis@whitehouse.not> wrote in message
> >>>news:pXv_a.11115$M6.938655@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> >>><..>
> >>>
> >>>>>I don't understand.
> >>>>
> >>>>Neither does she.
> >>>
> >>>He (ball) likes to bluster and whine.
> >>>http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html
> >>>
> >>
> >>That page just gets better and better every time I go to it.
> >
> >
> > Yay, .. but kinda sad that I've been compelled to do it
>
> You're not.

Kinda, but not entirely. lol.

> You choose to waste your time on the bucket-o-shit.

You said it.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 3:29 pm
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pearl wrote:

> "Jonathan Ball" <jonball RemoveThis @whitehouse.not> wrote in message
> news:fRM_a.488$f15.63823@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>
>>pearl wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Derek" <dereknash RemoveThis @btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:bheabl$1n53$1@ID-190488.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>>
>>>
>>>>"pearl" <tea RemoveThis @signguestbook.ie> wrote in message news:bhe62d$ar$1@kermit.esat.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Jonathan Ball" <jonball RemoveThis @whitehouse.not> wrote in message
>>>>>news:pXv_a.11115$M6.938655@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>>>>><..>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't understand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Neither does she.
>>>>>
>>>>>He (ball) likes to bluster and whine.
>>>>>http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That page just gets better and better every time I go to it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yay, .. but kinda sad that I've been compelled to do it
>>
>>You're not.
>
>
> Kinda, but not entirely.

Not at all. It's just another manifestation of mental
illness.

>
>
>>You choose to waste your time on the bucket-o-shit.
>
>
> You said it.

I sure did. The overwhelming majority of the silly
crapola on the page is stuff *you* have said.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:21 pm
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"Jonathan Ball" <jonball.RemoveThis@whitehouse.not> wrote in message
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<..>
> The overwhelming majority of the silly
> crapola on the page is stuff *you* have said.

'R.I.H' is the only thing by me, bucket-o-shit.
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