From: The Puppy Wizard (jhowe2@bellsouth.net)
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Subject: Need A Dog Trainer? Hire A DITCH DIGGER!!!
>Re: electronic fences
Date: 2002-11-25 06:53:20 PST
HOWEDY jo,
jo-wolf RemoveThis @webtv.net (Jo Wolf) wrote in
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> Generally speaking,
Generally speakin is HOWE COME some people
specifically KILL their dogs TO BE FAIR, when
their shock fence makes their dogs shy aggressive
or DEAD. See janet boss's "interested in hearing"
and "my golden retriever bit the ups driver" FOR EXAMPLE.
There's LOTS MOORE examples if you check our archives,
jo. You got any idea HOWE many DEAD DOGS we've
entertained here on rpdb thanks to the shock containment
and citronella spray collars, jo?
You can include liea's dog Cubbe's recent biting and
past escape behavior, and Misty's Peach amongst
many others here as additional SPECIFIC EXAMPLES
of DEAD DOGS thanks to your 'GENERALLY SPEAKIN,'
jo, you miserable dHOWEBLE talker.
> the dealer-installed products are of higher quality
But of course, jo. They're MEDICAL GRADE static like
stimulation devices, not those chintzy shock collars that
set dogs on fire and make them aggressive and run away
from their HOWESES or attack folks when they walk into
their SHOCK ZONE like liea altshuller's dog Cubbe did, jo.
Tell us MOORE about the science of static like
stimulation training, jo?
> than the ones sold by the same companies as
> box kits to install yourself.
ISTHATSOjo? You care to mention the products, jo?
I'd be very interested to know what comPAINies would
sell a shoddy second rate shock device under cover
of their superior quality medical grade static like
stimulation devices, jo?
Got any MOORE info you'd like to SHARE, jo?
> Also,
Ahhh, so, jo. I enjoy our little chit chats, don't you, jo?
> the correct installment is a big plus,
Your PLUS needs a big negative too, jo. You know
your static energy like scientific principles, don't you,
jo?
Exactly what difficulties might we encounter burying
a wire a couple inches underground? That's the extent
of the installation, jo. Just a little pick and shovel work, jo.
Maybe a little landscaping, maybe cuttin a piece of asphalt
or cement to cross a driveway, jo. What's so sophisticated
about INSTALLING a shock fence, jo?
Your pal liea altshuller has one surrounding her HOWES,
and you KNOW she never paid top price for nuthin...
> with dealer service for various forms of malfunction.
INDEED, jo? You expect a lot of various forms of malfunction,
do you, jo? What kinds of MALFUNCTION do you spupose we
might encounter, jo? You spupose the dog might not appreciate
his shock collar not shocking him when he needs to be hurt
because his molester is too stupid to learn HOWE to train him
to want to stay on his territory with his pack, without HURTIN
him, jo?
What about your alphalpha trainin, jo? Doesn't that train
a dog to want to stick around his HOWES and protect
his ALPHA?
> It's a classical case of "you get what you pay for".
Whatever you say, jo. I like to think of it as the death of
an industry of abusers and thieves, jo. HOWE do you
like that, for a MALFUNCTION? You got your hands full
trying to justify your abuse doubletalk and bullshit, and
tryin to prove you're a dog trainer and dog lover, jo.
In fact, I'd say you're about outta business, jo.
> Some of the off-the-shelf products from unheard-of
> brands are very por quality.
Sez who, jo? The SHOCK COLLAR SALESMAN sellin the
competing product, jo? You're a freakin imbecile, jo.
> But the best quality,
You mean the BEST QUALITY of PAIN INFLICTING DEVICE,
jo? What's the BEST got to offer in terms of PAIN that the
WORST can't compete with, jo?
HOWE COME a dog lover and trainer would WANT to HURT
a dog they was trying to train to want to do everything we ask?
> most appropriate equipment,
You mean most appropriate PAIN inflicting device, jo?
HOWE COME you got to HURT DOGS to train them,
jo? Not everybody NEEDS to HURT their dogs to train
them to love and respect them, jo.
Only incompetent lying dog abusing Thug Cowards
HURT dogs and try to get out calling THAT, training, jo.
> installed by the best technician
You mean a professional DITCHDIGGER, jo?
> and the dog carefully trained to the boundaries
Using PAIN FEAR and FORCE, jo? What's to be
CAREFUL about when you're HURTIN a dog,
*BESIDES* *GETTIN* *BAGGED* *AS* *A* *DOG*
*ABUSER*, jo?
> STILL does NOT assure that the dog stays inside
> the fence line
Because you're HURTIN him, for starters, jo. Dogs don't
LIKE to stay where they're being HURT, jo. Would YOU
stay where you were being HURT, jo?
HOWE COME YOU'RE STILL POSTIN HERE, jo?
Perhaps being exposed as an incompetent doubletalking
blowhard dog abusing Thug coward doesn't SURPRISE
OFFEND or HURT you or your like minded pals, eh jo?
> and does NOT protect the dog from wandering dogs,
Seems to me (only based on the histories in our archives) jo,
that dogs got lots MOORE to worry about from their dog
loving owners and pet professionals like YOU, jo, than any
maurauding preadators they'll likely come arosss in their
own backyards no matter where in the whole wide world
they're subject to exposure to our DOG LOVERS and
EXPERT TRAINERS, like YOU, jo.
> wandering kids
I don't see a whole lot of kids runnin amok trying to
shock their dogs to make them want to be with them
and stay at their HOWESES, jo. Them's dog lovers we
got to worry about hurting dogs, not kids, jo. Unless
maybe them kids are raised and trained by dog lovers
like you and our rpdb Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Thug
Cowards, jo.
> and wandering dog thieves.
Dogs can be trained to retreat to their dog HOWESES
or to protect their puperty from THIEVES, jo. Dogs are
regularly trained to ATTACK thieves, jo.
> Jo Wolf
Just like they're regularly trained to attack children
they'd been playing with in their own HOWESES as
they approach their SHOCK ZONE, and attack known
guests, and the UPS driver, and run away from their
HOWESES, exactly as in the EXAMPLES above, jo.
> Martinez, Georgia
HOWE long you gonna keep this bullshit up, jo?
HOWEDY edgar s,
"Edgar S." <edgar_sim RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "USA" <yeethao RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > How do you train a Miniature Pinscher so that
> > they will not run away?
That's EZ. You can train that in a few minutes over a
couple of days.
> You can't.
YOU can't, edgar s. My FREE Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual students perimeter train their dogs to
stay in their yards in a few minutes over a couple of
days AND train a 100% reliable come command in
about one hour.
> roaming is a genetic trait.
Stupidity is a genetic trait. Lying is a character defect.
> Basically, one has to breed for
> a tendency to stay close to the owner.
Basically, I'd say you're a fruitcake.
> All I can recommend for you is to fence your yard,
> and keep your dog on a leash when the outside the gate.
BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!
Hi, Jerry.
I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).
For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').
Best, ben
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"misty" <Momisty RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
> Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no
> collars.
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
> come back in the yard and would run for days. The
> last time, Peach didn't come back home.
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to
> train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
> minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the
> yard.
> She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her
> from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we
> walk around the yard.
> I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
> electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
> The price was too high:-(
> ~misty
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"misty" <Momisty RemoveThis @webtv.net> wrote in message
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> I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
> not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss.
> I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you
> write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a
> shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay
> home. Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping
> my dogs in their own yard.
> Once I started using the e-fence...well, then my concern became
how
> to keep them from running off for days on end.
> I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-
> shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
> I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now
> <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
> doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
> the time. IOW a great companion and friend.
> Thanks Jerry!
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<"Terri"@cyberhighway
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
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Dave Cohen <cohen1 RemoveThis @total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.
I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.
I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!
I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry!
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"melisande" <melisande55 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on
> your website,
It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.
> but it already worked miracles with our three dogs.
Excellent.
> The barking at the door has diminished so much
> that, well, frankly, we're stunned.
My methods work faster than any others, anywhere at
any price, including the thirty five level of medical grade
static like stimulation devices and pronged spiked pinch
choke collars our "experts" here love so much.
> We were sort of on the same page with you to begin
> with (no crates, no choke chains).
Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only the way they're
misused.
> A lot of what you say reminds of my dad's techniques
> (he's an 84 year old dog lover,one of those about whom
> people say, "dogs really like him." He's
> never had a badly behaved dog.
Good. I've got a lot in common with folks who are gentle
and treat animals kindly.
> We'd never heard of the noise emphasis,
You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.
> but the overall plan makes great sense.
Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent post
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain HOWE the
distraction and praise process works from his POV as an
experience handler using my methods.
> I did have a question. The hardest part for us to
> implement is the verbal praise only.
Why? That should be spontaneous and in association
with every glance towards you and every thought.
> It's so hard not to pet and stroke the dog (especially
> our seven month old).
Oh. Pattng is O.K., only not in conjunction with a
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.
> Can you give me the rationale behind that?
It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.
As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.
> It will help me modify my own behavior.
Any time your dog is close enough to be patted is
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a
command or thought we want him to process.
> Anyway, your approach is amazing.
Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are as
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.
> Melisande
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Jeremy writes:
"A customer recently purchased a Shiba Inu and I suspect
she may be in for a wild ride. This is a breed that I suspect
may respond particularly well to mutual respect style
training.
The alpha complex (as I now call it) is likely to
really provoke the dog's naturally competitive nature.
Thanks 1000 times for opening my eyes and don't let
those assholes get you down. I can't be the only person
that sees the sense in your methods. I'm in Windsor,
Ontario, Canada and pass your info to anyone it might
help" Thanks, Jeremy.
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From: Becky (BeckySiz@new.rr.com)
Subject: Re: Crate Anxiety
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2002-04-04 12:56:23 PST
Try Jerry Howe's training manual and check out his Doggy
Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo
Or Two Did Too) machine....it is for this.
Please do not listen to the others in here that don't like
him or his methods, they have never tried them....I have
and it works!!!!
I broke my dog from nipping almost 100% in 1 day and
she usually does this SEVERAL times a day and actually
makes my kids bleed!
Try it or contact him! The manual is at the above website
also, and it is free!
Becky
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"Anthony Testa" <testa52601 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago with my
> lovely wife
< snip horror story >
> Listen to this...My wife wrote one of the so called know it
> all of pets. His response to the exact letter we initially
> wrote to Jerry..."Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I'll
> save this person embarrassment by not saying the name.
> However, you know who you are and I have this to say to you.
> Go pump gas or bus tables because you sir, do not belong
> working with animals!
> Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group,
> I can't for the life of me understand why this many people
> are so dang blind or ignorant.
> You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my
> friend are a life saver!!!
> Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your
> product, you have my number. We would gladly talk to them.
> Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you...
> Anthony & Linda Testa
> Jacksonville, Florida
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"Hoku Beltz" <hoku RemoveThis @rsphawaii.com> wrote in message
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> Aloha Sunny,
> Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter
> how insignificant some of the step seem to be and your pupy
> will be a very well behaved dog in a few days.
> I would seriously consider backing out of the training
> classes as they will conflict with the Wit's End principles.
> I went the training route first, and still had problems
> until I found Wits' End. Now I have two "new and
> improved" dogs.
> You won't be dissapointed if you follow the program.
> Good luck,
> Hoku
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----- Original Message -----
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo
Aloha Jerry,
Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.
Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!
Hoku
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"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes RemoveThis @easynews.com wrote
in message
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I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a
bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert
my dominance and "make the dog earn everything it
gets."
I tried this once or twice, just by taking a stern
tone of voice, and the results were terrible.
The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from
me.
That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE
Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the fact
that Jerry is an all-around great guy.
The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this:
make yourself the center of your puppy's world -
- his personal Lord Jesus. Never give him a reason
to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck
out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.
This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do
anything I want her to, if she understands, because
she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more
important in her world than her relationship
with me.
http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Charlie
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Dear Jerry-
I just wanted to let you know how wonderful your Doggy Do
Right product is. I was skeptical at first, but have been
tremendously pleased.
As you know, we had a neighbor's dog that was extremely
bothersome, at times barking loudly for 3 hours straight.
Within a few days, the barking decreased, and now it is just
the occasional bark. this dog lives approximately 500 feet
away, and even at that distance, the machine has done wonders.
You were always available and patient to answer my
questions, and now I can be in my own home without going
nuts from the barking. As an added pleasure, all the other
minor barking nuisances in the neighborhood have stopped
as well.
Quiet is wonderful! Thank you.
Pam Graves
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----- Original Message -----
From: George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D.
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: [GVS]doggydoright
I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the
"doggiedoright"device.
If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to
quieten thedogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal
present for them - andhe will sell it at a discount.
He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense at
all about money. Nice, nice man.
"doggydoright" may be obtained from jhowe2 RemoveThis @bellsouth.net
I now have four locations at which the thing has worked,
so I recommend it.
Yap yap yap no more! I have zero financial interest in this.
George
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Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686)
Phone: 1-888-WITSEND (1-888-948-7363)
http://www.doggydoright.com
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