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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:32 pm
Post subject: Doberman Questions
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I have an opportunity to obtain a near three year old female Doberman, rust
color, from an owner who is moving to another location which prevents
continued ownership of the dog. Frankly, I was not expecting much, but was
surprised to see a purebred dog, in healthy condition, cropped ears, docked
tail (a bit short perhaps), nails trimmed, coat without a flaw, and a rather
rambuctious and playful attitude. A few pounds overweight, which the owner
admitted. The dog sniffed us after some warning barks when we came to the
door, but quickly warmed up to us, giving us licks, and loving any
scratching I could give her. The dog has an AKC number, on paperwork that
has what appears to be an official gold AKC stamp on the lower left corner.
There was an abundance of other paperwork on lineage, which I did not have a
chance to go through. The owner bought the dog as a puppy.
I always wanted a Doberman, and having had experience with show Dalmatians
for 12 years, feel we are somewhat experienced in dog handling. We even got
one Dalmatian to do quite well with commands and obedience.
I would like to hear any suggestions on what I should be looking for to make
sure this dog holds no surprises. I asked about barking, being alone,
behavior with other animals, kids (dog was fine with owner's toddler). We
do not need a show dog, but also want to have a good representative example
of a purebred Dobe.
I welcome any and all comments.
Thank you. - Phil |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:49 am
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after 12years 'experience he "even got one dog to do quite well with
commands and obedience"
that robin is where my problem lies and it was not incoherant.
if you take the dobermann on phil then do start some classes with your
dog,they need the excercise and mental stimulation.
i am not a troll ive seen all this before and i hope this story ends a
happy one with me proven wrong,whatever you chose phil make sure you go
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:49 pm
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"shelly" <scouvrette DeleteThis @bluemarble.net> wrote in message:
> oh man, is she ever purty. Dobes are one of those breeds that
> are not exactly perfect for me, but that i really, really
> like, and would seriously consider living with if one landed
> in my lap.
In all this time, I have met exactly one that I didn't like. And he was
more a reflection on the owner than anything else. That man just did not
understand the concept of personal space, and neither did the dog. At least
the dog was still young; don't know what the owner's excuse was. I'm not
sure how many ways there are to interpret having anyone and everyone you are
speaking with back away from you constantly.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:55 pm
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shelly <scouvrette RemoveThis @bluemarble.net> said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
> oh man, is she ever purty. Dobes are one of those breeds that
> are not exactly perfect for me, but that i really, really
> like, and would seriously consider living with if one landed
> in my lap.
Same here. I [heart] Dobies and Rotties, but other breeds work
out better for my lifestyle. It works out well that I get paid
to spend time with breeds I like but will probably never own.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:58 pm
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"Suja" <spanaval RemoveThis @scs.gmu.edu> said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
> That man just did not
> understand the concept of personal space, and neither did
> the dog.
Friday teaches personal space well, at least with goofy nekkid
dogs. I'm not sure how he'd do with goofy nekkid dogs' owners.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:08 pm
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Our level of experience is not as you believe. Dalmatians are very active,
don't generally have long attention spans, and can be challenging to train.
BOTH Dalmatians were well trained, one more than the other. Of the two, one
was the recipient of considerable effort, resulting in people constantly
marveling at her level of odedience. Staying in a lay position, 100 feet
away with the owner out of sight for long periods of time, with intentional
distractions by other dogs, people, noises, etc. is not something your
average Dalmatian will do without an extensive training effort. The other
Dalmatian, also a show dog, was not given this level of training, but the
basic sit, lay, heel, etc., were all well mastered by this dog very early
on.
The Doberman we looked at is goofy and playful. She needs more training, as
her energy is not well controlled or channeled. Given our experience with
the Dalmatians, I think we can do this.
- Phil
"dallygirl" <kwickwick.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> after 12years 'experience he "even got one dog to do quite well with
> commands and obedience"
> that robin is where my problem lies and it was not incoherant.
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>
> if you take the dobermann on phil then do start some classes with your
> dog,they need the excercise and mental stimulation.
> i am not a troll ive seen all this before and i hope this story ends a
> happy one with me proven wrong,whatever you chose phil make sure you go
> into this with your eyes open.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:11 am
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Robin Nuttall <robinjn.DeleteThis@mchsi.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
> Just a general FYI, dobes pretty much need a
> stop on a contact, and they tend to jump beautifully but
> big--too much air. So learning to collect and jump round is
> something she'll probably need to do as she gets older.
At 9 months we're doing 10" jumps and varying the distance
instead of the height. I love this Dobie handler - she
understands that height is not the issue, it's mostly about
*how.*
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:14 am
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Rocky wrote:
> Robin Nuttall <robinjn.TakeThisOut@mchsi.com> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
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>>Just a general FYI, dobes pretty much need a
>>stop on a contact, and they tend to jump beautifully but
>>big--too much air. So learning to collect and jump round is
>>something she'll probably need to do as she gets older.
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> At 9 months we're doing 10" jumps and varying the distance
> instead of the height. I love this Dobie handler - she
> understands that height is not the issue, it's mostly about
> *how.*
>
You probably already know this and I'm not wanting to preach to the
choir, but a good tight wrap around a jump is also definitely something
to work on. And dobes can fool you. Look for subtle signs of
stress--sometimes they don't show much until they have a sudden
meltdown. Viva had a meltdown on dogwalks three YEARS after first
learning to do them, and all that time with nary a sign of lack of
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:39 am
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Robin Nuttall <robinjn DeleteThis @mchsi.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
> You probably already know this and I'm not wanting to
> preach to the choir, but a good tight wrap around a jump is
> also definitely something to work on.
Yes, but thanks for the heads up. If this was my dog, I'd be
emphasizing some things more often. For example, coming to
side, or hand, something I always give to students as homework.
Weekly one hour agility group classes are not the best way,
especially if stuff isn't followed up at home.
> And dobes can fool
> you. Look for subtle signs of stress--sometimes they don't
> show much until they have a sudden meltdown.
I don't usually accept dogs this young (9 months), though I make
exceptions. Most new handlers don't understand that it's not
the physical age of the dog, but the mental.
Younger dogs are welcome if a handler is experienced and/or I
believe that they'll pay attention to me when I say their dog
requires some down time. That I know this particular dog fairly
well goes a long way, too. I started Friday in classes right
after I got him at 7 months old. To me, it was fairly obvious
that half an hour in a large class was the limit of his
attention span.
> Viva had a
> meltdown on dogwalks three YEARS after first learning to do
> them, and all that time with nary a sign of lack of
> confidence. Go figure.
Did you ever figure it out?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:07 pm
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ok now that my 'writing style' has been well and truely trounced and
danced all over i will take it on board and try to go back and have a
go at making it a bit more 'understandable'.
i must say this in my defence i am NOT an idiot i am however suffering
from cognitive dysfunction which melinda, means that although in one
sence of the word my mind could be described by ppl,sorry people as
being disorganised but in actual fact simply means im different.
im sorry if being different offends you all so but what would i know im
an idiot.
when im typing and its the same as when i talk i need to get it all out
very quickly or it all goes and unfortunatly i wont remember what it
was i wanted to say for a good few hours,as i have to get it out so
quick of course there will be a few spelling mistakes.
also i am aware that a good few of you are from the states so a small
part of my apparent crime is caused by the fact there are some spelling
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:16 pm
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Rocky wrote:
> Robin Nuttall <robinjn.TakeThisOut@mchsi.com> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
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>>Viva had a
>>meltdown on dogwalks three YEARS after first learning to do
>>them, and all that time with nary a sign of lack of
>>confidence. Go figure.
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> Did you ever figure it out?
>
Yep. She was my first agility dog so was put on full height equipment
right away (cringe). She's got so much drive that her drive carried her
through a lot of stuff, especially at trials. But I think that bothered her.
For years, though we had seen 12' dogwalks at trials and she had done
them flawlessly and with speed, we only had an 8' at home. Then we got a
12'. And one day I put her on it, and it was just a regular training day
and she wasn't in trial adrenalin. And she froze. Solid. I had to lift
her off.
I then had to go back and retrain the 12' dogwalk from scratch,
including lowering it, backchaining, etc. It didn't take that long, but
I think the fear had always been there, and finally came out when she
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:18 pm
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dallygirl wrote:
> phil
> thankyou for clearing that up,that one line i quoted sprang out at me
> plus the fact (and im sure you must hear it) "oh dals are really hard
> to train as they are so 'scatty" it just drives me nuts,but its got to
> be the same in most breeds there will always be an untruth about them
> to drive an owner nuts :)
>
> i know i did go into a rant but i didnt see it as incoherant,incoherant
> is my friend in the evening ;D
Your refusal to use sentence case and punctuation, as well as your
frequent misspellings and general poor writing skills makes you look
like an idiot, and you really looked like one here.
If you would write in sentences and capitalize it would make a huge
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:18 pm
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Robin Nuttall <robinjn RemoveThis @mchsi.com> composed these thoughts and posted them
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> If you would write in sentences and capitalize it would make a huge
> difference in how you're perceived here.
>
What about accepted members who NEVER use capital letters? Is this a good
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:18 pm
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Janet B <janet.DeleteThis@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> composed these thoughts and
posted them news:v10ft15efv3cc1kr2bsd13ahd57jk46g5s@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:24:01 -0600, diddy <diddy.DeleteThis@diddy.net>, clicked
> their heels and said:
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>>>
>>What about accepted members who NEVER use capital letters? Is this a
>>good ol girls club?
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> yes. Matt is an honorary girl.
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>
Matt uses caps. I just don't understand those who make a federal case
over caps, when it has nothing to do with dogs. This forum is not
alt.english.essays.
There is a regular member who posts here who can do no wrong, dominates
this group. No one dares to criticise her for fear of being victim of
her forked tongue. Her serious lack of manners, and absence of caps does
not lead to criticism. So it must be that critical posts about other's
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:18 pm
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:24:01 -0600, diddy <diddy.DeleteThis@diddy.net> wrote:
>Robin Nuttall <robinjn.DeleteThis@mchsi.com> composed these thoughts and posted them
>news:RUKBf.723586$x96.89151@attbi_s72:
>> If you would write in sentences and capitalize it would make a huge
>> difference in how you're perceived here.
>>
>What about accepted members who NEVER use capital letters? Is this a good
>ol girls club?
Diddy, I know you're referring to shelly here, and you'll probably
accuse me of being a member of the nonexistent pirhana cabal when I
say this, but here it is anyway: There is no comparison between
dallygirl's writing skills/style and shelly's writing skills/style.
Since shelly is capable of using punctuation and separating ideas into
sentences, the fact that she doesn't usually capitalize does not
interfere with most readers' ability to understand what she's saying.
The same cannot be said for dallygirl, unfortunately.
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