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Since: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:26 pm
Post subject: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. Archived from groups: alt>pets>parrots>budgerigars (more info?)
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Since: Apr 09, 2005 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:05 pm
Post subject: Re: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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There are many causes for Splaying of the legs. Some have said it is due to
deficiencies in the diet. From my experiences, it happens more when it's
cold. The hen sits too hard on the chick causing it's legs to splay.
Typically the legs are splayed back with no bend to the joint. Single and
dual spaying are also possible. There are other factors also associated,
but it happens, hopefully not too often.
There are ways to correct the splaying, if caught early enough, but it's not
guarantied to work all the time. You can search or ask an exhibition
breeder. Let me know if you need further explanation.
Typically brother to sister inbreeding causes smaller birds in Exhibition
budgies or sometimes feather dusters (a form of down syndrome in budgies).
Splaying may not always be a direct result of such pairings. Most
Exhibition breeders will pair Son/Mother, Father/Daughter,
Half-Brother/Sister, Uncle/niece, etc., that is called Line breeding. The
key is not to pair identical genes, like Brother/Sister. Half of the genes
must be different, even if it's only 1/4 of the whole.
"Tao Shan" <taoshan.DeleteThis@blueSPAMyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> What are the more common deformaties in budgies that result from a
breeding
> pair that are too closely related? I am particularly interested in
accounts
> of lower limb (leg and hip) problems.
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> >> Stay informed about: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. |
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Since: Dec 15, 2004 Posts: 108
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:21 am
Post subject: Re: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Joseph Wind"...
> Exhibition breeders will pair Son/Mother, Father/Daughter,
> Half-Brother/Sister, Uncle/niece, etc., that is called Line breeding.
What sort of effect does this have? What if multiple generations have this
sort of inbreeding? Does that cause problems?
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Stephen Oakes >> Stay informed about: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. |
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Since: Jul 06, 2003 Posts: 12
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:38 pm
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There are positive and negative effects.
Positive: the traits that the Exhibition breeders want are preserved, i.e.
Variety (Inos, Clearbody, Rec. Pied, Lacewings, and other Rares), Size, and
other features.
Negative: Infertility, Feather dusters, throwbacks (reverse mutation or
shrinking), etc.
Most Champion breeders are constantly out-crossing, to counter the negative
mutations.
"Stephen Oakes" <soakes1 RemoveThis @XXXbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> "Joseph Wind"...
> > Exhibition breeders will pair Son/Mother, Father/Daughter,
> > Half-Brother/Sister, Uncle/niece, etc., that is called Line breeding.
>
> What sort of effect does this have? What if multiple generations have
this
> sort of inbreeding? Does that cause problems?
>
> --
> Stephen Oakes
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> >> Stay informed about: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. |
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Since: Nov 06, 2004 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:48 pm
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"Joseph Wind" <jpg.RemoveThis@gif.org> wrote in message
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: There are many causes for Splaying of the legs. Some have said it is due
to
: deficiencies in the diet. From my experiences, it happens more when it's
: cold. The hen sits too hard on the chick causing it's legs to splay.
: Typically the legs are splayed back with no bend to the joint. Single and
: dual spaying are also possible. There are other factors also associated,
: but it happens, hopefully not too often.
:
: There are ways to correct the splaying, if caught early enough, but it's
not
: guarantied to work all the time. You can search or ask an exhibition
: breeder. Let me know if you need further explanation.
:
: Typically brother to sister inbreeding causes smaller birds in Exhibition
: budgies or sometimes feather dusters (a form of down syndrome in budgies).
: Splaying may not always be a direct result of such pairings. Most
: Exhibition breeders will pair Son/Mother, Father/Daughter,
: Half-Brother/Sister, Uncle/niece, etc., that is called Line breeding. The
: key is not to pair identical genes, like Brother/Sister. Half of the
genes
: must be different, even if it's only 1/4 of the whole.
Joseph,
Thank you and regards...
TS >> Stay informed about: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. |
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Since: Mar 27, 2005 Posts: 38
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:52 am
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"Joseph Wind" <jpg.TakeThisOut@gif.com> wrote in message
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> There are positive and negative effects.
>
> Positive: the traits that the Exhibition breeders want are preserved, i.e.
> Variety (Inos, Clearbody, Rec. Pied, Lacewings, and other Rares), Size,
> and
> other features.
>
> Negative: Infertility, Feather dusters, throwbacks (reverse mutation or
> shrinking), etc.
>
> Most Champion breeders are constantly out-crossing, to counter the
> negative
> mutations.
>
>
They don't constantly out-cross. An out-cross is normally brought in every
6-7 years in a good line bred stud. >> Stay informed about: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. |
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Since: Jul 06, 2003 Posts: 12
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:19 pm
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"usamistreatbirds" <usamistreat.birds RemoveThis @hereonthe.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > Most Champion breeders are constantly out-crossing, to counter the
> > negative
> > mutations.
> >
> >
> They don't constantly out-cross. An out-cross is normally brought in every
> 6-7 years in a good line bred stud.
>
>
I'm going to split hairs with you, but any competitive Champion breeder is
always looking to improve their line, if they want to stay on top. 6-7
years is practically the lifetime of most Exhibition budgies. Their
fertility is usually between 1-3 years of age. Also 6-7 years is about 5
generations, that's a lot of inbreeding. >> Stay informed about: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. |
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Since: Mar 27, 2005 Posts: 38
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:34 pm
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"Joseph Wind" <jpg DeleteThis @gif.com> wrote in message
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> "usamistreatbirds" <usamistreat.birds DeleteThis @hereonthe.net> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > Most Champion breeders are constantly out-crossing, to counter the
>> > negative
>> > mutations.
>> >
>> >
>> They don't constantly out-cross. An out-cross is normally brought in
>> every
>> 6-7 years in a good line bred stud.
>>
>>
>
> I'm going to split hairs with you, but any competitive Champion breeder is
> always looking to improve their line, if they want to stay on top. 6-7
> years is practically the lifetime of most Exhibition budgies. Their
> fertility is usually between 1-3 years of age. Also 6-7 years is about 5
> generations, that's a lot of inbreeding.
>
>
LINE-BREEDING, there is no need to in-breed even as long as 7 years. I have
been a champion for many many years. >> Stay informed about: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. |
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Since: Dec 15, 2004 Posts: 108
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:43 pm
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Since: Mar 27, 2005 Posts: 38
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:46 pm
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"Stephen Oakes" <soakes1.TakeThisOut@XXXbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> "usamistreatbirds" <usamistreat.birds.TakeThisOut@hereonthe.net> wrote...
>> I have been a champion for many many years.
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> Come on, there's no place for false modesty here.
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> --
> Stephen Oakes
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Nothing false, just the truth. >> Stay informed about: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:00 am
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:56 am
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To each his own.
"usamistreatbirds" <usamistreat.birds RemoveThis @hereonthe.net> wrote in message
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> "Stephen Oakes" <soakes1 RemoveThis @XXXbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> > "usamistreatbirds" <usamistreat.birds RemoveThis @hereonthe.net> wrote...
> >> I have been a champion for many many years.
> >
> > Come on, there's no place for false modesty here.
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Oakes
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> >
> Nothing false, just the truth.
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> >> Stay informed about: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:04 am
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OK good luck with that.
"usamistreatbirds" <usamistreat.birds RemoveThis @hereonthe.net> wrote in message
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> "Joseph Wind" <jpg RemoveThis @gif.com> wrote in message
> news:THY6e.8960$jd6.2782@trnddc07...
> > "usamistreatbirds" <usamistreat.birds RemoveThis @hereonthe.net> wrote in message
> > news:CTM6e.7850$C2.4520@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> >> >
> >> > Most Champion breeders are constantly out-crossing, to counter the
> >> > negative
> >> > mutations.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> They don't constantly out-cross. An out-cross is normally brought in
> >> every
> >> 6-7 years in a good line bred stud.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I'm going to split hairs with you, but any competitive Champion breeder
is
> > always looking to improve their line, if they want to stay on top. 6-7
> > years is practically the lifetime of most Exhibition budgies. Their
> > fertility is usually between 1-3 years of age. Also 6-7 years is about
5
> > generations, that's a lot of inbreeding.
> >
> >
> LINE-BREEDING, there is no need to in-breed even as long as 7 years. I
have
> been a champion for many many years.
>
> >> Stay informed about: Deformaties resulting from inbreeding. |
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