Dachshunds- six breeds

J1Boss said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

>>I have one of my
>>own- a miniture wirehair named Whitney.
>
> I've gotta say that the first time I met one (about a
> decade ago or so), I was instantly smitten. If I wanted a
> Dachshund, they would be my choice - absolutely adorable.

Yup, when a breed comes wirehaired or with a rougher coat, I
usually prefer that variety, the JRT especially.

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"Rachel Wirth" <rmwstar7.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I haven't seen a lot in these groups on dachshunds. I have one of my
> own- a miniture wirehair named Whitney. Yes, she is AKC registered
> and bred, and became a champion in October of 1995. She is now 10
> years old. She jumps on the couch (which is probably not a great idea
> due to their back problems, but she has been doing it her whole life)
> and she does have alergies, especially in the spring.
>
> Most people have not seen wirehair dachshunds- they are the ones that
> look like they have a beard. When their hair is not groomed properly
> (you have to pluck it) sometimes people get them confused with
> longhairs.
>
> Since I used to show and breed these dogs, I believe that there should
> be 6 different breeds. The first through third would be standards in
> the 3 different coats: smooth, wirehair, and longhair. The fourth
> through sixth would be minitures in the 3 coats. It is very difficult
> for minitures to compete against standards in dog shows. I am aware
> that they might not have been split up to make sure that the quality
> does not decrease and everyone that owns a dachshund brings it to a
> show. It also has to do with the amount of points that you receive
> based on how many dogs are in your class to make a champion. I do,
> however, feel as though spliting the breed would create more interest
> and quality, and with this create plenty of opportunities to have your
> show dog become a champion.

Why would you want to create a separate breed per coat? IME the coat
doesn't matter but the size does so making two breeds, Standard & Miniature,
seems logical. I think the personality of the two sizes differs slightly
also, adding weight to the argument to create 2 separate breeds. I don't
think I can agree with creating separate breeds by coat type though.

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BTW, I know judges aren't supposed to be blatantly biased but some are,
otherwise many breeders wouldn't purposely avoid showing under certain
judges. I'd be guilty as sin as a judge, or would want to be anyway. I'd
place a Min. long-haired dapple every time. I'd probably place a
wire-haired over a smooth or long-haired black & tan or red as well. I just
think they are much better looking dogs. Good thing I'm not a judge :)

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"Rachel Wirth" <rmwstar7.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I haven't seen a lot in these groups on dachshunds. I have one of my
> own- a miniture wirehair named Whitney. Yes, she is AKC registered
> and bred, and became a champion in October of 1995. She is now 10
> years old. She jumps on the couch (which is probably not a great idea
> due to their back problems, but she has been doing it her whole life)
> and she does have alergies, especially in the spring.
>
> Most people have not seen wirehair dachshunds- they are the ones that
> look like they have a beard. When their hair is not groomed properly
> (you have to pluck it) sometimes people get them confused with
> longhairs.
>
> Since I used to show and breed these dogs, I believe that there should
> be 6 different breeds. The first through third would be standards in
> the 3 different coats: smooth, wirehair, and longhair. The fourth
> through sixth would be minitures in the 3 coats. It is very difficult
> for minitures to compete against standards in dog shows. I am aware
> that they might not have been split up to make sure that the quality
> does not decrease and everyone that owns a dachshund brings it to a
> show. It also has to do with the amount of points that you receive
> based on how many dogs are in your class to make a champion. I do,
> however, feel as though spliting the breed would create more interest
> and quality, and with this create plenty of opportunities to have your
> show dog become a champion.

I am no expert in dachshunds, I've never stopped to look at dachshunds at
shows for more than a few seconds either, so anyone who knows more feel free
to correct the mistakes I've made.
The impressions I have gotten is however that in the FCI countries the
dachshunds are classified into 9 different sub-breeds. There are the
standards, the mini and what atleast in finnish is called the "rabbit"-
size, that one being the smallest. Then there are the three different kinds
of coats, smooth, long and wirehaired. I beleive that the different kinds
are not mixed, but puppies born from two standard size parents that doesn't
grow big enough to be shown as standard, can be shown and registered as a
mini. The dogs are measured before being shown, and the circumference of the
ribcage is what puts them into the different cathegories.

Rosa
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"Rachel Wirth" <rmwstar7.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I haven't seen a lot in these groups on dachshunds. I have one of my
> own- a miniture wirehair named Whitney. Yes, she is AKC registered
> and bred, and became a champion in October of 1995. She is now 10
> years old. She jumps on the couch (which is probably not a great idea
> due to their back problems, but she has been doing it her whole life)
> and she does have alergies, especially in the spring.
>
> Most people have not seen wirehair dachshunds- they are the ones that
> look like they have a beard. When their hair is not groomed properly
> (you have to pluck it) sometimes people get them confused with
> longhairs.
>
> Since I used to show and breed these dogs, I believe that there should
> be 6 different breeds. The first through third would be standards in
> the 3 different coats: smooth, wirehair, and longhair. The fourth
> through sixth would be minitures in the 3 coats. It is very difficult
> for minitures to compete against standards in dog shows. I am aware
> that they might not have been split up to make sure that the quality
> does not decrease and everyone that owns a dachshund brings it to a
> show. It also has to do with the amount of points that you receive
> based on how many dogs are in your class to make a champion. I do,
> however, feel as though spliting the breed would create more interest
> and quality, and with this create plenty of opportunities to have your
> show dog become a champion.

I also prefer the Wirecoats Rachel and especially the minis. I hear what you
are saying although I'm not sure splitting the bunch up into different
"breeds" would be the proper thing to do. How about the minis being in the
Toy Group?
If you are still a member of any Dachshund clubs, I'm wondering if others
feel the same as you. It's certainly something I had never considered
before. Interesting.
EGD
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"Christy" <easily.amused.TakeThisOut@gtenospam.net> wrote in
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> I'm guessing this person used the wrong terminology - what she really
> wants is the 6 coat types/sizes to be separate VARIETIES. You know,
> like in Cockers, they show black, solid and particolor as three
> different classes for judging, so the buff dogs don't compete in the
> same class as the black dogs, but they could be interbred as they are
> still the same breed.

The only concern I would have, personally, is if they do separate the
sizes (they are already separated by coat type), would it be harder to
get majors? I have no idea how hard it is to get majors in Dachsies right
now, but I think that would make it worse.

> It would definitely not benefit the Dachshund
> breed to have the types become separate breeds, like the Belgian
> breeds, because that would severely constrain the gene pools.

I agree totally.


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When the ancient war dogs did battle on Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:49:33 GMT,
Abby Pennington <liltkdgrl RemoveThis @shoesaol.com> did speak the following bit
of wisdom:

>The only concern I would have, personally, is if they do separate the
>sizes (they are already separated by coat type), would it be harder to
>get majors?

I can't be absolutely certain, but I am under the assumption that AKC
is no longer allowing Breed Varieties or allowing the separation of
existing breeds into Varieties. YMMV though...

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onewaits.TakeThisOut@netscape.net wrote in news:1666031758343f0d63954225d1f19882
@news.teranews.com:

> I can't be absolutely certain, but I am under the assumption that AKC
> is no longer allowing Breed Varieties or allowing the separation of
> existing breeds into Varieties. YMMV though...

Could you explain a little? Do you mean, for example, changing Powder
Puff Chinese Cresteds and "regular" Cresteds into two varieties, which
they are not right now? Or do you mean taking breeds that already have
varieties and putting them back into one breed? I have not heard anything
about the latter. I was just in attendance of a Dachshund specialty, and
the different coats were still separated.


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Abby Pennington wrote:

> I was just in attendance of a Dachshund specialty, and
> the different coats were still separated.
>
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> -Abby
>
> Pems, Aussie, and a Pug
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I wish I could have seen that. Do you have friends
that are showing Dachshunds? I have never seen
the wire coated ones in person.

Gwen
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"Abby Pennington" <liltkdgrl.TakeThisOut@shoesaol.com> wrote in message
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> onewaits.TakeThisOut@netscape.net wrote in news:1666031758343f0d63954225d1f19882
> @news.teranews.com:
>
> > I can't be absolutely certain, but I am under the assumption that AKC
> > is no longer allowing Breed Varieties or allowing the separation of
> > existing breeds into Varieties. YMMV though...
>
> Could you explain a little? Do you mean, for example, changing Powder
> Puff Chinese Cresteds and "regular" Cresteds into two varieties, which
> they are not right now? Or do you mean taking breeds that already have
> varieties and putting them back into one breed? I have not heard anything
> about the latter. I was just in attendance of a Dachshund specialty, and
> the different coats were still separated.
>
>

You should note that all the breeds of which the AKC split into showing
varieties (that is, there are separate classes, points and championships for
each variety) are breeds which were part of the AKC near the beginning. At
that time (late 19th/early 20th centuries) there were less than 40-50 breeds
in the AKC. As the AKC added breeds in the next decades, the head honchos
realized that having separate classes/points/championships for varieties was
cumbersome and decided that all breeds should be single entities. So if the
Chinese Crested, for example, had joined the AKC way back in 1900, it
probably would be two varieties for showing purposes. All the powderpuffs
would show against each other for points and all the hairless show against
each other for points. One powderpuff would be named BOV and go to group and
one hairless would be named BOV and go to group. There would be no BOB
Chinese Crested at an all breed show (can only do BOB of variety breeds at a
separate specialty). However, since the Chinese Crested joined in the 1990s,
the two varieties, powderpuff and naked, complete against each other for
points and only one Chinese Crested BOB, powderpuff or hairless, will go to
group.

Even though the AKC is no longer permitting varieties in new breeds, there
are no plans to change variety showing in old-timer breeds. The AKC loves
tradition and the folks who have variety breeds would raise such a stink.
Thus the Dachshund will continue to be one breed with three varieties in
group. As a person with a variety breed I like the situation but realize
that it doesn't seem fair to those with latecomer breeds.

Chris and her Collie, Variety Smooth, Pablo
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Gwen Watson <gwen.RemoveThis@ig.utexas.edu> wrote in news:40487BE7.570CA383
@ig.utexas.edu:

> I wish I could have seen that. Do you have friends
> that are showing Dachshunds? I have never seen
> the wire coated ones in person.

No, it was held in conjuntion with the Toy and Pug specialties.



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Abby Pennington wrote:

> Gwen Watson <gwen RemoveThis @ig.utexas.edu> wrote in news:40487BE7.570CA383
> @ig.utexas.edu:
>
> > I wish I could have seen that. Do you have friends
> > that are showing Dachshunds? I have never seen
> > the wire coated ones in person.
>
> No, it was held in conjuntion with the Toy and Pug specialties.
>
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>
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I see. So you saw all sizes, colors and fur types?

Gwen
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Abby Pennington <liltkdgrl.RemoveThis@shoesaol.com> wrote in news:pk02c.24$802.18659
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> conjuntion with

Um, conjunction.
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