Culliing Grey Squirrels

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>> lets start culling the human populace first.
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> And top posters ;)

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In article <1163015802.7617.1 RemoveThis @damia.uk.clara.net>,
BAC <casswalk RemoveThis @NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:


> Can you please explain why you believe "we need to preserve our native
> wildlife"?

We could contrast the semantics of 'preserve' and 'conserve', but I think I
need to have these around simply because I want to. That is enough for me.

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"Robert Seago" <rjseago RemoveThis @zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <1163015802.7617.1 RemoveThis @damia.uk.clara.net>,
> BAC <casswalk RemoveThis @NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> > Can you please explain why you believe "we need to preserve our native
> > wildlife"?
>
> We could contrast the semantics of 'preserve' and 'conserve', but I think
I
> need to have these around simply because I want to. That is enough for
me.

Fair enough, and thanks, but it was the OP's opinion I was querying. She
'knew' we needed to 'preserve our native wildlife' and I wondered where that
certainty had come from.
>
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> In article <1163015802.7617.1.TakeThisOut@damia.uk.clara.net>,
> BAC <casswalk.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>> Can you please explain why you believe "we need to preserve our native
>> wildlife"?

Grey squirrels are NOT our native wildlife, they were imported from the
americas by some idiot who then released them into the wild.

Alan
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On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:57:22 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
<alan.holmes.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote:

>
>> In article <1163015802.7617.1.DeleteThis@damia.uk.clara.net>,
>> BAC <casswalk.DeleteThis@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Can you please explain why you believe "we need to preserve our native
>>> wildlife"?
>
>Grey squirrels are NOT our native wildlife, they were imported from the
>americas by some idiot who then released them into the wild.
>
>Alan
>

It is beyond dispute that the grey squirrel species in this country
originated from America but it is also beyond dispute that individual
greys born here are natives of this country. .

When a grey squirrel is shot or poisoned it is not the "species" that
is being killed - it's a native individual.



Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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Never the less, the species is not native to these islands, however
many generations have been born here. As several other posters have
pointed out, this is a pest species and I for one have no compunction
at all about wiping out the species in its entirety (or as much as is
possible), by killing - swiftly and humanely, in which category I would
not include the use of warfarin - individual AGS.

There is no ecological niche here for AGS to fill, unlike the red
squirrel which has been filling its niche very nicely for milennia.


amacmil304 RemoveThis @aol.com wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:57:22 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
> <alan.holmes RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >> In article <1163015802.7617.1 RemoveThis @damia.uk.clara.net>,
> >> BAC <casswalk RemoveThis @NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Can you please explain why you believe "we need to preserve our native
> >>> wildlife"?
> >
> >Grey squirrels are NOT our native wildlife, they were imported from the
> >americas by some idiot who then released them into the wild.
> >
> >Alan
> >
>
> It is beyond dispute that the grey squirrel species in this country
> originated from America but it is also beyond dispute that individual
> greys born here are natives of this country. .
>
> When a grey squirrel is shot or poisoned it is not the "species" that
> is being killed - it's a native individual.
>
>
>
> Angus Macmillan
> www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
> www.killhunting.org
> www.con-servation.org.uk
>
> All truth passes through three stages:
> First, it is ridiculed;
> Second, it is violently opposed; and
> Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
> -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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On 11 Nov 2006 02:46:08 -0800, "Gwyddno" <Ieithgi DeleteThis @googlemail.com>
wrote:

>Never the less, the species is not native to these islands, however
>many generations have been born here.

It's not the "species" that's being slaughtered. It's individuals
born and bred in this country and therefore natives of the UK.

Do you consider that people born here with ancestors of ethnic origin
are not British?

>As several other posters have
>pointed out, this is a pest species

Only by those who see it as such.

>and I for one have no compunction
>at all about wiping out the species in its entirety (or as much as is
>possible), by killing - swiftly and humanely, in which category I would
>not include the use of warfarin - individual AGS.

So will you pay for it? Or do you expect others who disagree with you
to pay for it rather than have the money used for more beneficial
purposes such as improving the NHS etc.

>
>There is no ecological niche here for AGS to fill, unlike the red
>squirrel which has been filling its niche very nicely for milennia.
>

Of course there is. The grey is doing very well thus found their own
niche. And do remember that in the 19th century reds were almost
extinct in Scotland because they were regarded as "pests" and
slaughtered in their thousands by gamekeepers who referred to them as
"tree rats". The ancestors current population were then introduced
from elsewhere.


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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"Alan Holmes" <alan.holmes.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
> > In article <1163015802.7617.1.TakeThisOut@damia.uk.clara.net>,
> > BAC <casswalk.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Can you please explain why you believe "we need to preserve our native
> >> wildlife"?
>
> Grey squirrels are NOT our native wildlife, they were imported from the
> americas by some idiot who then released them into the wild.
>

I'm surprised at you, merrily crossposting like this.

I'm well aware of the fact grey squirrels are a 'naturalised' species, as
opposed to one which was indigenous here, thanks - my original question was
aimed at finding out why the OP believed that there was a need to preserve
'native' wildlife.
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"BAC" <casswalk.DeleteThis@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Alan Holmes" <alan.holmes.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> > In article <1163015802.7617.1.DeleteThis@damia.uk.clara.net>,
>> > BAC <casswalk.DeleteThis@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Can you please explain why you believe "we need to preserve our native
>> >> wildlife"?
>>
>> Grey squirrels are NOT our native wildlife, they were imported from the
>> americas by some idiot who then released them into the wild.
>>
>
> I'm surprised at you, merrily crossposting like this.
>
> I'm well aware of the fact grey squirrels are a 'naturalised' species, as
> opposed to one which was indigenous here, thanks - my original question
> was
> aimed at finding out why the OP believed that there was a need to preserve
> 'native' wildlife.

Because if you do not, you lose species/races/sub-species/variants that are
specific to where you live or which are endangered globally.
There is not much that is endemic to the UK but what is, is precious. Over
here, in Ireland we have had native oakwoods wrecked by introduced
Rhododendrons. We end up losing the most species rich habitat in the
country if we do not do something about it. Hence large programmes aimed at
clearing out the rhodos.

>
>
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"Des Higgins" <dazzhiggins.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "BAC" <casswalk.RemoveThis@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Alan Holmes" <alan.holmes.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:SI55h.19312$r4.11567@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> >>
> >> > In article <1163015802.7617.1.RemoveThis@damia.uk.clara.net>,
> >> > BAC <casswalk.RemoveThis@NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Can you please explain why you believe "we need to preserve our
native
> >> >> wildlife"?
> >>
> >> Grey squirrels are NOT our native wildlife, they were imported from the
> >> americas by some idiot who then released them into the wild.
> >>
> >
> > I'm surprised at you, merrily crossposting like this.
> >
> > I'm well aware of the fact grey squirrels are a 'naturalised' species,
as
> > opposed to one which was indigenous here, thanks - my original question
> > was
> > aimed at finding out why the OP believed that there was a need to
preserve
> > 'native' wildlife.
>
> Because if you do not, you lose species/races/sub-species/variants that
are
> specific to where you live or which are endangered globally.
> There is not much that is endemic to the UK but what is, is precious.

But why is it 'precious'?
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On 11 Nov 2006 02:46:08 -0800, "Gwyddno" <Ieithgi RemoveThis @googlemail.com>
wrote:

>Never the less, the species is not native to these islands, however
>many generations have been born here. As several other posters have
>pointed out, this is a pest species and I for one have no compunction
>at all about wiping out the species in its entirety (or as much as is
>possible), by killing - swiftly and humanely, in which category I would
>not include the use of warfarin - individual AGS.
>
>There is no ecological niche here for AGS to fill,

90% of the range for greys is completely devoid of reds. Reds would
not habitate it even if they were so inclined. Greys don't need a
niche. Reds do!¬

> unlike the red
>squirrel which has been filling its niche very nicely for milennia.

No it hasn't. It died out here long ago. These are imports of an
otherwise common species elsewhere. Don't let your ignorance show!

>
>
>amacmil304@aol.com wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:57:22 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
>> <alan.holmes RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> In article <1163015802.7617.1 RemoveThis @damia.uk.clara.net>,
>> >> BAC <casswalk RemoveThis @NOSPAMdircon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Can you please explain why you believe "we need to preserve our native
>> >>> wildlife"?
>> >
>> >Grey squirrels are NOT our native wildlife, they were imported from the
>> >americas by some idiot who then released them into the wild.
>> >
>> >Alan
>> >
>>
>> It is beyond dispute that the grey squirrel species in this country
>> originated from America but it is also beyond dispute that individual
>> greys born here are natives of this country. .
>>
>> When a grey squirrel is shot or poisoned it is not the "species" that
>> is being killed - it's a native individual.
>>
>>
>>
>> Angus Macmillan
>> www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
>> www.killhunting.org
>> www.con-servation.org.uk
>>
>> All truth passes through three stages:
>> First, it is ridiculed;
>> Second, it is violently opposed; and
>> Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
>> -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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