HOWEDY liea,
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> I am bursting with pride over my little girl.
Well liea, perhaps your anti psychotic medications
need rotating? Have you discussed your mood swings
with your P-Doc?
> As you all know, Cubbe does not deal
> well with intruders on her territory
You mean with invited guests in your HOWES,
even those she's known all her life, like your
only best friend whom she attacked for standing
in her SHOCK ZONE or them children she likeWIZE
attacked for STANDING IN HER SHOCK ZONE
like HOWE culprit aka kelly aka metta's (metta
is kelly aka culprit aka metta's name on the CRAZY
persons news groups so she'd not ostracized on
NON CRAZY persons news groups) dogs MURDERED
her own DEAD KAT for standing in THEIR shock zone
as granville's DEAD DOG attacked a child for standing
next to a fence at the park whick RESEMBLED HER
SHOCK ZONE.
Are we begining to see a PATTON here abHOWETS, People?
> so I was uncertain how things would turn out
Well liea, based on your POSTED CASE HISTORY
you have absolutely NO reason NOT to be CERTAIN
cause dogs only respond in PREDICTABLE NORMAL
NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE ways
to situations and circumstances of their environments
which we create for them.
ALL behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> when I had 3 guests for 3 days.
"Birds of a feather. You're JUDGED by the company
you keep. If you lie with pigs you'll awaken STINKIN
like 'em," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.
> Uncertain is the polite word;
It'd imperative to be polite no matter HOWE
MUCH you HURT others and lie abHOWET
it, liea.
> I was worried.
Perhaps THAT'S what's triggered this
most recent psychotic break from reality,
eh liea?
> I imagined spending 3 days with Cubbe
> on one side of the door and 3 guests on
> the other.
Won't they allHOWE your dog in the
mental ward, liea? Or are the P-Docs
concerned that you might HURT her
someMOORE in your disassociative
state of mind?
> I was prepared to drop her off at the
> kennel if it got to be too much.
That WOULD be the WIZE thing to
do under the circumstances, just
goin by your CASE HISTORY, liea.
> When my college roommate
AMAZING, the kinda material
they teach in college. Ain't it.
> and friend of 30 years
AS STATED.
> arrived at the door with her 2 15 year
> old dog loving daughters, I put Cubbe
> on a leash, took her outside, let them
> put their overnight bags in the hallway
> and asked them to turn around and
> walk Cubbe. Each of them held the
> leash for part of the walk.
That's nice! HOWEver, there's MUCH
MOORE effective ways to handle and
train your dog not to be PSYCHOTIC
like HOWE you taught her to be.
> I went along and gave them each a
> handful of biscuits to be tossed to
> Cubbe at random.
Offering fear aggressive dogs like Cubbe
bribes often makes them MOORE fearful
and aggressive and could get someWON
HURT, liea. That's on accHOWENT of dogs
is SCAVENGERS that STEAL scraps and
run to hide to eat them with their backs to
the wall in a heightened state of alert.
> The only advice I gave them on the walk was
> to hold the leash tightly and to go ahead and
> pull Cubbe in the direction we were going,
BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
THAT'S INSANE, liea. That won't teach
your dog to TRUST them liea, that'll teach
her to FEAR them for hurting and forcing
her. You ARE walkin her on your PRONG
as you like to call it cause we know you
can't walk her withHOWET HURTIN HER.
> not to let Cubbe pull them where she wanted to go.
To make Cubbe very happy with her
leisurely walk, eh liea? HOWE could
your college friend allHOWE her kids
to TRUST your judgemnt Ooops! Almost
FORGOT... forget abHOWET that question.
> This wasn't a lesson in heeling for Cubbe
Good, cause Cubbe don't heel anyHOWE.
> or dog training for them.
Cubbe's trainin consists of jumpin your
WHINE rack and chasin a ball up an
DHOWEN the cellar stairs.
> This was a lesson in letting Cubbe
> know they could be in charge.
You mean they was SUPPOSED TO HURT HER.
"It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With
Her Usual ZAP Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To
Give Cubbe A Hug She Gave A Snarl-Snap Cubbe Got
Out In The Neighborhood Leashless."
> By the time we got home, Cubbe accepted
> them into the house with no barking.
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?
> There was a tiny incident mid-day
Ooops!
You mean, despite the pryor dominance trainin, leah???
> when Rose got a little sentimental
> and tried making friends with Cubbe
Well THAT WOULD be a semiMENTAL thing
to do, just based on her pryor CASE HISTORY.
WOULDN'T IT, liea.
> by cooing and extending a hand
To be friends.
> with an aim towards petting Cubbe.
Kinda like in "The Hand That Rocked The Cradle."
> Cubbe gave a snarl, or a half snarl.
Your dog is FEARFUL cause you HURT her, liea.
> It wasn't much of a snarl;
THAT'S INSANE. What's important is the
THOUGHT pryor to any snarly aggression.
> I've seen her deliver worse and still not bite.
Dogs "flash" like that HOWETA FEAR, not meanness.
> I was there,
You attacked Cubbe like HOWE you done before
when she tried to attack the little children she'd
been playing with till they walked into her SHOCK
ZONE. REMEMBER,liea?:
"I was right there, and without thinking I quickly yelled,
turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face and let her
know that no snarling is allowed. The girl wasn't frightened
at all, and her parents who were also right there hadn't
realized what had happened. I then asked the snarlee
to rub Cubbe's belly further to reinforce that Cubbe is the
submissive one in that relationship. I let Cubbe up and all
was fine."
But we know better, don't we, liea.
> gently rolled Cubbe over for a belly rub
Yeah. Like this:
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
sionnach.
> and explained to Rose
You mean your mentally ill friend from "college."
Lissen up, liea. JUST ON ACCHOWENT of
you was in a university HOWEspital MENTAL
INSTITUTE doesn't MEAN you're "IN COLLEGE."
> that we were walking a fine line,
You mean between mental illness
and insanity, liea? That's the only
fine line you're eligible for, lia.
> that we wanted Cubbe to learn that nothing
> bad happens to her when strangers are in the
> house.
RIGHT!
> Since Cubbe's bad behaviors stem from fear,
Your dog Cubbe began TURNIN on you as
soon as you started CHOKIN her, liea.
> I don't want to deliver harsh punishments
But you do and you will cause you're
a lying dog abusing mentally ill coward.
> that could make her more fearful.
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
> is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
> keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
> up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
> and the vet agrees.
>
> --Lia
"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"
THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
> After that, Rose and Betsy learned to
> ignore Cubbe for the most part,
AMAZING SUCCESS!!!
> and that was fine with Cubbe.
WE'RE PR-HOWED OF YOU, liea.
> They walked by her, didn't try to touch
> her, gave her biscuits. By the next day,
> they'd gotten her leash and taken her for
> her morning walk even before I'd woken
> up.
Yeah. Psychosis like you got tends to knowck
you HOWET pretty good. That's HOWE COME
your P-Doc should be CONsulted to make SHORE
you got enough anti psychotics workin for you.
> I was still yawning and in pajamas
Perhaps THAT is what frightens Cubbe so?
> when they walked in with her all pleased with the
> morning's exploration. They even had the plastic
> poop bag and only needed to be shown where it
> goes in the garage.
Well, perhaps you'll consider whelpin some kids
like your mentally ill pal tara o. aka tee done? Her
little munchkin April is takin anti psychotic meds
NHOWE in first grade, just like nearly everyWON
else here abHOWETS.
> My brother,
Ahhh, you've never mentioned him before.
> his girlfriend and my 12 year old niece
> are coming this afternoon.
Well, better get an extra poop bag.
> I hope everything goes as well.
BET ON IT, liea.
> --Lia
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but we've come a long way since then. She trusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
Better look for your picture ID and compare
it with your face in the mirror and then compare
it with the names on your prescription bottles
and follow the instructions The Amazing Puppy
Wizard offered your pal tara o. aka tee. Put the
meds and a pitcher of water and cup on your
nightstand, liea. Take them AS NECESSARY.
Here's liea's case history and EXXXPERIENCE
with shock fences. Her dog Cubbe nHOWE has
a nerveHOWES OCD head shake for which she's
seen the vet:
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching Cubbe
> all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking is behavioral,
> not physical. Naturally I'll continue keeping an eye on her,
> but when I add everything up, I don't see symptoms of
> anything neurological-- and the vet agrees.
>
> --Lia
Here's Cubbe ATTACKING a neighbor's dog just
last week, and previHOWEsly attacking liea's only
friend and assaulting a couple kids and escaping
her surrHOWEND SHOCK SYSTEM, which MADE
HER AGGRESSIVE:
"It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With
Her Usual ZAP Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To
Give Cubbe A Hug She Gave A Snarl-Snap Cubbe Got
Out In The Neighborhood Leashless:
Julia F N Altshuler (d000634c@dc.seflin.org)
Subject: 1 step forward, 2 steps back
Date: 2001-01-07 19:28:05 PST
Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the first time
in roughly 2 years. The first few times were when we first got
her before she'd had any training and before we got the
electric fence to reinforce the physical one.
It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored clickers
and treats and calls. Make that, it was horrible for us. She
had a blast running free and chasing whatever she wanted.
For us it was 45 minutes of sheer terror as we tried to catch
her.
Luckily there wasn't too much traffic yesterday morning. It
had snowed, and the streets weren't quite clear yet. Jim
finally caught her when she was preoccupied with her head
down a hole.
For 2 years I've been giving her a daily long walk in the
neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on a leash.
She gets daily indoor clicker training sessions.
She has perfect recalls in the house. She gets intermittent
treats for those recalls. She gets plenty of time to run free
in the backyard.
Her recalls are less reliable there, but I've been working on
them. I haven't been as good about introducing the variable
reinforcement there, but I have been good about making sure
that she's never tricked into coming into the house when she'd
rather be outside. I always call her, give her a treat or
praise and let her go again.
So I haven't been a perfect dog trainer, but I don't think I'm
a terrible one. I say that because I'm about to ask y'all for
some help in correcting my mistakes, and while I don't mind
criticism for past mistakes, I am hoping you'll concentrate on
what I should do now.
Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice backyard time. I'd
gotten her into the house and was preparing to leave when she
escaped straight through the front door and right in front of
our noses. She was still wearing the zap collar, but the
battery was low. She gave a small yip when she went over the
wire, and the chase ensued.
We were careful not to scold her once she was caught.
Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap collar
now with a fresh battery. She was waiting by the backdoor to
come in when I went to call her. From her excited behavior, I
could tell that she fully expected to be let out the front
door again so she could have another fun romp in the
neighborhood. I'm so filled with anxiety from yesterday's
escapade that I keep checking for her every time I open the
door.
Later in the afternoon, she was much worse
about coming when called even from the backyard.
My specific questions:
How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows
when she's in a confined space and when she isn't?
She normally only wears the zap collar when she's in the
backyard because the wire goes around the house and could zap her
when she's near certain windows inside. If I let her get
zapped at the front door with the zap collar, can I still take
the zap collar off and walk her out the front door with her
leash on? I don't want her to become afraid of the front door.
What's the best emergency procedure if, god forbid, it should
happen again?
Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques? By this
I mean, I've been using clicker and treats for Cubbe because
she so obviously freaked when we used leash corrections and
scoldings when we first got her.
I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but we've come a long way since then. She trusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?
Last night we had friends over for dinner with their 3
daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved Cubbe and were
having a blast clicker training her. I was impressed with how
quickly they caught on and how little correction they needed
to be consistent with the clicks and treats. Cubbe was fine
with the children; she always has been. Just as they were
getting ready to go, the 10 year old went to give Cubbe a hug.
Cubbe must have felt threatened and confined because she gave a
snarl-snap.
I was right there, and without thinking I quickly yelled,
turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face and let her
know that no snarling is allowed. The girl wasn't frightened
at all, and her parents who were also right there hadn't
realized what had happened. I then asked the snarlee to rub
Cubbe's belly further to reinforce that Cubbe is the
submissive one in that relationship. I let Cubbe up and all
was fine.
I suppose that's another issue, but I bring it up as part of
wondering if Cubbe should be trained with punishments now.
Like I said, I did that without thinking, and now I think it
was the right thing to do. So how do I apply this to dealing
with Cubbe the escapee?
--Lia
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"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler.DeleteThis@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> I need help deciding if I have a real problem with Cubbe
> that needs immediate attention or if I'm imagining trouble
> where there is none.
>
> Here's what happened last April the way I described it to
> a friend at the time:
>
> I'm worried about Cubbe. Or rather, I'm kicking myself for
> doing something stupid. Ellie has been over many times and
> has always gotten along great with Cubbe. Cubbe is always
> at the door when I let Ellie in.
>
> She's barky-protective but then stops barking once Ellie is
> inside. She's never shown any real aggression. The other
> night Ellie and I went out together to run an errand.
>
> Ellie was coming in the house with packages so I came in
> first and put Cubbe in the bedroom with Jim so Ellie could
> get through the door more easily. I could hear Cubbe
> barking. Once Ellie was inside, I opened the bedroom door
> for Cubbe. She ran out to attack the intruder. Ellie was
> trying to be friendly.
>
> Ellie put a tooth in Ellie's finger. Granted the resulting
> scratch was no worse than the way my cuticles bleed when
> they get dry and I don't rub lotion into them every night,
> but Ellie was understandably scared.
>
> Jim ran out and got control of Cubbe right away. I got
> Ellie some alcohol and a bandage. The scary thing is that,
> even though the damage is minor, it does qualify as a bite
> since Cubbe did mean to do it. I guess I should just learn
> from it and never let Cubbe greet someone like that again,
> but I'm horribly torn up.
>
> I've said that I would never keep an aggressive dog. Now
> the whole issue is so complicated. Cubbe is great even
> with kids when we meet them in the neighborhood.
>
> Since then I've been careful not to do anything like that.
>
> Then Halloween night Cubbe spent most of the night in the
> computer room with Jim while I answered the door. She did
> bark each time she heard the doorbell ring. We did nothing
> to discourage that. We want her to be barky protective so
> it made sense for her to bark when she heard people in the
> neighborhood, especially at night. Later in the evening,
> Jim put Cubbe on a leash and was hanging out with her in the
> front hall while I still got the door. One of the first
> people to come to the door once she was out of the computer
> room was our neighbor Nicky.
>
> I think Nicky is 11 now. He's known Cubbe since we got her
> 4 years ago, has always liked her, petted her and asked to
> come on walks. Nick lifted his mask on the porch so I'd
> know who it was. Then I invited him into the hall to pet
> Cubbe.
>
> Cubbe snarled and sort of air snapped at him. Of course
> Jim was right there so no damage was done. Nick didn't
> even have to draw his hand away, and he didn't get scared.
> Nothing scares that boy.
>
> I don't like this. Twice now Cubbe has been overly
> protective-aggressive when people have entered the house.
> Both times they've been people she knows and should like.
> She's wonderfully nice to people on walks. We don't have
> guests over too often so I can't comment if it's a growing
> thing or not.
>
> Comments please. Is this a major growing aggression
> problem?
>
> I'd guess it's territoriality about the house and yard.
> What do I do about it?
>
> I usually put Cubbe on a leash when friends come over
> and then walk her outside while the friend gets out of
> her car, and then we walk in together.
>
> She'll still bark when they're in the house and then
> calm down. Is that a good idea? Should I be
> doing something more to make sure this doesn't escalate?
> --Lia
From: Julia Altshuler (jaltshuler@comcast.net)
Subject: Cubbe report: Chief
Date: 2003-09-12 21:04:11 PST
Chief if my neighbor Jo's 40# 1 1/2 year old Sheltie.
Jim has been running into them on his morning walks
with Cubbe. For a week he's been feeding me glowing
reports about how Cubbe is terrific with Chief.
Cubbe has never been particularly wonderful with any
other dog, so terrible in fact that I'd despaired at ever
seeing Cubbe frolic and play with other dogs.
I'd resigned myself to the idea that Cubbe is happy
with her people, her yard, her squirrels, her spot on
the couch, and that makes a pretty good life, one
that doesn't involve the companionship of her own
species. Jim's reports were encouraging.
Jim convinced Jo to bring Chief over for a playdate.
We put Cubbe on a leash so she could meet Chief
again on neutral territory. They sniffed as dogs
normally do.
Chief and Cubbe entered the front door. To my
amazement, all was fine. Out in the backyard
and off leash, Cubbe didn't pay much attention
to Chief, but there was no trouble even though
she and Chief were close to each other.
Both dogs seemed more interested that their
people were handing out treats (for good behaviors
like SITs).
Jim went into the house for some balls thinking the 2
dogs would like to chase them together. He did not
consult me about this hare brained scheme.
Jo and I were 5 feet away from the dogs when Cubbe
decided to attack Chief. She's not an experienced fighter
so I don't know if attack is the right word. She was snarfing,
making growly noises, jumping on Chief,
had her mouth on Chief's neck (on his back, behind
his ears) and basically not looking friendly, but I think
if she'd wanted to do real damage, she would have,
and Chief was fine, nary a hair out of place.
Naturally with us all right there, we were able to
intervene in seconds.
A second later, it was all over. Cubbe looked like she'd
like to be friends again, but Chief, while not running away
or anything was obviously spooked and keeping his distance.
Jo and Chief went home. (I went with them for chat
and apologies, but that's not part of the Cubbe story.)
Cubbe has never food or toy guarded with people. Might
she have been guarding the balls Jim brought out? Or
was it the fact that we let our guard down for a few seconds and
she got scared of Chief when we all
weren't practically on top of her? Or did we push
her too far by leaving her and Chief together for too
many minutes when a few seconds would have been
better for a first try? Or other theories?
Do we continue trying to find a dog that will put up with
Cubbe? Or do we give up again and go back to letting
Cubbe live a dogless existence?
--Lia
===================
"No trumpets sound when the important decisions of
our life are made."
Would you bet your life on that?
Don't bet on it... you'll lose.
"Destiny is made known silently." -- Agnes DeMille
You're dead wrong, Agnes.
Destiny is our divine plan carefully orchestrated and
publicly set into motion at the moment of creation.
Fate is our vehicle. There are no accidents, no
unforeseen events, just choices based on our
human nature. We are responsible for HOWE
we reach our destiny.
We control our fate, our destiny, doesn't.
Nothing happens by accident or coincidence.
Jeremy writes:
"A customer recently purchased a Shiba Inu and I suspect
she may be in for a wild ride. This is a breed that I suspect
may respond particularly well to mutual respect style training.
The alpha complex (as I now call it) is likely to
really provoke the dog's naturally competitive nature.
Thanks 1000 times for opening my eyes and don't let
those @$$#&% get you down. I can't be the only person
that sees the sense in your methods. I'm in Windsor,
Ontario, Canada and pass your info to anyone it might
help" Thanks, Jeremy.
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"Ted Rumple" <rumplemint.DeleteThis@kalbar.net> wrote in message
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>
> Jerry, I am forever in your debt. The system you have
> created for training dogs is absolutely amazing!
>
> I can't wait until the new version is available for human
> children!
>
> Thank you for your service to humanity!
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST
A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.
Paul.
--------------------------
The Puppy Wizard sez "A dog is a dog as a child
is a child. They only respond in PREDICTABLE
NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE
REFLEXIVE ways to situations and circumstances
of their environment which we create for them.
ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
"Ted Rumple" <rumplemint.DeleteThis@kalbar.net> wrote in message
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>
> Jerry, I am forever in your debt. The system you have
> created for training dogs is absolutely amazing!
>
> I can't wait until the new version is available for human
> children!
>
> Thank you for your service to humanity!
Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >
P.S. Contacting Dr. P:
Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.
In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.
That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.
Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.
If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.
P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
"Rootman" <no-one.DeleteThis@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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> Mini Adolph Hitler (aka megalomanic) wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> Something else that was completely stupid,
> ignorant false and nongermane.
>
>
> JH, you are a goosestepping, facist, brownshirt,
> terrorist supporting, nazi thug. YOU hurt and kill
> dogs then try and cover it up by dreaming up false
> quotes to support your own retard methods.
>
> Go and practice your wild facism somewhere else.
>
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