Crate question

"Janet Boss" <janet.DeleteThis@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message
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> In article <aB8kj.45$Ev6.12@trndny07>,
> "\(the\)duckster" <duckster.DeleteThis@erinet.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes, I am considering that as well., though he is capable of "opening"
the
> > latch with a flip of his nose.>>
>
> Use some leash or carabiner clips to keep it closed.
>
> >> The crate downstairs - site of the "canine crime scene" as quoted by
> > Muttley's dad, was double bolyrf with lockboxes I used in my real
estate
> > practice.
>
> Translation?

A lockbox is used for a key when a house is being listed for sale. It
attaches to the doorknob via a combination lock. I removed the lock and
just use the box and latch. Very handy.
>
> > When he was unable to free himself using his normal method, I think
that's
> > when he literally attacked the cage, ripping bars off like they were
> > spagetti.
>
> BTDT. Not a good thing.
> >
> > I'm going to begin a 15-30 minute leave and come back with the new crate
I
> > am ordering. With much heavier bars, the possibility of ripping off the
> > bars and potentially impaling himself is greatly minimized. You see I
am
> > really less concerned about him getting out as I am coming home and
finding
> > him dead from a puncture wound.
>
> > While he is inside, I am using a combination of pants and belly band to
> > cover him up well enough that if he does lift to mark he wets himself
and
> > not my couches and beds.
>
> Ok, I apparently missed the OP and with my newsreader, don't know how to
> go back. How old is this dog/what kind and what is the issue?

Bodie is "just a dog" the son of a stray I picked up a few years back when
she was pregnant. He was born and raised here. He lives with a pack of two
other dogs, plus my granddog - another of the mother's pups, whom I walk
everyday with my three and who frequently visits. All my animals are
neutered/spayed.

About six months ago I guess he began marking, including me a couple of
times. A few times he made a bloody mess in both our bed and my daughter's.
Never could catch him in the act as it was quite intermittent. He also
started to get a bit destructive, though limited to skeins of yarn, bags
fished from trash, toilet paper, things like that.

We began by gradually reducing his privileges, closing off the upstairs,
crating him at night (which he goes to willingly with no complaint, happy to
have his peanut butter bone), and combining the pants and band to control
the marking.

Most of the time when I leave there is either someone else home, or the
weather is nice enough to just put him out, which as I said he quite enjoys.
But there are times when he needs to be inside and since he's not too
trustworthy lately, into the crate he goes.

The last episode is when he went berserk and ripped your standard issue
crate to shreds. Met me at the door with the other two, happy as a clam.
The room was a complete wreck.

Between the marking, shredding, and now the destroying of his crate, I've
decided along with my vet to give the heavy duty cage/drugs/and gradually
extending my time gone to see if we can't modify his behavior.

Additional insight or suggestions are gratefully appreciated. He's really a
very good boy and we love him dearly. If he still had his cojones, I'd
swear it was puberty.

Kind regards,

(the)duckster
>
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In article <NV8kj.15$4b6.1@trndny08>,
"\(the\)duckster" <duckster DeleteThis @erinet.com> wrote:

> double bolyrf with lockboxes I used in my real
> estate
> > > practice.
> >
> > Translation?
>
> A lockbox is used for a key when a house is being listed for sale. It
> attaches to the doorknob via a combination lock. I removed the lock and
> just use the box and latch. Very handy.

I know what a lock box is, I just couldn't figure out what bolyrf is!

> Bodie is "just a dog" the son of a stray I picked up a few years back when
> she was pregnant. He was born and raised here.

> Additional insight or suggestions are gratefully appreciated. He's really a
> very good boy and we love him dearly. If he still had his cojones, I'd
> swear it was puberty.

I'm a big believer in working and exercising dogs (i.e. a tired dog is a
good dog). Obedience work ALWAYS pays off. I'd either start or go back
and beef it up a lot.

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Paul E. Schoen schrieb:
> "sallytighe" <tigheWITHOUTTHIS.RemoveThis@gmx.net> wrote in message
> news:5vahp1F1k6mkgU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>>
>>Paul E. Schoen schrieb:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>When I had to go away for 8-12 hours, I always [snip]
>>>
>>
>>This bit took my breath away, and then I started to wonder if there is a
>>cultural difference operating here.
>>
>>Is it generally acceptable where you live to leave dogs alone inside for
>>this length of time?
>>
>>Sally
>
>
> I was very concerned at first when I started leaving him alone in the
> house, but only once have I ever had a problem.<snip>

Thank you for this and others for the other answers, they certainly
answered my question.

Sally
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"Janet Boss" <janet RemoveThis @bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message
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> In article <NV8kj.15$4b6.1@trndny08>,
> "\(the\)duckster" <duckster RemoveThis @erinet.com> wrote:
>
> > double bolyrf with lockboxes I used in my real
> > estate
> > > > practice.
> > >
> > > Translation?
> >
> > A lockbox is used for a key when a house is being listed for sale. It
> > attaches to the doorknob via a combination lock. I removed the lock and
> > just use the box and latch. Very handy.
>
> I know what a lock box is, I just couldn't figure out what bolyrf is!

Oh, beg pardon. I meant in using two he was double bolted in.
>
> > Bodie is "just a dog" the son of a stray I picked up a few years back
when
> > she was pregnant. He was born and raised here.
>
> > Additional insight or suggestions are gratefully appreciated. He's
really a
> > very good boy and we love him dearly. If he still had his cojones, I'd
> > swear it was puberty.
>
> I'm a big believer in working and exercising dogs (i.e. a tired dog is a
> good dog). Obedience work ALWAYS pays off. I'd either start or go back
> and beef it up a lot.

We walk a brisk three miles every morning, rain or shine. unless there are
summer thunderstorms, or ice/salt on the road in which case we take to the
fields.

I use a stirrup leather wrapped around my waist and then leash the pack to
that. If you take Bark magazine, it's not unlike Joring, midwesterner
style, though at my age I decline to risk my life by donning skates or skis.

I also have fenced off a half acre of woods and lawn where right now they
are raising hell at the neighbor who is cutting along the tree line in the
back of my property. If he brother were visiting, two would be using the
pool cover as a trampoline or destroying of of their stuffed toys. Sans
exercise, they are not.

But you are quite correct that I have to go back to square one. Something,
somehow, somewhere along the way he's gotten the wrong idea. So I'm
treating him as if he were a puppy again.

Thank you so much for writing and sharing your thoughts.

Kind regards,

(the)duckster
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Janet Boss wrote:
>
> As most working people have to do.
>
> I'd never do that with a puppy, or Rudy (his bladder can't take that on
> a regular basis, which is one reason he stayed here), but most adult
> dogs? Lucy doesn't even want to go out and pee after 9 hours.
>
> Of course, most dogs are also inside (albeit not alone) for at least 8
> hours overnight. Even 15 week old Marcie does that just fine.
>
I'm gone for about 10 hours each day, but my husband generally leaves
for work an hour or two after I do, so the dog is alone 8 or 9 hours. I
know dogs can hold it that long, but I feel better knowing she has
access to an outdoor kennel through a pet door. When I was potty
training her I would put a video camera outside and tape the kennel, so
I could get an idea of her schedule. I caught her peeing on tape twice -
at 12:15 and 12:45 pm, which is only about 4 hours after the last time
she went. But I know what Janet means about Lucy not even wanting to go
out. When I take my dog out of her crate in the morning, it's been 8
hours, but it's so cold she'd prefer to hold it even longer, but I make
her go out after she's eaten her kibble. I think it's funny that both my
cat and my dog chose to eat in the morning before peeing. Lord knows I
would never eat first! Anyway, when I was shopping for a dog, I filled
out several applications to animals shelters. They all pretty much said
they wouldn't sell a dog to an owner that's going to be gone more than 6
hours a day. So this means only self-employed and retired persons are
allowed to own dogs? I thought that was pretty extreme. So, when I was
filling out the applications and they asked "how many hours will your
dog be alone?" I filled in: "None. The cat will always be there." They
didn't buy it - none of the shelters contacted me. I ended up buying an
adult dog from a breeder.

Amy
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Kimber <ashatzen.DeleteThis@roadrunner.com> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> When I take my dog out of her crate in the morning,
> it's been 8 hours, but it's so cold she'd prefer to hold it
> even longer, but I make her go out after she's eaten her
> kibble.

How old is she? With new dogs and puppies, I like to start
giving freedom at night when I'm semi-supervising.

> Anyway, when I was shopping for a
> dog, I filled out several applications to animals shelters.
> They all pretty much said they wouldn't sell a dog to an
> owner that's going to be gone more than 6 hours a day. So
> this means only self-employed and retired persons are
> allowed to own dogs? I thought that was pretty extreme. So,
> when I was filling out the applications and they asked "how
> many hours will your dog be alone?" I filled in: "None. The
> cat will always be there." They didn't buy it - none of the
> shelters contacted me. I ended up buying an adult dog from
> a breeder.

When I got Friday from a rescue it was pretty much the same
situation as yours. I had another dog and they'd be alone up
to 10 hours a day. Different adopters have different
criterea, one should "shop" around.

[Please consider using paragraphs in your posts.]



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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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(snip)
>
> Thankfully now, My dogs don't have to stay put longer than 4 hours. They
> either go with me, Or I leave them with a sitter.

My dogs are rarely alone for more than four hours at a time either. It's
not because of them, they are fine. 100% reliable with the run of the
house.

It's me. I get separation anxiety and have to see them at the four hour
point. That's about as long as I can go without a Jake and Ricki Lee fix.

They are awfully good dogs in spite of me.
Karla
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"filly" <johnhenry.DeleteThis@verizon.net> spoke these words of wisdom in
news:PfVkj.8818$4b6.4552@trndny08:

>
> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A28E5DFDF6D7diddydiddynet@216.196.97.142...
> (snip)
>>
>> Thankfully now, My dogs don't have to stay put longer than 4 hours. They
>> either go with me, Or I leave them with a sitter.
>
> My dogs are rarely alone for more than four hours at a time either. It's
> not because of them, they are fine. 100% reliable with the run of the
> house.
>
> It's me. I get separation anxiety and have to see them at the four hour
> point. That's about as long as I can go without a Jake and Ricki Lee
fix.
>
> They are awfully good dogs in spite of me.
> Karla
That's me. If I'm gone longer than 4 hours, I take them with me.
I'm headed to Michigan this week. 3 people, 3 dogs and a duck. The horse
gets to stay home.
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In article <Fri9A2BD48451896australianshepherdca RemoveThis @rocky-dog.com>,
Rocky <3dogs RemoveThis @rocky-dog.com> wrote:

>
> How old is she? With new dogs and puppies, I like to start
> giving freedom at night when I'm semi-supervising.>>

We're scheduling to start that on February 1st (the 4 month mark). Wish
us luck!
>
> When I got Friday from a rescue it was pretty much the same
> situation as yours. I had another dog and they'd be alone up
> to 10 hours a day. Different adopters have different
> criterea, one should "shop" around.

You bet. Having a plan is really what it's all about.

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In article <Xns9A2C859FD204diddydiddynet RemoveThis @216.196.97.142>, diddy <none>
wrote:

> If I'm gone longer than 4 hours, I take them with me.
> I'm headed to Michigan this week. 3 people, 3 dogs and a duck.

We've brought ducks on travels. Dead. In a cooler.

I try not to leave my crew for longer than 6 hours. Even that is
not-so-common. I recently had a 2-party day and I was going to be gone
for 10.5 hours. I had my in-laws come stay with the adult dogs and
cats. Marcie was actually invited to the first party, so she went along
and then went home with a friend while I was at the second party. She
got to play with her uncle, which she thought was very cool. I could
enjoy myself.

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Janet Boss <janet RemoveThis @bestfriendsdogobedience.com> spoke these words of wisdom
in news:janet-13ACEB.06575221012008@news.individual.net:

> In article <Xns9A2C859FD204diddydiddynet RemoveThis @216.196.97.142>, diddy <none>
> wrote:
>
>> If I'm gone longer than 4 hours, I take them with me.
>> I'm headed to Michigan this week. 3 people, 3 dogs and a duck.
>
> We've brought ducks on travels. Dead. In a cooler
Ducks in coolers are a good thing. This is a duck in a crate.
>
> I try not to leave my crew for longer than 6 hours. Even that is
> not-so-common. I recently had a 2-party day and I was going to be gone
> for 10.5 hours. I had my in-laws come stay with the adult dogs and
> cats. Marcie was actually invited to the first party, so she went along
> and then went home with a friend while I was at the second party. She
> got to play with her uncle, which she thought was very cool. I could
> enjoy myself.
>

YaY Marcie, the party girl!
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In article <Xns9A2C51D253FB2diddydiddynet DeleteThis @216.196.97.142>, diddy <none>
wrote:

>
> Ducks in coolers are a good thing. This is a duck in a crate.

For what purpose is this duck? I have to admit that bringing a
semi-frozen duck along to GA was a bit of an odd thing to do, but I
needed to do some work prior to the field stuff at the specialty, so he
came along.

it was obviously worth it:

http://www.gondolinretrievers.com/Photography/FCRSpecialties/FCRSA05/Hunt
/7-WCALand/25-24/pages/KH7C2482.html

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Janet Boss <janet RemoveThis @bestfriendsdogobedience.com> spoke these words of wisdom
in news:janet-8CD571.08072021012008@news.individual.net:

> In article <Xns9A2C51D253FB2diddydiddynet RemoveThis @216.196.97.142>, diddy <none>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ducks in coolers are a good thing. This is a duck in a crate.
>
> For what purpose is this duck? I have to admit that bringing a
> semi-frozen duck along to GA was a bit of an odd thing to do, but I
> needed to do some work prior to the field stuff at the specialty, so he
> came along.
>
> it was obviously worth it:
>
> http://www.gondolinretrievers.com/Photography/FCRSpecialties/FCRSA05/Hunt
> /7-WCALand/25-24/pages/KH7C2482.html
>

We are going to a primitive archery hub-bub in Kalamazoo. On the way, there
is a Muscovy Duck breeder, and we are swapping bloodlines.
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