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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:31 pm
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Dear experienced dog folk,

I am interested in purchasing this crate for one of my dogs. Has anyone had
any experience with it? Or something similar? At $250 it's a little pricey
to turn into just another horizontal surface. He's destroyed the standard
issue crate so I need to switch to the heavy artillery. I'm talking to my
vet tomorrow about doggie downers as well, though I'm not a big fan of the
idea. Perhaps some insight on those who have used them? Thank you!

He's a very good dog. Born and raised right here on the farm. I work at
home as a Licensed Realtor, but when I leave, he needs to be put up because
he will get anxious, mark and destroy things if I am gone too long.

He is neutered. Walked with my other three 2 miles each morning. Lives like
a prince. Sleeps in his crate upstairs in our bedroom all night, no
problem.

TIA.

Kelly Kirsch
www.kellykirsch.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350014316122&refid=store

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:56 pm
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"\(the\)duckster" <duckster.DeleteThis@erinet.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> Dear experienced dog folk,
>
> I am interested in purchasing this crate for one of my dogs. Has anyone
> had any experience with it? Or something similar? At $250 it's a
> little pricey to turn into just another horizontal surface. He's
> destroyed the standard issue crate so I need to switch to the heavy
> artillery. I'm talking to my vet tomorrow about doggie downers as well,
> though I'm not a big fan of the idea. Perhaps some insight on those who
> have used them? Thank you!
>
> He's a very good dog. Born and raised right here on the farm. I work
> at home as a Licensed Realtor, but when I leave, he needs to be put up
> because he will get anxious, mark and destroy things if I am gone too
> long.
>
> He is neutered. Walked with my other three 2 miles each morning. Lives
> like a prince. Sleeps in his crate upstairs in our bedroom all night,
> no problem.
>
> TIA.
>
> Kelly Kirsch
> www.kellykirsch.com
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350014316122&refid=sto
> re
>
>
>

It sounds like a major issue with separation anxiety.

google "separation anxiety" + dog and see if something fits in your
lifestyle. In the meantime, I'd get him a very sturdy outdoor kennel. Not a
flimsy one, then work on the sep-anx issues before trying an in the house
crate again

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:00 pm
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Safe then to say you haven't used the product?

Incidentally, your link has expired.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:13 am
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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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> "\(the\)duckster" <duckster.DeleteThis@erinet.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:xbrjj.37263$UX2.8747@trnddc08:
>
> > Dear experienced dog folk,
> >
> > I am interested in purchasing this crate for one of my dogs. Has anyone
> > had any experience with it? Or something similar? At $250 it's a
> > little pricey to turn into just another horizontal surface. He's
> > destroyed the standard issue crate so I need to switch to the heavy
> > artillery. I'm talking to my vet tomorrow about doggie downers as well,
> > though I'm not a big fan of the idea. Perhaps some insight on those who
> > have used them? Thank you!
> >
> > He's a very good dog. Born and raised right here on the farm. I work
> > at home as a Licensed Realtor, but when I leave, he needs to be put up
> > because he will get anxious, mark and destroy things if I am gone too
> > long.
> >
> > He is neutered. Walked with my other three 2 miles each morning. Lives
> > like a prince. Sleeps in his crate upstairs in our bedroom all night,
> > no problem.
> >
> > TIA.
> >
> > Kelly Kirsch
> > www.kellykirsch.com
> >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350014316122&refid=sto
> > re
> >
> >
> >
>
> It sounds like a major issue with separation anxiety.

Yes, I would agree. The odd thing is that my four are seldom left home
alone. In nice weather, they bask outside on several acres of land, though
lately they've been enjoying a steam bath lying on the pool cover.

Even stranger, he sleeps gladly and peacefully in the crate upstairs in our
room. Runs up every night to get his peanut butter bone.

But leaving him in the downstairs one was a different story. And I only do
it when I can't put them outside - as in bad or cold weather.

But I will google your suggestion and see if there isn't something else that
can be done. I don't have a problem with a crate. I just wanted to buy
something he couldn't destoy, possibly impaling himself.

Thank you for writing.

(the)duckster


>
> google "separation anxiety" + dog and see if something fits in your
> lifestyle. In the meantime, I'd get him a very sturdy outdoor kennel. Not
a
> flimsy one, then work on the sep-anx issues before trying an in the house
> crate again
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:13 am
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"\(the\)duckster" <duckster.DeleteThis@erinet.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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>
> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A27CAD72D11Fdiddydiddynet@216.196.97.142...
>> "\(the\)duckster" <duckster.DeleteThis@erinet.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
>> news:xbrjj.37263$UX2.8747@trnddc08:
>>
>> > Dear experienced dog folk,
>> >
>> > I am interested in purchasing this crate for one of my dogs. Has
>> > anyone had any experience with it? Or something similar? At $250
>> > it's a little pricey to turn into just another horizontal surface.
>> > He's destroyed the standard issue crate so I need to switch to the
>> > heavy artillery. I'm talking to my vet tomorrow about doggie downers
>> > as well, though I'm not a big fan of the idea. Perhaps some insight
>> > on those who have used them? Thank you!
>> >
>> > He's a very good dog. Born and raised right here on the farm. I
>> > work at home as a Licensed Realtor, but when I leave, he needs to be
>> > put up because he will get anxious, mark and destroy things if I am
>> > gone too long.
>> >
>> > He is neutered. Walked with my other three 2 miles each morning.
>> > Lives like a prince. Sleeps in his crate upstairs in our bedroom all
>> > night, no problem.
>> >
>> > TIA.
>> >
>> > Kelly Kirsch
>> > www.kellykirsch.com
>> >
>> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350014316122&refid=sto
>> > re
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> It sounds like a major issue with separation anxiety.
>
> Yes, I would agree. The odd thing is that my four are seldom left home
> alone. In nice weather, they bask outside on several acres of land,
> though lately they've been enjoying a steam bath lying on the pool
> cover.
>
> Even stranger, he sleeps gladly and peacefully in the crate upstairs in
> our room. Runs up every night to get his peanut butter bone.
>
> But leaving him in the downstairs one was a different story. And I only
> do it when I can't put them outside - as in bad or cold weather.
>
> But I will google your suggestion and see if there isn't something else
> that can be done. I don't have a problem with a crate. I just wanted
> to buy something he couldn't destoy, possibly impaling himself.
>
> Thank you for writing.
>
> (the)duckster
>
>
>>
>> google "separation anxiety" + dog and see if something fits in your
>> lifestyle. In the meantime, I'd get him a very sturdy outdoor kennel.
>> Not
> a
>> flimsy one, then work on the sep-anx issues before trying an in the
>> house crate again
>
>
>

Those who are seldom home alone usually have the most dependency on your
presence ... hence the separation anxiety.

I'm home most of the time and constantly battle Sep-Anx with my dogs. Seems
boys are worse than girls.

My boy has finally worked through his separation anxiety, but just in case,
i crate him when gone.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:13 am
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"diddy" <none> wrote in message
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[snip]
>
> Those who are seldom home alone usually have the most dependency on your
> presence ... hence the separation anxiety.
>
> I'm home most of the time and constantly battle Sep-Anx with my dogs.
> Seems
> boys are worse than girls.
>
> My boy has finally worked through his separation anxiety, but just in
> case,
> i crate him when gone.

I'm surprised that (I'm assuming) Tuck has Sep-Anx issues, but I think all
dogs are unique individuals, and many factors combine to define their
behavior. Muttley has always been a low-key, independent, and aloof dog,
and he was apparently doing pretty well fending for himself on the streets
before he was rescued. He certainly had his issues, especially in the first
six months when I mostly kept him tethered outside, and had to watch him
closely when I allowed him some freedom indoors. But he seemed to
communicate to me very strongly that he wanted to be inside, and not forced
outside, and I was able to allow him free run of the house, first for a
couple of hours, and then eventually for 12-14 hours.

There were times when I would be at home continually for several days at a
time, so I guess he got used to a variable schedule. He never seemed
"needy", as some dogs are, so I may have been fortunate that he came
pre-wired with a good disposition for being left alone. He enjoys being
with me most of the time, but also enjoys chewing his bones by the
woodstove downstairs, or basking in the sun on the deck. He also usually
likes to sleep in bed with me, mostly curled up at my feet (or on them),
but sometimes he likes to lay with his head on the pillow next to me.

Lucky was more of a "needy" dog, in terms of wanting to be with people.
That's why it was especially sad when she was made to stay tethered by the
Gazebo while she was at Eagles Nest. It was nice to see her freely roaming
the property unleashed, and interacting well with lots of people and the
many cats, but it was also scary and dangerous when she ran across the busy
road. When I finally took her in, I had to keep her crated much of the
time, because of Muttley's jealousy and rough play that looked as if it
might escalate into a real fight. When I had to go away for 8-12 hours, I
always crated her and allowed Muttley to roam the house. I only left them
together in the house once, for a couple of hours, and it was OK, but I
feared that I might come home to a canine crime scene. She would often bark
and howl when she was in the crate too long, and I felt sorry for having to
make her live that way. She really was a "people" dog, and she really
seemed to become totally relaxed with me on the last night I had her, as
she lay next to me all night in bed, while Muttley was locked out of the
room. It is a bittersweet memory, but I am sure she has a much better home
now.

It's time for me to ask Muttley to get off the bed so I can get
comfortable, after which he will rejoin me for a good night's sleep. It's
going to be a cold night, but not quite a "3 Dog Night".

Paul and Muttley
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Paul E. Schoen schrieb:

[snip]
> When I had to go away for 8-12 hours, I always [snip]
>

This bit took my breath away, and then I started to wonder if there is a
cultural difference operating here.

Is it generally acceptable where you live to leave dogs alone inside for
this length of time?

Sally
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sallytighe <tigheWITHOUTTHIS DeleteThis @gmx.net> said in
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> Paul E. Schoen schrieb:
>> When I had to go away for 8-12 hours, I always [snip]
>
> This bit took my breath away, and then I started to wonder
> if there is a cultural difference operating here.
>
> Is it generally acceptable where you live to leave dogs
> alone inside for this length of time?

Do you beat your dog?

I'm not going to defend Paul because I don't know his situation.
But I used to leave my dogs alone inside for 9 hours on a
regular basis.

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Rocky <3dogs.DeleteThis@rocky-dog.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
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> sallytighe <tigheWITHOUTTHIS.DeleteThis@gmx.net> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
>> Paul E. Schoen schrieb:
>>> When I had to go away for 8-12 hours, I always [snip]
>>
>> This bit took my breath away, and then I started to wonder
>> if there is a cultural difference operating here.
>>
>> Is it generally acceptable where you live to leave dogs
>> alone inside for this length of time?
>
> Do you beat your dog?
>
> I'm not going to defend Paul because I don't know his situation.
> But I used to leave my dogs alone inside for 9 hours on a
> regular basis.
>

When i worked, I used to leave my dog in the house for up to 16 hours, and
there was never an issue.

In fact one day, I let her out, it was pouring rain, and when I let her in,
I told her to stay in her dog box to dry. I left for work, and forgot to
release her. I worked a shift and a half..with an hour drive each way. So
that was 14 hours. When i got home, i petted her as i came in the door. She
was still in her box. Only when she didn't get out of the box, and whined
and whimpered, did I remember that she had never gotten a release word.

I still feel bad about that to this day. Longest down stay any of my dogs
ever held.

Thankfully now, My dogs don't have to stay put longer than 4 hours. They
either go with me, Or I leave them with a sitter.
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In article <Fri9A28CD9B5C9BBaustralianshepherdca.TakeThisOut@rocky-dog.com>,
Rocky <3dogs.TakeThisOut@rocky-dog.com> wrote:

>
> I'm not going to defend Paul because I don't know his situation.
> But I used to leave my dogs alone inside for 9 hours on a
> regular basis.

As most working people have to do.

I'd never do that with a puppy, or Rudy (his bladder can't take that on
a regular basis, which is one reason he stayed here), but most adult
dogs? Lucy doesn't even want to go out and pee after 9 hours.

Of course, most dogs are also inside (albeit not alone) for at least 8
hours overnight. Even 15 week old Marcie does that just fine.

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HOWEDY JP,

On Jan 18, 12:31 pm, "JP" <vze2w....DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote:
> Why can't you put him in the crate he sleeps in?
> He seems very secure there from your description.
>
> JP

Here's more on crate "training":

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz....DeleteThis@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 03:13:12 GMT

Subject: Crate Training / Chewing / HOWESbreaking Puppy - Starry's
Scary Night

HOWEDY People,

> I have a couple of young pups.

The Puppy Wizzzard has trained dogs for forty
years. When HE began training, crates were only
used for trainsport. The Puppy Wizzzard never
owned a crate until 1980. It was Dane size,
made of stainless steel with a custom made tray.

It was a GIFT. Actually, it was more than a gift,
it was practically FORCED on HIM. Not wanting to
look a gift horse in the mouth, the crate fit
neatly next to HIS bed and served as a table,
and only functioned as a crate on rare occasion
when dog shy company shared HIS bed.

> I want you to tell me what I should do
> with them during the day when I work (3 hrs)
> and at night (7hrs) or when I might want to
> go shopping, to dinner.........

TRAINING has always served The Puppy Wizzzard well...

The PROBLEM with raising a pup is NOT in HOWE
to CONFINE the dog, but HOWE to TEACH the dog
not to chew inappropriate things. That takes
about WON HOWER per room... to totally HOWES
train the dog.

Destructive chewing is an anxiety relief mechanism.
Puppies do not destructively chew unless they're
MISHANDLED.

Chewing for teething puporses is EZ to control by
leaving WON appropriate hard and WON soft chew toy
in each area of the HOWES, so they're convienient
but not "everywhere." Over loading the HOWES with
toys tells the pup that EVERY THING is his to chew,
and so they will.

HOWESbreaking is INSTINCTIVE. Puppy naturally
HOWESbreak themselves at about five weeks old,
if they're given the ability to get to an appropriate
break area. A tray with some newspapers serves
well for that and can function for occasions when
you're not able to return within a reasonable time,
say if you have an emergency. The pup won't get
nervous that he needs to relieve himself and has
no place to go.

Locking a pup in a box teaches the dog the box
is his HOWES and YOUR HOWES is his territory to
foul.

Locking a pup in a box does NOT give IT a sense
of security, it makes them ANXIOUS, because the
pup INSTINCTIVELY KNOWS he does not have the
ability to relieve himself in his appropriate
break area.

Crating confounds HOWESbreaking. That's HOWE COME
you can't HOWESbreak a dog in a day or two... like
The Puppy Wizzzard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Students report. Traditional traines FEAR dogs
making mistakes, they're afraid the dog will LEARN
to relieve himself on the floor if you have any
accidents. Dogs do not relieve themelves because of
scent in their own HOWES unless another dog has visited
and left a mark.

The problem for traditional trainers is they have NO
METHOD for addressing a behavior after the fact. Catching
the dog in the act is infantile thinking. A dog has the
intelligence to understand that he shouldn't have done
WHATEVER he's likely to do as a dog sometimes will do.

THEY KNOW what they did earlier just like you and me,
but probably better than me.

There's no reason to crate them. Crating inhibits
HOWESbreaking and disavails us of training opportunities
and causes animosity, hyperactivity, separation anxiety,
fear of thunder, obsessive / compulsive barking, whining, chewing,
pacing, digging, self mutilation, car sickness,
intestinal and digestive disorders, shyness, aggression,
OCD behaviors and idiopathic epilepsy.

The notion that dogs love their dens is FALSE. They
HIDE FROM REALITY in there, like you'd hide from the
boogeyman and pull the covers over your head or killfile
a poster you didn't want to hear from. That reinforces
the fear and inability to cope.

Giving a dog a den to retreat to CAUSES insecurity
because the dog never learns HOWE to cope with
situations of their environment. Every time somethin
disturbes the dog and IT retreats to the crate, the
FEAR is REINFORCED.

When the dog comes out of the crate it's like a soldier
coming out of a foxhole. Everything represents danger.

Socialization will not be effected, the dog will still
go out and make pals etc, but the constant reinforcement
of his fears EVERY TIME the dog returns to the crate might
negate the benefit of socialization.

Certainly that doesn't happen to ALL dogs, and that's not
to say it cannot be possible to PUPPERLY crate train a dog.
But to lock a dog in a box to AVOID BEHAVIORS you cannot
train is doing the dog and yourelf a terrible disservice.

The Puppy Wizzzard has trained mostly giant breed protection dogs for
forty years, and cannot understand HOWE a person is expected to be
able
to depend on their dog to protect them and the HOWES if he's locked in
a
box.

The Puppy Wizzzard ordinarily has WORKING PROTECTION dogs at six
months
of age. HOWESbreaking is EZ if you just give the dog the opportunity
to
allow NATRURE'S PERFECT HOWESbreaking plan to fulfill it's
territorial
imperatives... like protection, for example.

Subject: letter about crate

Starry's Scary Night

Anyone reading this letter is familiar with my white
shepherd Starr and her problems with fear and anxiety.
Starr has made a lot of progress since my last letter
and continues to make progress almost daily.

For a while Starr was going through a transition
period where she was expecting me to go back to the old
ways of training and discipline. She would refuse to
perform the commands right and just not want to work.

With a ton of self-control I kept the exercises simple
during this time, spending most of our training session
doing the "hot and cold exercise."

Starr soon bounced out of her unsure sliding-back-
and-forth stage and is stable now. The reason for this
letter is to talk about crates and the emotional state
they can put a dog in.

Only after I dealt with the crate situation I'll be
explaining was Starr able to make real progress. After
that the back sliding mentioned above was only a matter
of time, patients and being consistent.

First let me just say that I'm not saying that you
shouldn't use a crate. Only that you make sure to use
it right for the emotional state of your dog.

Ever since Starr was a pup whenever I left her alone
I put her in her crate. If we had company Starr went in
her crate because she was not friendly and would bark and
hide. Nights she also spent in her crate which seemed like
a retreat to her, a comfort zone. But that false sense of
security made the world outside her crate seem all the
more scary.

Starr was unintentionally "taught" that whenever
something was unusual in the house that she was to go to
her "safe place" and then everything would be all right.

The problem became evident when we got Starr home
afterher training in FL. Starr was so much more confident
in herself. But her fear was triggered by all her past
feelings associated with her familiar surroundings.

Mr. Howe told me to expect Starr might back-slide and
to simply keep working her until she came around.

I worked with my dog but at night I put her in her
crate. The next morning all the work I had been through
the day before, and whatever progress she had made seemed
to have disappeared.

I spoke to Mr. Howe about what was going on and he
explained that the false sense of security Starr got from
the crate was making her fear the outside world. When she
got in the crate she felt safe, after all that was where
I put her whenever something was unstable [if I left, company
etc..] When she came out she was leaving behind that security.

At first I was going to try to recondition her to being
in the crate but I was so afraid of all the training and
confidence she got in FL being lost that I decided to just
stop using the crate. So I left her in my bed room instead.

She was not comfortable with this at first. It seemed
like she felt she didn't know where she belonged and that
made her anxious. But using the "surrogate toy" technique
and sound distraction and praise cured her of this anxiety
in less then a half hour.

Now Starr is comfortable and content to hang out alone
in my room. She's not emotionally confined to just my bed
or to her doggy bed and she is not at all destructive. I
am lucky that Starr's separation anxiety was never expressed
in messing or chewing, though once she took my violin shoulder
rest from my closet and kept it with her on my bed. She did,
however tip over my waste basket twice. Both times I addressed
the expression as it says in Jerry's manual and that's no
longer a problem.

Crystal Arcidy

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> Paul E. Schoen schrieb:
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>> When I had to go away for 8-12 hours, I always [snip]
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> This bit took my breath away, and then I started to wonder if there is a
> cultural difference operating here.
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> Is it generally acceptable where you live to leave dogs alone inside for
> this length of time?
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> Sally

I was very concerned at first when I started leaving him alone in the
house, but only once have I ever had a problem. I think I had just fed him
half a can of dog food with gravy over a bowl of kibble, which he ate
quickly, and then I had to hurry off to work. I had taken him for a short
walk before he ate, but he didn't do very much. I had to work somewhat
later than usual, so it was probably 10-12 hours later that I came home to
find a small pile of poop and a small puddle of pee just inside the door,
and Muttley seemed apologetic. I praised him, and took him out for a much
deserved proper walk, where he really emptied himself (I think he had used
some restraint inside the house), and then I cleaned it up. I didn't use
anything special, just some detergent and bleach, and I'm sure there was
still some remaining odor, but there was never again any problem.

I make sure now that I do not feed him without allowing some time and then
allowing him to go out, but there is usually some kibble in his bowl all
day, and a full water dish. Often times he seems to wait until I come home
before he eats and drinks his fill, and then I take him for his evening
walk.

From what I have learned, this means that Muttley feels secure in his
"den", and is careful not to soil it. Previously, when my cat was still in
the house, I think he eliminated inside as a marking behavior, and also he
did not feel full "ownership" of the house as his den, especially when I
was usually leaving him tethered outside, where he usually did his
business.

Even after he was very reliable in the house, I took him to my other house
next door, which is used for storage, and allowed him to explore while I
looked for something. In that short time, he peed and pooped on the floor.
I pointed to it and told him "No", put him outside, and cleaned it up. He
has not done that again. I didn't make a big deal about it, but just told
him it was not a desired behavior. That seemed to work for him.

But each dog is an individual, and what works for one may not work for
another.

Paul and Muttley
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in rec.pets.dogs.behavior, sallytighe <tigheWITHOUTTHIS.DeleteThis@gmx.net> wrote in
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> Is it generally acceptable where you live to leave dogs alone inside for
> this length of time?

Yup. When Gen goes back to work in September, Moogli will be alone at home
for times that could range from 6 hours to 9 hours, depending on what
after-school activities she has.

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Why can't you put him in the crate he sleeps in?
He seems very secure there from your description.

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