Cracked Beak

This is dangerous for some one who does not know how to do it. You could
seriously injury the bird.

"tonyf" <fantea RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:15:45 GMT, "L K Campbell" <vincamp RemoveThis @in.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >My pet pigeon cracked his beak over the weekend. After a mad dash to the
> >vet, his beak was glued and bandaged. The vet said that the crack did
not
> >go right the way through the beak...and said he would be sore for a
couple
> >of days but would be fine.
> >
> >My problem is...that he has not eaten anything or had a drink since....I
am
> >very worried about him in this regard, especially after reading posts on
> >other newsgroups about birds starving to death with these injuries.
> >
> >The vet won't be available for 24 hours after this post. Is there any
way I
> >can get him to eat something? Is there something softer than seeds that
I
> >could give him? How long can a pigeon go without food before being in
harms
> >way?
> >
> >Lorraine
> >
> Hello Lorraine, take a go to the feed store and but a pound of chicken
> laying pellets. Take a straw and put several pellets in the end.
> Insert the end into the pigeons mouth and push it past his air vent
> and gently blow the pellets into the birds craw. Put maybe five
> or six pellets at a time in there. Do this three or four times and
> then put water in the straw and hold your finger over the end so the
> water doesn't run out and insert the straw the same way. It works for
> me. Of course there are exceptions.
> good luck,
> tonyf
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 17:22:07 -0300, "NaDeana"
<nadeana.TakeThisOut@GOTTATAKETHISOUTeastlink.ca> wrote:

>This is dangerous for some one who does not know how to do it. You could
>seriously injury the bird.

I have used this technique for ever. I have never injured a bird like
this. I guess you would have her go back and hand another hundred
bucks with the vet? This isn't rocket science. The owner could have
done the same thing with crazy glue. The bandage is probably the
reason the poor bird can't eat. Most vets don't have a clue when it
comes to birds. Most times a little common sense goes a long way.
General first aid will get you through about 90% of the problems that
happens to pigeons. The other 10% end up as fatalities. Reading
a good pigeon book or maybe a copy of Robert Strouds' disease
book will go a long ways to help in diagnosing problems you birds
have. This includes injuries to the birds. Having always raised flying
varieties of pigeons, I have encountered a wide variety of injuries.
tonyf
>"tonyf" <fantea.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:cjuea0hffhn23vo37104t5em1quv12st3e@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:15:45 GMT, "L K Campbell" <vincamp.TakeThisOut@in.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >My pet pigeon cracked his beak over the weekend. After a mad dash to the
>> >vet, his beak was glued and bandaged. The vet said that the crack did
>not
>> >go right the way through the beak...and said he would be sore for a
>couple
>> >of days but would be fine.
>> >
>> >My problem is...that he has not eaten anything or had a drink since....I
>am
>> >very worried about him in this regard, especially after reading posts on
>> >other newsgroups about birds starving to death with these injuries.
>> >
>> >The vet won't be available for 24 hours after this post. Is there any
>way I
>> >can get him to eat something? Is there something softer than seeds that
>I
>> >could give him? How long can a pigeon go without food before being in
>harms
>> >way?
>> >
>> >Lorraine
>> >
>> Hello Lorraine, take a go to the feed store and but a pound of chicken
>> laying pellets. Take a straw and put several pellets in the end.
>> Insert the end into the pigeons mouth and push it past his air vent
>> and gently blow the pellets into the birds craw. Put maybe five
>> or six pellets at a time in there. Do this three or four times and
>> then put water in the straw and hold your finger over the end so the
>> water doesn't run out and insert the straw the same way. It works for
>> me. Of course there are exceptions.
>> good luck,
>> tonyf
>
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I stand by what I have stated.


"tonyf" <fantea DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 16 May 2004 17:22:07 -0300, "NaDeana"
> <nadeana DeleteThis @GOTTATAKETHISOUTeastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> >This is dangerous for some one who does not know how to do it. You could
> >seriously injury the bird.
>
> I have used this technique for ever. I have never injured a bird like
> this. I guess you would have her go back and hand another hundred
> bucks with the vet? This isn't rocket science. The owner could have
> done the same thing with crazy glue. The bandage is probably the
> reason the poor bird can't eat. Most vets don't have a clue when it
> comes to birds. Most times a little common sense goes a long way.
> General first aid will get you through about 90% of the problems that
> happens to pigeons. The other 10% end up as fatalities. Reading
> a good pigeon book or maybe a copy of Robert Strouds' disease
> book will go a long ways to help in diagnosing problems you birds
> have. This includes injuries to the birds. Having always raised flying
> varieties of pigeons, I have encountered a wide variety of injuries.
> tonyf
> >"tonyf" <fantea DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >news:cjuea0hffhn23vo37104t5em1quv12st3e@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 16 May 2004 11:15:45 GMT, "L K Campbell" <vincamp DeleteThis @in.com.au>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >My pet pigeon cracked his beak over the weekend. After a mad dash to
the
> >> >vet, his beak was glued and bandaged. The vet said that the crack did
> >not
> >> >go right the way through the beak...and said he would be sore for a
> >couple
> >> >of days but would be fine.
> >> >
> >> >My problem is...that he has not eaten anything or had a drink
since....I
> >am
> >> >very worried about him in this regard, especially after reading posts
on
> >> >other newsgroups about birds starving to death with these injuries.
> >> >
> >> >The vet won't be available for 24 hours after this post. Is there any
> >way I
> >> >can get him to eat something? Is there something softer than seeds
that
> >I
> >> >could give him? How long can a pigeon go without food before being in
> >harms
> >> >way?
> >> >
> >> >Lorraine
> >> >
> >> Hello Lorraine, take a go to the feed store and but a pound of chicken
> >> laying pellets. Take a straw and put several pellets in the end.
> >> Insert the end into the pigeons mouth and push it past his air vent
> >> and gently blow the pellets into the birds craw. Put maybe five
> >> or six pellets at a time in there. Do this three or four times and
> >> then put water in the straw and hold your finger over the end so the
> >> water doesn't run out and insert the straw the same way. It works for
> >> me. Of course there are exceptions.
> >> good luck,
> >> tonyf
> >
>
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"NaDeana" <nadeana.TakeThisOut@GOTTATAKETHISOUTeastlink.ca> wrote in message news:<Q3Qpc.41934$kc2.626810@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
> This is dangerous for some one who does not know how to do it. You could
> seriously injury the bird.

I just love it when someone tells you how dangerous your advice is,
but offers nothing better......................

I did not read in the original post of a bandage.................
the one thing that has worked for me with babies, young birds, old birds,
sick birds..........if the bird is thirsty, and is capable of drinking,
just hold the bird and dip it's beak in the water and it will drink.

It is traumatic for a bird to be force-fed if it doesn't want to eat.
I would not force it until it has gone at least 3 days without food and water.
Otherwise, just place some seed-mix in front of the bird, and let it nibble and
take what it can handle. Obviously, smaller seeds are going to be less hassle
for the bird.
If after 3 days the bird still will not eat or drink, the K-Tee formula is the
best, and should be used with an eye dropper. You only need to get a tablespoon
worth into the bird on a daily basis.
E-Man
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Thanks so much for your input Onorio, Tony and NaDeana.

I have taken my bird back to the vet....and they gave him a crop feed....I
didn't feel real confident in doing it myself, I did't want to injure his
beak any further than it is already.

A few hours before I took him in, he drank a good fill of water on his
own...so that made me a little happier.

I would love to take the bandage off his beak...but unfortunately the way
they did it....was to put the glue on his beak....with a strip of fabric
bandaid on top of that...shaped to the shape of his beak.....so that there
isnt any stray edges...so the bandage is stuck to the beak by the glue at
this point. They said this was to give it support.

This is an avian specialist vet that I was referred to by my usual vet....so
after a couple of hours drive either way and a couple of hundred
dollars....I have a hungry bird with a bandaged beak for better or worse.

The vet said that the crop feed he had should do him until this evening...by
which time I should try popping some seeds into his beak which he should
swallow (this hasn't worked so far because of his tantrums and my being so
afraid of hurting him but I'll keep trying).

He has an interest in seeds on his own....pecks at them...but just can't
seem to get them up into his beak. If I can't get some into his beak and he
still can't eat on his own in the morning....then I will take him to my
local vet who will show me how to crop feed the formula mix.

Tony I'm sure your advice was very good......I even have layer pellets
here.....but I was and still am...just so afraid of opening his beak and
hurting him......as well as hurting him by sticking a straw into his
crop.....maybe I will have more confidence if and when the vey shows me how
to do it properly with a crop needle and formula.

Once again....thank you all for your input.........I'll let you know how we
go.

Lorraine

"L K Campbell" <vincamp RemoveThis @in.com.au> wrote in message
news:B3Ipc.2109$IH5.95117@news.optus.net.au...
> My pet pigeon cracked his beak over the weekend. After a mad dash to the
> vet, his beak was glued and bandaged. The vet said that the crack did not
> go right the way through the beak...and said he would be sore for a couple
> of days but would be fine.
>
> My problem is...that he has not eaten anything or had a drink since....I
am
> very worried about him in this regard, especially after reading posts on
> other newsgroups about birds starving to death with these injuries.
>
> The vet won't be available for 24 hours after this post. Is there any way
I
> can get him to eat something? Is there something softer than seeds that I
> could give him? How long can a pigeon go without food before being in
harms
> way?
>
> Lorraine
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Cracked Beak 

She was doing everything exactly right by taking the bird to an avian vet.
Shoving anything, let alone a straw, down the crop of an unwilling bird with
an injured beak is inhumane if you are not trained in the proper technique.
I will not advise people on how to kill their pet. Sometimes no advice is
the best advice. You did the right thing LK!!


"E-Man" <ef29 DeleteThis @drexel.edu> wrote in message
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> "NaDeana" <nadeana DeleteThis @GOTTATAKETHISOUTeastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:<Q3Qpc.41934$kc2.626810@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
> > This is dangerous for some one who does not know how to do it. You could
> > seriously injury the bird.
>
> I just love it when someone tells you how dangerous your advice is,
> but offers nothing better......................
>
> I did not read in the original post of a bandage.................
> the one thing that has worked for me with babies, young birds, old birds,
> sick birds..........if the bird is thirsty, and is capable of drinking,
> just hold the bird and dip it's beak in the water and it will drink.
>
> It is traumatic for a bird to be force-fed if it doesn't want to eat.
> I would not force it until it has gone at least 3 days without food and
water.
> Otherwise, just place some seed-mix in front of the bird, and let it
nibble and
> take what it can handle. Obviously, smaller seeds are going to be less
hassle
> for the bird.
> If after 3 days the bird still will not eat or drink, the K-Tee formula is
the
> best, and should be used with an eye dropper. You only need to get a
tablespoon
> worth into the bird on a daily basis.
> E-Man
 >> Stay informed about: Cracked Beak 

No need to puff up like a partridge because someone
explained how to take care of the pigeon with out paying
a crazy bunch of money to a vet. I have never killed a
bird by trying to save it. I don't understand what you mean
about being an unwilling to receive treatment. While I
don't consider my pigeons as pets they are tame enough
that I can handle them without a big struggle. I feel like
my forty five years with pigeons gives me enough experience
to recommend a course of treatment that if done like I
suggest will make the bird recover and to not kill it.
Maybe you can afford to go pay for the vet's new
car or house. While I can afford to take a bird to
the vet there isn't one within a hundred miles that
I would trust. Just don't let your drawers get in a wad
because I answered a question. I might add that I
don't just sit here and recommend a course of action
without knowing what the hell I am talking about. This isn't
the first time you have flamed me about advice I give
on this ng. I am not looking for your approval of my
suggestions. I think you will always see at the end of
my post that I don't consider my advice as gospel
but, it has worked for me and my loft of birds over
the years.
tonyf



On Mon, 17 May 2004 12:26:16 -0300, "NaDeana"
<nadeana.RemoveThis@GOTTATAKETHISOUTeastlink.ca> wrote:

>She was doing everything exactly right by taking the bird to an avian vet.
>Shoving anything, let alone a straw, down the crop of an unwilling bird with
>an injured beak is inhumane if you are not trained in the proper technique.
>I will not advise people on how to kill their pet. Sometimes no advice is
>the best advice. You did the right thing LK!!
>
>
>"E-Man" <ef29.RemoveThis@drexel.edu> wrote in message
>news:e48ef388.0405170351.7bc116bb@posting.google.com...
>> "NaDeana" <nadeana.RemoveThis@GOTTATAKETHISOUTeastlink.ca> wrote in message
>news:<Q3Qpc.41934$kc2.626810@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
>> > This is dangerous for some one who does not know how to do it. You could
>> > seriously injury the bird.
>>
>> I just love it when someone tells you how dangerous your advice is,
>> but offers nothing better......................
>>
>> I did not read in the original post of a bandage.................
>> the one thing that has worked for me with babies, young birds, old birds,
>> sick birds..........if the bird is thirsty, and is capable of drinking,
>> just hold the bird and dip it's beak in the water and it will drink.
>>
>> It is traumatic for a bird to be force-fed if it doesn't want to eat.
>> I would not force it until it has gone at least 3 days without food and
>water.
>> Otherwise, just place some seed-mix in front of the bird, and let it
>nibble and
>> take what it can handle. Obviously, smaller seeds are going to be less
>hassle
>> for the bird.
>> If after 3 days the bird still will not eat or drink, the K-Tee formula is
>the
>> best, and should be used with an eye dropper. You only need to get a
>tablespoon
>> worth into the bird on a daily basis.
>> E-Man
>
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Funny, I don't remember ever seeing your name before. Think what you like.
However, I *still* disagree with your advice, and if that is considered
"flaming" then so be it.



"tonyf" <fantea.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3etha0tjk66kbv8a79akdpht9t6cfbrdv4@4ax.com...
> No need to puff up like a partridge because someone
> explained how to take care of the pigeon with out paying
> a crazy bunch of money to a vet. I have never killed a
> bird by trying to save it. I don't understand what you mean
> about being an unwilling to receive treatment. While I
> don't consider my pigeons as pets they are tame enough
> that I can handle them without a big struggle. I feel like
> my forty five years with pigeons gives me enough experience
> to recommend a course of treatment that if done like I
> suggest will make the bird recover and to not kill it.
> Maybe you can afford to go pay for the vet's new
> car or house. While I can afford to take a bird to
> the vet there isn't one within a hundred miles that
> I would trust. Just don't let your drawers get in a wad
> because I answered a question. I might add that I
> don't just sit here and recommend a course of action
> without knowing what the hell I am talking about. This isn't
> the first time you have flamed me about advice I give
> on this ng. I am not looking for your approval of my
> suggestions. I think you will always see at the end of
> my post that I don't consider my advice as gospel
> but, it has worked for me and my loft of birds over
> the years.
> tonyf
>
>
>
> On Mon, 17 May 2004 12:26:16 -0300, "NaDeana"
> <nadeana.TakeThisOut@GOTTATAKETHISOUTeastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> >She was doing everything exactly right by taking the bird to an avian
vet.
> >Shoving anything, let alone a straw, down the crop of an unwilling bird
with
> >an injured beak is inhumane if you are not trained in the proper
technique.
> >I will not advise people on how to kill their pet. Sometimes no advice is
> >the best advice. You did the right thing LK!!
> >
> >
> >"E-Man" <ef29.TakeThisOut@drexel.edu> wrote in message
> >news:e48ef388.0405170351.7bc116bb@posting.google.com...
> >> "NaDeana" <nadeana.TakeThisOut@GOTTATAKETHISOUTeastlink.ca> wrote in message
> >news:<Q3Qpc.41934$kc2.626810@nnrp1.uunet.ca>...
> >> > This is dangerous for some one who does not know how to do it. You
could
> >> > seriously injury the bird.
> >>
> >> I just love it when someone tells you how dangerous your advice is,
> >> but offers nothing better......................
> >>
> >> I did not read in the original post of a bandage.................
> >> the one thing that has worked for me with babies, young birds, old
birds,
> >> sick birds..........if the bird is thirsty, and is capable of drinking,
> >> just hold the bird and dip it's beak in the water and it will drink.
> >>
> >> It is traumatic for a bird to be force-fed if it doesn't want to eat.
> >> I would not force it until it has gone at least 3 days without food and
> >water.
> >> Otherwise, just place some seed-mix in front of the bird, and let it
> >nibble and
> >> take what it can handle. Obviously, smaller seeds are going to be less
> >hassle
> >> for the bird.
> >> If after 3 days the bird still will not eat or drink, the K-Tee formula
is
> >the
> >> best, and should be used with an eye dropper. You only need to get a
> >tablespoon
> >> worth into the bird on a daily basis.
> >> E-Man
> >
>
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I'm really sorry this topic has started a disagreement, but I really do
appreciate the help that you have ALL given me at a time that I was
extremely worried about a beloved pet.

I ended up going to the avian vet twice....the first initial visit where he
was glued and bandaged....and a followup a couple of days later when they
crop fed him some formula. I had worked out with a local vet that if he had
not improved by this morning...then I was to bring him down to them and they
would teach me how to crop feed him myself. Luckily this was not required.

He had already started drinking on his own and this morning....as soon as I
opened the back door....he flew over to his favourite dried up mud puddle
and dug around in that for a while picking up tiny bits of dirt and
shell....in the mean time I went and bought a smaller seed mix as his pigeon
mix is all large seeds (thanks for that advice re the small seeds E-Man) and
he has been poking at the new seed mix most of the day. This part really
annoys me....because the avian vet specifically said to me to try and get
him to eat the larger seeds.....and to pop some of the larger pea sized
seeds down his throat if I could. But it is the tiny seeds that he is
eating at the moment.

I also bought some Roudy Bush hand feed mix just in case....but he really
seems to be happy with the tiny seeds...so I don't think I will need it, it
will be handy to have around anyway.

I have no doubt that he will be sore for some time to come, but I know now
that he will be OK thanks in large part to all your contributions.

Many thanks again.

Lorraine


"L K Campbell" <vincamp RemoveThis @in.com.au> wrote in message
news:B3Ipc.2109$IH5.95117@news.optus.net.au...
> My pet pigeon cracked his beak over the weekend. After a mad dash to the
> vet, his beak was glued and bandaged. The vet said that the crack did not
> go right the way through the beak...and said he would be sore for a couple
> of days but would be fine.
>
> My problem is...that he has not eaten anything or had a drink since....I
am
> very worried about him in this regard, especially after reading posts on
> other newsgroups about birds starving to death with these injuries.
>
> The vet won't be available for 24 hours after this post. Is there any way
I
> can get him to eat something? Is there something softer than seeds that I
> could give him? How long can a pigeon go without food before being in
harms
> way?
>
> Lorraine
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Cracked Beak