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Blue Circle

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:24 pm
Post subject: Corn Snake
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Hello,

I visited my local pet shop which sells snakes, vivs and heating / lighting
equipment.

I bought a 4 ft long ready made viv, set it up and then collected my new
corn snake (about 2 months old).
I have never kept snakes before.

All went well for about 7 weeks, the corn was eating well (2 pinkies every 4
days).
She shed her skin twice in this time, and was approaching her next shed.

But yesterday, on returning home from work, I found her dead in the viv.
She had managed to get inside the guard around the heating element
(previously I did not know it was possible for her to get inside).

I am assuming she died from over-heating (but not sure why she did not
wriggle back out again if she was too hot).
I am considering replacing her, but I am reluctant, as I obviously do not
want a repeat of this.

I would like advice, should I try to find different equipment / viv?
Is the 4ft viv too big?
Should I not use a heating element with guard but try something else?

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Dewitt

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:17 pm
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On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:24:00 -0000, "Blue Circle" <no_spam.DeleteThis@aol.com>
wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I visited my local pet shop which sells snakes, vivs and heating / lighting
>equipment.
>
>I bought a 4 ft long ready made viv, set it up and then collected my new
>corn snake (about 2 months old).
>I have never kept snakes before.
>
>All went well for about 7 weeks, the corn was eating well (2 pinkies every 4
>days).
>She shed her skin twice in this time, and was approaching her next shed.
>
>But yesterday, on returning home from work, I found her dead in the viv.
>She had managed to get inside the guard around the heating element
>(previously I did not know it was possible for her to get inside).
>
>I am assuming she died from over-heating (but not sure why she did not
>wriggle back out again if she was too hot).
>I am considering replacing her, but I am reluctant, as I obviously do not
>want a repeat of this.
>
>I would like advice, should I try to find different equipment / viv?
>Is the 4ft viv too big?
>Should I not use a heating element with guard but try something else?
>
>
>

I don't know what kind of heating element you are describing, but
heating elements should not be anywhere the snake can possibly come in
contact with them - i.e., they should be outside the cage. As you
have found out, snakes are the most intelligent of critters. . For
corn snakes, UTH (under tank heaters) are generally the way to go. And
you'll need either a rheostat or thermostat to control the
temperature. Ceramic heat elements are OK, but they need to be
mounted above a screen top. Heated rocks are a big no-no. In
general, pet stores are poor places to get advice on caring for snakes
and poor places to purchase snakes. You can typically get healthier
snakes for less money from a breeder.

A four foot long tank is really more than you need for a even a large
adult corn snake, Hatchlings in particular often feel more secure in
a tank more appropriate to their size. A 5 to 10 gallon tank is
sufficient. A basic rule is to upgrade when the snake's length
exceeds the length + the depth of the tank. A 10 gallon tank, the
base of which is 20" x 10", can therefore accommodate a 30" snake. I
have a couple corns I purchased as hatchlings in the summer of 2005.
They spent 10 months in 5 gallon tanks and then went directly into 20
gallon tanks which are 30" x 12".

For lots more info on the care of corn snakes, go to www.cornsnake.com
Read the care sheet there and look in on the cornsnake discussion
forum.

deg

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Dewitt

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:26 pm
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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:17:30 GMT, Dewitt
<dewittwebno.RemoveThis@spamearthlink.net> wrote:

> As you
>have found out, snakes are the most intelligent of critters.

Make that "snakes are not the most intelligent of critters."

deg
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:49 am
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"Dewitt" <dewittwebno.RemoveThis@spamearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:lh47l2l62451ffmjipgdd766hvqtd3fmp9@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 20:24:00 -0000, "Blue Circle" <no_spam.RemoveThis@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I visited my local pet shop which sells snakes, vivs and heating /
>>lighting
>>equipment.
>>
>>I bought a 4 ft long ready made viv, set it up and then collected my new
>>corn snake (about 2 months old).
>>I have never kept snakes before.
>>
>>All went well for about 7 weeks, the corn was eating well (2 pinkies every
>>4
>>days).
>>She shed her skin twice in this time, and was approaching her next shed.
>>
>>But yesterday, on returning home from work, I found her dead in the viv.
>>She had managed to get inside the guard around the heating element
>>(previously I did not know it was possible for her to get inside).
>>
>>I am assuming she died from over-heating (but not sure why she did not
>>wriggle back out again if she was too hot).
>>I am considering replacing her, but I am reluctant, as I obviously do not
>>want a repeat of this.
>>
>>I would like advice, should I try to find different equipment / viv?
>>Is the 4ft viv too big?
>>Should I not use a heating element with guard but try something else?
>>
>>
>>
>
> I don't know what kind of heating element you are describing, but
> heating elements should not be anywhere the snake can possibly come in
> contact with them - i.e., they should be outside the cage. As you
> have found out, snakes are the most intelligent of critters. . For
> corn snakes, UTH (under tank heaters) are generally the way to go. And
> you'll need either a rheostat or thermostat to control the
> temperature. Ceramic heat elements are OK, but they need to be
> mounted above a screen top. Heated rocks are a big no-no. In
> general, pet stores are poor places to get advice on caring for snakes
> and poor places to purchase snakes. You can typically get healthier
> snakes for less money from a breeder.
>
> A four foot long tank is really more than you need for a even a large
> adult corn snake, Hatchlings in particular often feel more secure in
> a tank more appropriate to their size. A 5 to 10 gallon tank is
> sufficient. A basic rule is to upgrade when the snake's length
> exceeds the length + the depth of the tank. A 10 gallon tank, the
> base of which is 20" x 10", can therefore accommodate a 30" snake. I
> have a couple corns I purchased as hatchlings in the summer of 2005.
> They spent 10 months in 5 gallon tanks and then went directly into 20
> gallon tanks which are 30" x 12".
>
> For lots more info on the care of corn snakes, go to www.cornsnake.com
> Read the care sheet there and look in on the cornsnake discussion
> forum.
>
> deg

Thankyou!!!, checked out the link and its links.

I have now purchased a much smaller viv (designed for hatchlings) and new
hatchling from a different shop.

I now use the larger viv to enclose the smaller viv!!
The larger viv has thermostat and grill protected heater element (but not
proof against young corns!!).
I use the large viv to keep a temperature of about 74 F (my home is not
central heated), the small viv has a heat mat under about 40% of it at one
end.

The new corn seems very happy, and is a gentle friendly curious snake,
especially loves to explore the inside of my sleeve when handled (-: It is
amazing how different corns can be.

I think perhaps the first shop I had found was a bit dodgy.
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Muppet

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:59 pm
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> I now use the larger viv to enclose the smaller viv!!

Do make sure that there's still air getting inside. :o)

> The larger viv has thermostat and grill protected heater element (but not
> proof against young corns!!).
> I use the large viv to keep a temperature of about 74 F (my home is not
> central heated), the small viv has a heat mat under about 40% of it at one
> end.

Sounds fine. I have a 2' glass viv with a juvenile Royal Python (Python
Regius) in it, and that has a heat mat under about 30% of it's floor. I
don't have a thermostat fitted since the snake can move about to adjust
its temperature, and there are plenty of hiding places throughout the
temperature gradient.

> The new corn seems very happy, and is a gentle friendly curious snake,
> especially loves to explore the inside of my sleeve when handled (-: It is
> amazing how different corns can be.

.... and what kind of spaces they can squeeze through! My first snakes
were garter snakes (Thamnopis Siritalis) and they were forever getting
out of their enclosure.

> I think perhaps the first shop I had found was a bit dodgy.

I think it's the difficult choice of running a business versus being a
conscientious vendor, not many shops manage it.

Mup.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:47 pm
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Greetings;

I'm new to this group. Where's a good site to learn about garter snakes? I
could Google for the information but there's so much stuff to wade through.
You folks would know better where a good and accurate site would be. Thanks
for any help you can give me.

Sincerely,

Bruce.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:56 pm
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I would never use any type of heating element or light on the interior of
the aquarium. A heating pad is your best bet. Connected to a thermostat to
regular the temperature. There are several places you can check on line to
tell you how to set one up.

"Blue Circle" <no_spam.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> I visited my local pet shop which sells snakes, vivs and heating /
> lighting equipment.
>
> I bought a 4 ft long ready made viv, set it up and then collected my new
> corn snake (about 2 months old).
> I have never kept snakes before.
>
> All went well for about 7 weeks, the corn was eating well (2 pinkies every
> 4 days).
> She shed her skin twice in this time, and was approaching her next shed.
>
> But yesterday, on returning home from work, I found her dead in the viv.
> She had managed to get inside the guard around the heating element
> (previously I did not know it was possible for her to get inside).
>
> I am assuming she died from over-heating (but not sure why she did not
> wriggle back out again if she was too hot).
> I am considering replacing her, but I am reluctant, as I obviously do not
> want a repeat of this.
>
> I would like advice, should I try to find different equipment / viv?
> Is the 4ft viv too big?
> Should I not use a heating element with guard but try something else?
>
>
>
>
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