HOWEDY People,
What dog abusing coward sez "MOTIVATIONAL
LEASH POPS?" Doesn't that mean jerk and choke
an do what I tell you or I'll jerk and choke you
someMOORE till you do what I sez?
You'll find the answer to that an a whole lot
MOORE below, as we IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE
and DISCREDIT lying dog abusing punk thug
cowards or prove they're MENTAL CASES:
HOWEDY FRAUDreck,
"Sitmeanssit" <sitmeanssit DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Would like to congratulate Roger Hild
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has reviewed
roger's "work" and has DISCREDITED him
based on his own written words, below.
> for being elected to the board of the C.A.P.D.T.
> (Canadian Association of Professional Pet Dog
> Trainers).
Sez it all, don't it.
> Just got to see Roger for the 2nd year in a
> row at our recent "No Limitations" seminar
> in Toronto Canada.
You think he needed a refresher course?
You think he can't find the big red button
marked BURN, FRAUDreck?
> Roger also brought a few of his clients, as
> he did last year as well.
Must be pretty EMBARRASSING. Misery
LOVES company, eh FRAUDreck?
> Just a matter of time before the wise people
> get pretty much everywhere.
Yeah. Pretty soon, FRAUDreck. Perhaps sooner
than you think. The Amazing Puppy Wizard took
the liberty of SHARING your information with the
membership of CAPTD. They'll be eager to share
the good news.
> Fred Hassen
> www.fredhassen.com
>
Subject: Re: Article
Date: 2003-08-10 15:14:34 PST
HOWEDY FRAUDreck,
"Sitmeanssit" <sitmeanssit DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Here is an article that was recently published in the CAPPDT,
> a newsletter for professional dog trainers in Canada.
BWWAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
> Information on the "No Limitations" dog trainers school
> can be found at www.nolimitations.biz
BWWWWAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
FRAUDreck is a CON man. He's got a SCAM goin with
his expensive shock collars. Ask gwen honey to discuss
her shock collar seminar with FRAUDreck. HER DOG
IS DEAD NHOWE because IT WASN'T TRAINED.
Ask cindi long abHOWET her dog Buck gettin HURT
by FRAUDreck and SHAKIN for 3 days after FAILING
to be taught to come when she was with him in person.
It's in HOWER archives.
> and a television show show on this types of training can
> also be viewed on the site, where you
> can get a 'visual picture' of what exactly takes place.
We seen that already, FRAUDreck. EVERY DOG SHOCKED
SHOWED EACH TIME HE WAS GETTIN HURT WITH A FLINCH.
Took WEEKS to do what The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Student's learn in
a couple days, maybe LESS, FOR FREE.
> Remote Collar Training - A Report - by Roger Hild
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!
We' think you bums was done EMBARRASSING
yourselves here...
> Does a "remote trainer" or e-collar have any
> place in a dog trainers toolbox?
No, cause real dog trainers don't NEED to HURT dogs.
> Are there any new techniques, that can be used
> with this tool, that enable a trainer to work more
> effectively and efficiently with a dog?
The TECHNIQUE is "DO IT or I'LL BURN YOU."
> Lynn K. <javagsd DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > But nobody would ever suggest that they be
> > used in the way you describe. In fact, it's grossly
> > unfair to give any dog ANY kind of physical correct
> > for incorrect behavior before that dog has been
> > taught the desired behavior and demonstrated
> > reliably that he understands what is wanted.
lying frost dahl calls FRAUDreck's method CRUEL,
and she's an abuser.
> These were just a couple questions I hoped to get answers to
Bein a big cheese with CAPPDT?
> when early in April of this year I took the opportunity
> to attend a three day "No Limitations," seminar on
> "remote collar training."
You mean, SHOCKING YOUR DOG?
> Two of my students (one with many years training experience
> and one with very little training experience) came with me to
> observe and learn.
TO HURT YOUR DOGS.
> The seminar was held just outside Toronto in a
> spacious horse riding arena. Despite the freezing
> rain on the first day, it was well attended with
> participants coming from many parts of southern
> Ontario and quite a large number from the USA
> as well. The featured speakers were Fred Hassen
Ahh yes, the talk shock radio host who called The
Puppy Wizard at 2a.m. and couldn't even say HULLO???
BEWAAAAHAHAHAAA!!!
Some talker he is, eh?
Back from my trip to see Fred and Best Friends Animal Sanctu...
Date: 1999/06/23
Ludwig Smith wrote:
> I have a hard time imagining a dog sitting in response
> to a buzzing at their butt. I would think that it would
> produce more of a 'tuck-butt/scoot/spin around' reaction
> than a regular sit. Is a sit the automatic response you
> usually get?
We didn't do this with my dogs since they already sit,
but when we used the collar on Buck's belly for the
stand, he did jump right up into a stand. The next few
times we did it, he jumped up and sniffed his belly.
The key would be to shape the stand over time so
that it didn't include the sniffing or spinning. After
about 4 times I did encourage him to look up at me
instead of sniffing his belly as he stood up, and that
helped a lot.
I would assume that in subsequent sessions we could
begin to continue the negative reinforcement until he stops
sniffing and looks ahead like he's supposed to in a stand.
In the beginning, though, the idea was to get him
to begin to move on his own in the proper direction.
So, likewise I would expect that when using the collar
for the sit at first we'd want to reinforce any movement
of his butt toward the ground, even if it included scooting
or spinning. Then over time (maybe even during that
same session) we could begin to shape the precise
behavior we want -- butt going down, dog not scooting
or spinning.
cindi
> and Behesha Grist.
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> As the participants arrived, I noticed it was a
> very typical group of
DOG ABUSERS, HALF WITS, and SADISTS.
> dogs and their owners.
People who NEED to HURT their dogs to train them...
> A few dogs had some training already and were well behaved
They was just there to polish up their trainin...
> while some were clearly not trained at all.
You mean, they was ready to HURT or KILL their dogs.
> Some dogs were lunging at other dogs and were needing to be
> restrained by their struggling owners.
The Puppy Wizard fixes that FOR FREE, NEARLY INSTANTLY,
from sittin right here, stark ravin nekkid.
> Some dogs were wearing remote trainers, some regular collars
> and some had head-halters on.
IOW, everybody comin was pretty well INCOMPETENT.
> There were at least two dogs present that had very serious
> aggression issues and both were muzzled and crated.
Yeah...
> Before collering any of the dogs all participants were given the
> experience of feeling the collar.
BWEWWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
That's the best part, when FRAUDreck sez "we'll turn the
power off. SEE? SHOCKIN YOUR DOG DON'T HURT!"
> It was set at the lowest setting and the levels were
> gradually increased until the participant first noticed
> it and then increased a couple levels above that.
Yeah. HOWE COME you use TEST LITES?
> Everyone agreed that the "stim" (stimulation)
> was not untoward and felt rather like the "TENS"
> unit one might experience at a chiropractors or
> physiotherapists office.
Yeah. That's the kinda stuff DOGS DON'T LIKE.
> Any dogs started on the collar were put through a similar
process.
Yeah...to get them to ENJOY gettin BURNED.
> The collar was set at the lowest level and
> gradually increased until
Till IT HURT.
> the dog first noticed it (usually evidenced by an ear
> twitch or sideways glance in the direction of the collar).
Yeah. Meanin IT HURTS.
> This process was used to establish the working range/levels
You mean, to determine WHAT HURTS.
> for each dog.
That so?
> What was most fascinating was the application of the "stim"
You mean, the SHOCK.
> and the role it played.
It's INTENDED to HURT and INTIMIDATE.
> It was not used, as some might suppose, as an aversive
OF CURSE NOT! FRAUDreck gets the dog to LIKE PAIN.
> (though, as was explained, it could be if necessary).
BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU GOT GOIN FOR
YOU IS PAIN AND FEAR.
> The approach was not corrective
Of CURSE not! It was FUN!
> or punishing
FRAUDreck conditions the dogs to LOVE PAIN.
> but rather motivational
Right! Dogs DO THINGS MOORE when there's a PROMISE
of GETTIN BURNED, cause THEY LIKE GETTIN BURNED.
> and the first thing the dog learned was
His daddy's HURTIN HIM.
> "the language of the collar."
You mean, the language of GETTIN BURNED.
> The dog (guided by a long line) learned to
> move toward the handler at the "touch" of the collar.
IOW, "come here and I'll STOP HURTING you."
> Once the dog learned to move with the touch,
Or he'd GET HURT MOORE.
> the commands were given at the same time as the stim.
Stim? You mean in the LANGUAGE of your SHOCK COLLAR,
GETTIN BURNED when you give IT a command.
> The command/stim combination could be repeated,
INDEEDY! That's called DURESS, in the language of Websters.
> if the behavior was not performed, until it was performed.
CONSTANT PAIN TILL YOU DO WHAT DADDY SEZ?
Is THAT the LANGUAGE of your SHOCK COLLAR? That
HOWE Websters defndes DURESS and ATTRITION.
> Sometimes the stim
Stim? You mean, in the language of the SHOCK COLLAR?
In the language of Webster's, IT'S BURN TILL YOU DO WHAT
YOU'RE TOLD... DURESS.
> was applied in the midst of the performance in a prodding or
> encouraging manner (similar to "motivational leash pops")
You mean, like JERKING and CHOKING your dog.
You CANNOT MOTIVATE anybody with PAIN FEAR and FORCE.
> that seemed to increase alertness and desire.
IT MADE THEM ANXIHOWES and AFRAID.
It don't mater HOWE you HURT YOUR DOG... it AIN'T MOTIVATION.
> At this point there was no evidence of any distress noted,
Of curse not! EXXXCEPT the dogs shakin it off every time they
get BURNED as seen on the video.
You're a SADIST and a IMBECILE. Or a LIAR. Or BOTH.
Tune two collars to the same same an Put WON collar on
YOU and TRY IT with your dog. You'll NEVER use another
shock collar again.
GURARANTEED.
> indeed the dogs seemed quite relaxed.
WOULD YOU SEEM RELAXED WEARIN THE SHOCK
COLLAR IF YOUR DOG COULD PUSH THE BUTTON
ANY TIME HE FELT LIKE MOTIVATING YOU?
> What blew everyone away was when Fred worked with
> the aggressive dogs that I referred to earlier. The first
> aggressive dog was a mature GSD male. I had talked
> to the owner who confirmed this dog was very aggressive
> toward people as well as other dogs. Even with the muzzle
> on, the fiery temperament of the dog was evident.
Dogs like that train NEARLY INSTANTLY when you STOP HURTIN THEM.
> Fred couldn't get close enough to the dog to put on the collar
> and therefore had the owner put it on.
Duh-Oh!
> In addition to the long line, he had a second leash dragging
> from the collar in case the owner had to assist.
Yeah. Some dogs attack the DOG ABUSER with the trainsmitter
with the big red button marked BURN.
> Fred got the dog moving with him using the collar (as described
above)
To MOTIVATE the dog, like holdin a cookie in front of IT.
> and praised the dog when ever he was in close.
Yeah, that's pure positive trainin at it's best, eh?
> Within two minutes he had the dog walking calmly with him
UNDER DURESS.
> and after another five minutes or so, everyone was shocked
Collar get HOWETA control on him, did it?
> to see Fred reach down and remove the muzzle.
NO PROBLEMO! He's got his finger on the big red button
marked BURN on the shock trainsmitter...
> The dog performed perfectly and acted like
> Fred was his best friend.
Yeah. And FRAUDreck was ACTIN like he was ITS best
friend too... till he BURNED IT again.
> The dog was worked in this way for quite some time and
> then remuzzled and worked closely around the other dogs
> and people. He performed flawlessly and by the second
> day he no longer required a muzzle and worked all the
> exercises in the group along side everyone else.
WHILE UNDER DURESS.
Take that shock collar off and the dog does what it wants to do.
> Almost an identical story with the second dog -
> a two year old male Rotti. This dog had several
> bites under his belt and this was to be his last
> chance - the vet had been contacted to put the
> dog down if Fred couldn't help.
> The dog had to be managed on two leashes and
> was also muzzled. The work was much the same
> but it took abit longer - somewhere between 15
> minutes and a half hour. The dog also had to be
> kept muzzled longer and wasn't working in close
> proximity with the other dogs until midway through
> the second day and for parts of the third day.
Those dogs will only be NICE while UNDER DURESS.
> Both Fred and Behesha worked these dogs and have worked
> literally hundreds of dogs just like them.
They HURT dogs to train them. Their dogs WILL NOT PERFORM
withHOWET their shock collars. THAT'S FRAUDreck's SCAM. He
TRAINS the dog TO NEED his collar... or the dog goes HOWET
OF CONTROL.
That's the QUESTION FRAUDreck REFUSES to anwer, the
collar conditioning part. It's his SCAM.
> The results are a matter of public record -
The RESULTS are, the dogs are UNDER DURESS and will
NOT respond when that shock collar is taken off.
> both work with all kinds of dogs in the local pounds and
shelters.
No. They've ABUSED dogs at pHOWENDS and shelters.
> Both have ample references from these places of the results
> they have achieved.
The're DOG ABUSING FRAUDS.
> Aside from the astonishing results that everyone saw for
themselves,
What they don't know is the SCAM FRAUDreck is pullin on them.
IF YOU DON'T BUY HIS COLLAR, the dog GOES NUTS AGAIN.
> was the fact that even the pure novice trainer was
> able to quickly catch onto the technique
The "technique" is to BURN THE DOG CONSTANTLY
and SHUT IT OFF when IT coincidentally does what IT
was supposed to.
> and work confidently and well with their own dogs.
TILL YOU TAKE THE SHOCK COLLAR OFF.
IT'S A SCAM. The dog IS NOT TRAINED, he's AFRAID.
That means the dog WILL BREAK COMMAND, WHEN
HE DON'T THINK HE'LL GET BURNED.
THAT'S DURESS.
"The son of a slave, is a slave."
> What follows is the experience as reported by one of
> the participants and reprinted with his permission:
Oh, this'll be NICE!
<snip sorry tail>
> "I am now equipped with an answer to anyone who
> might frown at the e-collar: IN 3 DAYS THE COLLAR
> RAISED THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THIS DOG
> IMMEASURABLY.
You mean, the dog went from being feared and
abused, to being abused.
> Whereas he was once crate-bound, constantly
> scolded and always followed by an apprehensive
> eye he now has freedom in the house, will enjoy
> longer, more free walks and will even be allowed
> to resume swimming in the water he once loved
> as a tiny (harmless) 2 month old (another privilege
> he lost after I had to "swim in" to retrieve my unruly
> retriever).
So, being able to HURT IT at any time makes the dog
MOTIVATED and care free?
> Most importantly: This was NOT a dog that was neglected or
> left unsocialized as a puppy. He DID get properly socialized,
> he DID do obedience training, he DID get A LOT of practice
> using the leash and cookie method.
THAT'S HOWE COME THE DOG WENT NUTS.
> The bottom line was that he was
ABUSED according to traditional dog abusers called trainers.
> smart enough to figure out that he was faster
> and stronger than most and knew what he could
> get away with. As soon as the leash was in the
> hands of a weak individual or as soon as he was
> within distance to escape, he would.
OF CURSE! AN NUTHIN'S CHANGED.
> The e-collar puts control BACK in our hands.
SO LONG AS YOU CAN HURT HIM.
> "I've met a whole bunch of other people with dogs
> in the neighborhood who have failed the e-collar.
> I walked into this guy that had a pretty well behaved
> brown lab; I quote: "we tried the e-collars but they
> did not work for her" Compared to our pre-e-collar
> dog his dog was almost well-trained when well
> anchored by a leash.
YOU MEAN, FORCED.
> I know this would have been our experience had we not been
> taught how to use it first. I shudder thinking the many people
> who have purchased these off-shelf, without training, to use
> as a strictly punishment device
YOU MEAN, INSTEAD OF BURNIN THE DOG ALL THE TIME?
> ( the people like us, who would have given-in to our dogs
> manipulative nature)."
You mean, incompetent dog abusers?
> Bottom line is this piece of equipment, like any
> piece of equipment, must be used properly.
> When it is used properly, the results are
> very impressive.
If you're INCOMPETENT.
> Is there a place for it in a dog trainers toolbox?
NO. Cause the dog ain't TRAINED, he's FORCED
thru FEAR and PAIN.
> I leave that question for you to decide - I found
> room in my toolbox for mine.
Cause you was such a expert with CAPPDT?
Here's what we're talking about.
> Cindi Long wrote:
Hello Cindi,
I don't want to make you look stupid, but you force me to.
>> Hi Ludwig! I'll give my answer and Fred can elaborate too.
>> How would you work something like the 'Stand' with an e-
>> collar?
>
> Ludwig Smith wrote:
> Theoretically it could work just like any other correction.
You mean not very effectively, yet cruel and abusive?
Nice combo.
>> Buck knows what stand means but he waits for
>> me to put my foot under him and give him a tickle
>> before he moves.
Because you don't know howe to train him. I teach
the stand, without pulling or using the foot, I never
touch or lift them up. Those are all useless techniques
that cause the dog not to want to work.
>> I have just been getting to the point of really
>> correcting him for not standing and for waiting
>> for my foot or my hand or whatever, because I
>> believe he should know by now what I want.
If he did, he'd be doing it. But don't worry about
reason, you got force and brutality going for you.
Yes, you can get more aggressive as the dog learns
more. I like it when I get to the point I can just start
jerking the dogs around, shocking them, and punishing
them for not listening to me.
The difficult part is, they enjoy working for me when
I don't do those things to them. Their owners greatly
appreciate that too. So, to keep them working well
for me, I forego the pleasure of jerking, choking, and
burning them.
Not much fun for me, I don't even get to look
MACHO, but it works, so I keep doing it the
same way.
Why do you continue doing what obviously
doesn't work, the same way?
>> I thought what I could do with the e-collar
>> would be to condition him to the collar so
>> that he learns that he's able to shut it off,
Didn't Fraud Die show you howe to burn the dog until another
behavior happened, and then you tell him that's what you wanted
from him? It's confusing, but they'll do something after they're
burned awhile.
>> and then command him to stand and buzz him
Buzz him? Don't you mean BURN him, you filthy
dog abusing freaky lying FRAUD Thug?
>> until he makes a move to stand up, just like
>> how I'd use any other correction or negative reinforcer.
You mean kind of like linking a behavior? Like,
linking the command to the burn, link the burn
to the collar, link the collar to your hands, link
your hands to the big red button marked burn
in your hand?
That makes sense. Your dog knows you are
punishing him till he does something brilliant.
That's smarter than me, that's for sure. Took
me this long to figure it out.
>> Then over time I'd shape that moving toward
>> standing up into a nice, quick stand with attention.
That should happen instantly, with the first burn.
>> However, Fred had an even better idea. He
>> had me put the collar around Buck's belly,
>> with the business end on his belly.
That's Fraud Die, always helpful.
>> Then I gave the stand command and a short
>> burst of the collar caused Buck to jump right up.
Good for you! I'll bet Buck enjoyed it as much as
you and that other freak.
>> He was jumping up to get away from the buzz,
>> which is slightly different from what I had in mind
>> as described above.
Yes, dogs experience electricity much more intensely
than people do. It makes them paranoid. Can you say
post traumatic stress disorder?
I can, that will happen.
>> It's still a negative reinforcer, but it takes advantage
>> of the dog's desire to move away from the sensation.
You are sickening, lazy, and insensitive. Ignorant
beyond belief. Reprehensible. Words cannot
describe HOWE I detest your mind and reasoning.
Buck will have problems because of your lack of good
judgment.
>> If I had an e-collar I would continue on this path
>> until Buck demonstrated an understanding of the
>> stand command, and then I'd move the e-collar
>> to his neck and use it as a negative reinforcer,
>> if necessary, for the stand (and whatever else).
I don't think I want to play anymore. Does Buck?
At least he'll understand that stand doesn't mean
your going to kick him in the belly, just burn him
instead. Your a louse.
>> Fred explained how he sometimes uses e-collars
>> around the belly with the business end on the other
>> side of the dog -- the dog's back -- to teach the sit.
Like I said, Fraud Die is awful helpful. How much
progress did you actually make with Buck and Fraud Die?
Seems Fraud Die would gave been able to accomplish
something. Did he improve? I don't think that's what
happened.
>> The natural tendancy is to move away from the buzz,
You mean move away from the BURN.
>> so if the buzzing part is on the back
You mean the shock terminals? They don't BUZZ, they BURN.
>> the dog will move his butt down and thus away from it.
The natural tendency would be for the dog to want
to move as far away from you as is possible.
>> Cindi
CAVEAT
If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you
would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing
them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your
dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes,
shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or
punish your dog in any manner, that corrections
are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the
punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they
can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a
trainer that knows HOWE.
Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
http://www.doggydoright.com
Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
-Francis Bacon-
There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
should, please, not hit at all.
-Nietzsche-
The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are
learned qualities.
The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow to make him smarter.
The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and
timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant
corrections, and scolding.
-Jerry Howe-
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